View Full Version : Don't we just all hate Americans
tibby.dude
14-04-2006, 04:43 PM
Remember the old days when you were ashamed to carry a South African passport on you ???.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4881474.stm
Ashamed off my South African passport never. And as we all know the Brits can be the biggest A#sholes, take Tony Blair for instance, a real poefter.
bwana
14-04-2006, 05:04 PM
Don't we just all hate AmericansAllow me to return the sentiment you xenophobic @sswipe.
nocilah
14-04-2006, 05:17 PM
heh...
americans still suck though.
take Tony Blair for instance, a real poefter.
Clearly you know something Cherie does not :D
Speak for yourself tibby. Clearly everybody forget what the Americans did for them in the past. They hate the Americans and do not even realy know why! but they want the investment and freebies! USA should send all African beggars to hell, let them suffer and die, and carry on as they did before the WWII events.
I can tell you this, if it was not for them we would have been up the creek long ago, the whole of Africa (the beggars that they are)will take whatever they can get from the Yanks, and then turnaround and insult them, but what can you expect from the primitives.
BOREDOFTELKOM
14-04-2006, 06:14 PM
If the USA didn't exsist, you would not be typing, or doing anything on MyAdsl, or anything on the internet, their would be no internet, no reson to hate telkom, and no DSTV . metaphorically speaking, SA style rocks, but only with americas guitar. Bush sounds funni;) thouugh.
nocilah
14-04-2006, 06:18 PM
i must admit i dont treasure america as a nation... their foreign policy is shady, there internal policies are shady. however their techonlogy is great.
if i dont need to live with or speak to them i am happy. they have their land and we have ours...
and you gotta admit... usa are turning into global bullies hence their bad treatment. they can only blame their leader.
Silent_Bob
14-04-2006, 06:39 PM
If the USA didn't exsist, you would not be typing, or doing anything on MyAdsl, or anything on the internet, their would be no internet, no reson to hate telkom, and no DSTV . metaphorically speaking, SA style rocks, but only with americas guitar. Bush sounds funni;) thouugh.
my friend, one way or another we would have all those things, they might be different, better or worse, maybe developed quicker or slower.
but in the end, people all over the world still have ideas and initiative
BOREDOFTELKOM
14-04-2006, 06:41 PM
The thing i hate abut the USA is that they should look and take care of themselves, and only help in NATURAL disasters like floods, JAPAN is the worlds second richest nation and they only help in time of natural disasters, WTF up wit the US for them to think they govern the world, greatest nation ever, but should leave others to themselves. Bush has to stay in his bush and protect it from animals, but not protect other bushes from them selves, this is the way of the universe IMO, if the Islamic way of life is such, and +90% of people in their countries are Muslims(or not introduced to any other religion), he should only protect his own people and allow their nations to be open to Optimism, any further influence is interfering with nonsensical righteousness which they have political right over. SA my #1, Japan my #2, USA #3 of my favorite nations
BOREDOFTELKOM
14-04-2006, 06:43 PM
"my friend, one way or another we would have all those things, they might be different, better or worse, maybe developed quicker or slower.
but in the end, people all over the world still have ideas and initiative"
, no my childrens, childrens,[10 mins later] , children would only have those things
PearlJam
14-04-2006, 07:02 PM
Remember as with any other country you get guys that you won't like and guys you would. The americans were definately not the only nation with inventions.
... americas guitar. Bush sounds funni;) thouugh.
America's guitar??? I don't think so, the guitar has been around a looongggg time, see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar)
nivek
14-04-2006, 07:17 PM
BOREDOFTELKOM... U say that as if its so simple.. America minding its own business... No one was saying that 6 or so years ago when they were getting rid of Milosovic.. Saddam was just as #@!$('d up as Milosovic.. and as for Iran, they speak for themselves.. Hell.. Can u imagine if they stood by and watched WW2 from a distance.. Everyone on this planet would be blond hair blue eye'd..
Yes they've made mistakes, they should have just put a bullet in Sadams head from a distance, and they should do the same for Ahmidjap0es... Or even a rocket in his bedroom while hes sleeping..
Bush is a dumb ass we all know that.. but the world would be a better place with proper leadership in Iran and Iraq.. hell the US can have all the oil they want for all i care, we have less psychos with nuclear weapons to worry about..
ghoti
14-04-2006, 07:19 PM
I have no problems with Americans, just their lack of control over their corporations...which is why we have George Bush....
But blatant "I hate americans" attitude shows a massive lack of intelligence, and likely travel, as well as an easly propogandanized mind.
nocilah
14-04-2006, 08:13 PM
BOREDOFTELKOM... U say that as if its so simple.. America minding its own business... No one was saying that 6 or so years ago when they were getting rid of Milosovic.. Saddam was just as #@!$('d up as Milosovic.. and as for Iran, they speak for themselves.. Hell.. Can u imagine if they stood by and watched WW2 from a distance.. Everyone on this planet would be blond hair blue eye'd..
Yes they've made mistakes, they should have just put a bullet in Sadams head from a distance, and they should do the same for Ahmidjap0es... Or even a rocket in his bedroom while hes sleeping..
Bush is a dumb ass we all know that.. but the world would be a better place with proper leadership in Iran and Iraq.. hell the US can have all the oil they want for all i care, we have less psychos with nuclear weapons to worry about..
IRAN have NEVER attacked a country outside it's border. AMERICA has ATTACKED MANY countries. comprehendo?
my friend, one way or another we would have all those things, they might be different, better or worse, maybe developed quicker or slower.
but in the end, people all over the world still have ideas and initiative
I do not agree, South Africa would still be the way Columbus found them
I do not agree, South Africa would still be the way Columbus found them
Columbus discovered Africa??
nivek
14-04-2006, 08:19 PM
nah halicon, but they have a big mouth president who continuously threatens to wipe whole countries off the map
"Since his election as the president of Iran, Ahmadinejad has been a controversial figure. He has been subject to various allegations such as election fraud, alleged involvement in the Iran Hostage Crisis, assassinations of Kurdish politicians in Austria, support of or engagement in terrorist activities, and Holocaust denial."
IRAN have NEVER attacked a country outside it's border. AMERICA has ATTACKED MANY countries. comprehendo?
No not because they maybe do not have the power but they support terrorists to do their dirty work. They even intimidate their own PPL like Fidel Castro. They are the Arab version of the savage or native in the mideast.
Just pray they do not get success to produce a nuke as then every terrorist group will have one too!
Columbus discovered Africa??
just read the post again
just read the post again
I did ... still not sure what you're getting at though.
Don't we just all hate Americansnope, not at all
nocilah
14-04-2006, 09:46 PM
No not because they maybe do not have the power but they support terrorists to do their dirty work. They even intimidate their own PPL like Fidel Castro. They are the Arab version of the savage or native in the mideast.
Just pray they do not get success to produce a nuke as then every terrorist group will have one too!
there are no terrorists... unless you really believe osama bin laden really orchestrated the attacks on 9/11.
give me 100% proof this man did it.
BOREDOFTELKOM
14-04-2006, 09:48 PM
nivek, you have misunderstood me, i agree with you, but america should mind it's own business is what i ment.
but the world would be a better place with proper leadership in Iran and Iraq. True, but this is not USA's responsibility. Ahmadinejad should not have the right to the west's intelectual property, if the nations who developed the tecnology don't want it in the hands of the "new hitler"(what he calls himself) or the guy who says that Israel should be wiped off the map(nuked), (Idiot) . I going to buy gold shares like Gold fields or Harmony, and bank the evil in the world, cause when the US or blair gets a uppity and wants war the oil is gonna fly, Ahmadinejad is a crazy illogical bighead IMO
ettubrute
14-04-2006, 09:52 PM
If the USA didn't exsist, you would not be typing, or doing anything on MyAdsl, or anything on the internet, their would be no internet, no reson to hate telkom, and no DSTV . metaphorically speaking, SA style rocks, but only with americas guitar. Bush sounds funni;) thouugh.
Sorry to burst this bubble of incorrect belief! The "internet" was developed outside the USA, with the first successful tests achieved between universities in England and Scandinavia! The reason why everybody thinks it is an American achievement, is that it was done for the Pentagon...
Most Americans I've met personally have been very decent people. Intelligence, eloquent, etc.
bwana
14-04-2006, 10:08 PM
Sorry to burst this bubble of incorrect belief! The "internet" was developed outside the USA, with the first successful tests achieved between universities in England and Scandinavia! The reason why everybody thinks it is an American achievement, is that it was done for the Pentagon...
The first TCP/IP wide area network was operational by January 1, 1983 (this is technically the birth of the Internet), when the United States' National Science Foundation (NSF) constructed a university network backbone that would later become the NSFNet. It was then followed by the opening of the network to commercial interests in 1995. Important separate networks that offered gateways into, then later merged into the Internet include Usenet, Bitnet and the various commercial and educational X.25 networks such as Compuserve and JANET. The ability of TCP/IP to work over these pre-existing communication networks allowed for a great ease of growth. Use of Internet as a phrase to describe a single global TCP/IP network originated around this time. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet)Debatable?
ettubrute
14-04-2006, 10:13 PM
Ok, I'll have to find it again... Did the research way back in 1995, and found it somewhere on the internet. Seems Wikipedia can be wrong as well! :p
Give me a couple of hours... ;)
Sorry to burst this bubble of incorrect belief! The "internet" was developed outside the USA, with the first successful tests achieved between universities in England and Scandinavia! The reason why everybody thinks it is an American achievement, is that it was done for the Pentagon...
@ettu: Do you have any references for this, because all my books make references to DARPA funding an R&D project to create an experimental packet switched network in 1969 and then nothing until administration of the ARPANET was handed over to the DCA in 1975.
bwana
14-04-2006, 10:18 PM
Ok, I'll have to find it again... Did the research way back in 1995, and found it somewhere on the internet. Seems Wikipedia can be wrong as well! :p
Give me a couple of hours... ;)Could simply be a matter of semantics. :)
ettubrute
14-04-2006, 10:29 PM
Ok, haven't found my original source, but it seems it was more a question of "parallel development".
In late 1966 Roberts went to DARPA to develop the computer network concept and quickly put together his plan for the "ARPANET", publishing it in 1967. At the conference where he presented the paper, there was also a paper on a packet network concept from the UK by Donald Davies and Roger Scantlebury of NPL. Scantlebury told Roberts about the NPL work as well as that of Paul Baran and others at RAND. The RAND group had written a paper on packet switching networks for secure voice in the military in 1964. It happened that the work at MIT (1961-1967), at RAND (1962-1965), and at NPL (1964-1967) had all proceeded in parallel without any of the researchers knowing about the other work. The word "packet" was adopted from the work at NPL and the proposed line speed to be used in the ARPANET design was upgraded from 2.4 kbps to 50 kbps. (http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/brief.shtml)
But it doesn't say when the UK variant went live... will search further! ;)
ettubrute
14-04-2006, 10:44 PM
It really seems to be a parallel development, and even parallel testing! The networks seemed to have gone up both in the USA and the UK in 1968... but, while the USA started with 50Kbps connection which was later upgraded to 64Kbps, UK had 768Kbps! Thus, UK rulez! :p
The implementation of Packet Switching into a real network developed in parallel in the US and in the UK. In 1968, two network projects were started: in the US it was started under the auspices of the Advanced Research Networks Agency (ARPA), so that the project was called Arpanet, under the leadership of Larry Roberts - the Director of the relevant office. In the UK it was started at the National Physical Laboratory under its then Laboratory Superintendent Donald Davies and called the NPL Network. The NPL network was comparatively modest in scale, with only a few nodes inside NPL, but with a speed of 768 Kbps. In the US, a much more expensive wide-area network project was mounted. By the end of 1970, it connected around 20 sites, and had two cross-country telephone lines. Its lines were run at 64 Kbps.
The third ingredient for the international extension of the Arpanet was a quite separate development. In 1966, ARPA had established a set of three seismic arrays: in Alaska, Montana and Norway. The last, called the NORSAR array, was at Kjeller, near Oslo. A formal bilateral treaty had established this array and the corresponding collaboration with the US. The arrays were operated for ARPA under the auspices of their Nuclear Monitoring Research Office (NMRO). By 1970, there was a communications link at 9.6 Kbps between Washington and NORSAR. Because of the transatlantic technology of the time, this channel went by Satellite to the UK; in London it was connected onto to a cable to Kjeller. (http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/jon/arpa/internet-history.html)
The second paragraph is where my reference to Scandinavia comes from... ;)
kingmonty
14-04-2006, 11:40 PM
Good work ettu`.
Certainly would be a worthy correction to wikipedia.
bwana
15-04-2006, 12:10 AM
Yeah - what's the procedure for submitting an addition to wikipedia?
Thanks ettu, much appreciated.
What a silly thread, It's like me saying I hate all blacks because they believe in ancestor worship and uses muti made from people. eish...
bwana
15-04-2006, 10:03 AM
What a silly thread, It's like me saying I hate all blacks because they believe in ancestor worship and uses muti made from people. eish...Just tibby being hypocritical. If you said something like that he'd be all up in arms.
kingmonty
15-04-2006, 10:33 AM
Changes to wikipedia... here's a help guide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia
nocilah
15-04-2006, 12:48 PM
However she adds: "Bush is our leader and I respect that. It's a bit like the way you feel about your father. You don't always agree with him, but you would defend him."
thats is why americans are disliked.
they're creating alot of angry people in the middle east and around the world. the petrol price going up. if american people can equate their president to their father then you know you have a new hitler on the horizon.
i dont like americans and american leadership as much as i dont like our very own goverment. they both exhibit the same qualifications for bumbling stupidity in their actions. and if we think no one or anything else can be better then america then we are simple minded and elude to them being saviour of earth when they are not anymore.
in reality they are the new millenium terrorists.
.....in reality they are the new millenium terrorists.
Typical South African rhetoric!
bwana
15-04-2006, 01:55 PM
Typical South African rhetoric!lol. I think SA's got a lot more to worry about than the typical American does.
Hate america and americans as much as you like - just make sure to keep spending all that aid money.
tibby.dude
15-04-2006, 02:43 PM
Allow me to return the sentiment you xenophobic @sswipe.
It was a rhetorical question I posed Yank to invite discussion around the BBC article.
While I loath some aspects of your culture and the present govt and leadership it is rather silly to say that you hate everybody that comes from a certain geographic location.
I just hate all Americans who voted for George Bush :D.
Here are some good Americans though ;).
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
damngirl
15-04-2006, 03:09 PM
The main reason why I hate Americans is that they have AFFORDABLE, AVAILABLE, HIGH-SPEED, UNLIMITED/UNCAPPED internet access....
Well personally I think GW did good things in the begining, I woulda voted for him if I was American, (seeing as I'm conservative) these day's he's policy's arent clear anymore but lets face it he's a much better choice than John Kerry the flip-flop machine.
bwana
15-04-2006, 03:15 PM
It was a rhetorical question I posed Yank to invite discussion around the BBC article.
While I loath some aspects of your culture and the present govt and leadership it is rather silly to say that you hate everybody that comes from a certain geographic location.
I just hate all Americans who voted for George Bush :D.
Here are some good Americans though ;).
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/Do really think I care what about what you believe?
BTW - That was a rhetorical question. You can tell it was because it implied its own answer (and it ended with a question mark).
tibby.dude
15-04-2006, 03:16 PM
The main reason why I hate Americans is that they have AFFORDABLE, AVAILABLE, HIGH-SPEED, UNLIMITED/UNCAPPED internet access....
Not everybody in the US has this ... some people are still stuck on 56K dialup or if they are very lucky capped satellite.
Not everybody in the US has this ... some people are still stuck on 56K dialup or if they are very lucky capped satellite.yes, but iirc, you can get service plans in the us where you don't pay anything for local calls, making a dial-up connection to a local pop number not such a bad deal ;)
bwana
15-04-2006, 03:33 PM
yes, but iirc, you can get service plans in the us where you don't pay anything for local calls, making a dial-up connection to a local pop number not such a bad deal ;)I'd gladly take free local calls as an option to access the internet.
nivek
15-04-2006, 06:38 PM
hey hey
the good news is nobody hates south africa... we're an international joke..when you need some light relief read some south african news.. you're sure to find some amusing stunt by one of the monkeys running our country
I was talking to a friend of mine in the US and joked that I was going to send him some hot south african girl in return for a favour i needed from him.. he told me nah, we can keep our hiv infected women.. I told him not to worry, he only needs to take a shower after sleeping with her, he laughed and said he knows.. point being every retarded comment our politicians make, they're heard all over the world..
The same friend was complaining about the 50$ he pays for his 8MB connection because Japan and Sweden have cheaper broadband.. I told him we pay 86$ for a 192K connection with a 3GB cap, and it cant be compared to Iraq.. .he told me i dont need to convince him we suck :P
Anyway.. This country is a joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.. so u can hate americans as much as u like, while we hating, they're laughing.
Nivek ,its not ”us” the citizens they are laughing at, it’s the stupid gvt freak show.
nivek
15-04-2006, 06:56 PM
unfortunately they're the face of our country, the ones we (majority) elected, and the ones making decisions for us..
unfortunately they're the face of our country, the ones we (majority) elected, and the ones making decisions for us..
Ja boet,its a "hokken shame":)
nivek
15-04-2006, 07:23 PM
oh well.. atleast Bush aint our president.. imagine trying to invade a country with our army :/