View Full Version : 229-7. Proteas struggling again...
hj2k_x
15-04-2006, 04:08 PM
With a run rate of under three, we are hardly setting the world alight again.
Another whitewash imminant?? :(
hj2k_x
15-04-2006, 04:17 PM
Make that 233-8. Pollock out. Will we even bat out the day??
hj2k_x
15-04-2006, 04:42 PM
Finishing at 4 30 due to early start...So only two more overs. I think we might make it :)
Fcucking dead beats, no captain, no plan, only talent with little brains at that
hj2k_x
15-04-2006, 05:05 PM
At least we batted out the day...
nivek
15-04-2006, 06:30 PM
Gibbs needs a new job..
maybe drug dealing..
hj2k_x
15-04-2006, 06:31 PM
LOL. How many games are there int his series? Cant see us winning any of them...Not the tests at least :(
Gibbs needs a new job..
maybe drug dealing..
Come on,give the man a 'hand":D :D
mancombseepgood
15-04-2006, 06:57 PM
Give em a little break guys... Vittori is not that bad and the pitch may have something in it for the bowlers.. let's have our fielding session first. The captain thingy is an issue in my mind however.... funny how the most vocal in our country couldn't stop ripping Hansie off when he has had the best record of any post sanctions captains (by far).
hj2k_x
15-04-2006, 06:58 PM
Give em a little break guys... Vittori is not that bad and the pitch may have something in it for the bowlers.. let's have our fielding session first. The captain thingy is an issue in my mind however.... funny how the most vocal in our country couldn't stop ripping Hansie off when he has had the best record of any post sanctions captains (by far).
Hansie is and was a hero.
I still say he was innocent!! :)
Highflyer_GP
15-04-2006, 06:59 PM
Give em a little break guys... Vittori is not that bad and the pitch may have something in it for the bowlers.. let's have our fielding session first. The captain thingy is an issue in my mind however.... funny how the most vocal in our country couldn't stop ripping Hansie off when he has had the best record of any post sanctions captains (by far).
true and you can only fix a match to lose, fixing a match to win would require consent from the opposing captain, also making him guilty. hansie was the best not only in SA cricket but also in world cricket
Hansie admitted to matchfixing, he confessed. So there's no argument for his innocence.
Highflyer_GP
15-04-2006, 09:28 PM
Hansie admitted to matchfixing, he confessed. So there's no argument for his innocence.
there's no denying his match fixing allegations, he was guilty. point im trying to make is that he was a successful captain, his win:loss ratio was unrivalled. imagine how many more we could have won had he not been involved in that. point being that one can easily fix a match to lose, all you do is play crap. but to fix a match to win would require the opposing captain to agree to lose which makes him guilty as well
Yeah, that's why they always fix it to lose :P Duh.
mccrack
16-04-2006, 12:57 AM
Didn't watch much of the cricket today, the current team is questioning my support of the game, the only thing that i'm looking forward too is seeing how Steyn bowls tomorrow, that about it, other than that, i hope they get beaten so we might get a Management & Team reshuffle.
hj2k_x
16-04-2006, 10:37 AM
Hansie admitted to matchfixing, he confessed. So there's no argument for his innocence.
point that i am trying to make is that he was a hero! A lot of things lead up to this alleged match-fixing. Its not as cut and dried as one would think..
hj2k_x
16-04-2006, 10:39 AM
NZ 18/2 . Maybe 276 was not such a bad score after all. Only time will tell...
Hansie Cronje was a thinking adaptive captain and game player. Together with Donald and De Villiers they could suddenly create a breakthrough and clinch a match against all odds. Smith is just waiting for something to happen, he is still waiting since the Austr-allien defeats and would wait forever. He do not know when and what attact is or when to buy time batting. His evil ways is transferred to the other batsmen. All practically out on the first day of a five day test for the umpteenth time, does he know test cricket at all or was he just a one dayer fluke?
Highflyer_GP
16-04-2006, 04:19 PM
wtf is up with our backup bowlers :confused: we cant always rely on ntini to take wickets, its not fair on him. today once again he's the pick of the bowlers
wtf is up with our backup bowlers :confused: we cant always rely on ntini to take wickets, its not fair on him. today once again he's the pick of the bowlers
Again we cannot clean the tail 96/6 and now 316/8 what a joke! Lack of intelegent bowling we need Fanie, Donald and Pat Symcox back, or someones with their capabilities!
hj2k_x
16-04-2006, 06:59 PM
Again we cannot clean the tail 96/6 and now 316/8 what a joke! Lack of intelegent bowling we need Fanie, Donald and Pat Symcox back, or someones with their capabilities!
Agreed. I was just getting ready to eat humble pie at 96/6, but we all saw what happened then. Still, a 50 run lead is not the end of the world. Fingers crossed ey guys?
hj2k_x
17-04-2006, 12:14 PM
69/3...
Me thinks that if Kallis gets going and stays in then we are in with a chance at least...
Chris
17-04-2006, 02:18 PM
Well since Kallis has gone out a few overs ago, we don't have any hope anymore :(. The South African team blocks far too much (look at all the strike-rates) and therefore they get themselves in trouble all the time. They must be attacking like Oram and Vettori were yesterday in order to build a big partnership.
148/5 - 97 run lead.
226 run lead, with only Steyn and Ntini left. Not great, but didn't see any of it. Was the pitch doing anything?
Smith, Gibbs and Dippenaar don't deserve their places in the team, though in Prince and de Villiers I think there is something to work with.
Can't have only one bowler however.
hj2k_x
17-04-2006, 06:18 PM
At least we got a lead of more than 200, so we have given ourselves a chance.
The pitch was crazy. Keeping low one minute and really high the next. lot of movement off the seam as well. Very difficult batting pitch really...
Highflyer_GP
17-04-2006, 06:23 PM
...which is odd for centurion because its normally a flat hard pitch, batsmen paradise much like the wanderers. unless there's a growing trend towards preparing bowling pitches for test matches so that theres more results and less draws. if thats the case then im in favour of it, preparing a batsmen pitch would make SA go into defensive mode and try to draw matches instead of trying to win.
hj2k_x
17-04-2006, 06:32 PM
I am in favour of it as well. I dont see the point of playing five days of cricket, only for it to end in a draw...
hj2k_x
18-04-2006, 12:21 PM
Kiwis 34/6. Wow, we might just pull this one off!
Juggy
18-04-2006, 12:32 PM
Yip, look spretty good from where I'm sitting.
O ye of little faith;)
killadoob
18-04-2006, 12:44 PM
if we loose now we must call it a day for 5 dayers
Kiwis 34/6. Wow, we might just pull this one off!
Do not be to sure, we they were 96/6 1st innings and got 318? Now suddenly (x for 7 Vetori is still there as well as "fair light", play it as we please Umpires and the incredible "nature" rain rain rain? still to come!
PS I think Mayhem. ag I mean Graham. read my previous post's as he attacked for a change, but he read nothing about clearing the Fcucking tail!
mccrack
18-04-2006, 06:54 PM
Off hand, and i'll dig the stats later, Paul Adams was one of our better bowlers for clearing out the tail. Mind you, Paul Adams wasn't that bad a bowler.
Played 45 Tests, took 134 wickets @ an average of 32.....
Boje has played 39, took 95 wickets @ an average of 39....
Somebody can correct me but i think his fall came after an injury which meant he couldn't bowl his "wrong'un" .
Anyway, i'm glad Steyn has bowled nicely this test match, hopefully he only improves as we desperately need a bowler who can swing the ball through the air and off the pitch @ pace.
Onto the batting, 2 more failures for Mr. Gibbs & Mr. Smiff.
The pressure must be on Gibbs as there is already lots of speculation in the media about Gibbs only being reserved for 1 day cricket and Gibbs needing too take a "break". Nothing substantial on the UCB's golden boy Smiff yet.
Anyway, i'm glad Steyn has bowled nicely this test match, hopefully he only improves as we desperately need a bowler who can swing the ball through the air and off the pitch @ pace. .
Somebody said on the TV today we do not need performers we need Class! How true!
As for above I hope Dale become our next banker as we need Donald speed, We need the Fanie De Villiers capabilities (to work someone out) and we need another PAT Symcox! High flyer's! Where are they? Then in the Batsmen? They must please stop trying to perform and show class! we need consistent performers that can read the game and know when to do what!
hj2k_x
18-04-2006, 07:53 PM
Off hand, and i'll dig the stats later, Paul Adams was one of our better bowlers for clearing out the tail. Mind you, Paul Adams wasn't that bad a bowler.
Played 45 Tests, took 134 wickets @ an average of 32.....
Boje has played 39, took 95 wickets @ an average of 39....
Somebody can correct me but i think his fall came after an injury which meant he couldn't bowl his "wrong'un" .
Anyway, i'm glad Steyn has bowled nicely this test match, hopefully he only improves as we desperately need a bowler who can swing the ball through the air and off the pitch @ pace.
Onto the batting, 2 more failures for Mr. Gibbs & Mr. Smiff.
The pressure must be on Gibbs as there is already lots of speculation in the media about Gibbs only being reserved for 1 day cricket and Gibbs needing too take a "break". Nothing substantial on the UCB's golden boy Smiff yet.
Yeah steyn does look a good prospect.
Gibbs has forgotten what to do when the bat is in his hands. He really does look lost at times. And we all know what we think of Mr Smith....:p
As for adams, he was not a bad bowler at all. Seriously underrated after being overhyped due to his action at the start of his carreer.
Maybe if they'd brought on boje today we would have got some play in the gloom...Oh well. I say an hour of play is all we need tomorrow to erm, wrap up the tail :)
and we need another PAT Symcox!
No, we need a spinner.
Maybe Tshabalala will be the business, but he's only 21.
mccrack
18-04-2006, 08:54 PM
Tshabalala is a conventional offspinner is he not?
You cant tell me there isn't one kid bowling wrist spin @ even school level that can be identified for the future, something is wrong with the youth management.
Don't know if there are the coaches to bring them through. Not exactly a lot of past SA wrist-spinning greats milling about.
But, yes, there's got to be at least one brat bending it like Beckham on some green mat somewhere.
stepper
19-04-2006, 09:34 AM
Finally a test win after almost a year since beating the West Indies last year.
hj2k_x
19-04-2006, 09:37 AM
:) excellent. Despite the terrible pitch, this at least restores some faith in the proteas...
derekc
19-04-2006, 11:38 AM
Finally a test win after almost a year since beating the West Indies last year.
has it been so long?
Think prince should be dropped despite we won the game. Amla or Mckenzie should be a good replacement.
Highflyer_GP
19-04-2006, 03:57 PM
personally i think dipenaar should be booted. he has no place in the team because he hinders any gameplan with his slow batting. the only thing he may be useful for is drawing a game. at least prince is still an excellent fielder and he runs well between wickets.
mccrack
19-04-2006, 04:01 PM
But Prince cant throw.
A shoulder injury he suffered saw too that.
Gibbs and Prince should be given a "break". Bring in Amla & Duminy, give the team a fresh young look.
I hope Steyn continues to bowl well, i'd rather see Steyn in there than Nel until he ups his bowling game and downs his verbal game.
Anyway, nice win for the Proteas, albeit against a lowly NZ.
@dog, you the same dog from the Supercricket MSG Board?
derekc
19-04-2006, 04:04 PM
I disagree with ur point highflyer. Dippennaar did well in the centurion test, at least in the first innings with 52 whilst everyone else did crap. Prince and Rudolph don't have the technique for the better teams. their averages were mostly boosted by the likes of Bangladesh, Zim and West Indies. I'm been cautious about Amla. He also has dodgy technique but better than seen prince and rudolph playing so defensively all the time.
Nevertheless a win is a win. We should look to be more positive but choose to play the right balls. The top 5 should relook at the approach to batting and adjust to the pitch. Not just think we should play positive and flash at eveything.
Highflyer_GP
19-04-2006, 04:14 PM
ok here's something we can all agree with, strip blabbermouth smith of the captaincy if this series isn't won :p
killadoob
19-04-2006, 04:14 PM
get rid of dippenaaar slow slow batsmen
he is the reason we cant play test match cricket
negativity
rather look to score at 3 an over or dont bother playing the damn game
dippenaar loves his scores of 52 off 212 balls
get him out along with that mofo nel
staring ppl down every single ball aint gonna get you wickets buddy
mccrack
19-04-2006, 04:14 PM
I'm yet to see the "Brave New Cricket" they spoke about .....
I'm not sure about Dipps, i think he and Kallis provide "stability" in the Top Order.
Unfortunately the faster scoring chaps like Smiff, Gibbs & AB (until last knock) have been getting out cheaply.
I think we need someone like Duminy who can rotate the strike in the middle ala Jonty without taking too many risks.
Lots to think about.
I see the next game is on the 27th ..... sheesh, what a long wait.
krycor
19-04-2006, 04:16 PM
oh we won, didn't watch it cause it looked boring.
derekc
19-04-2006, 04:19 PM
yeah need someone to rotate strike more often. U always need a mix of players in the team. Rocks like kallis and boeta are important for the team. I'm also worried about the bowling. Without Ntini we are really kuk...
killadoob
19-04-2006, 04:21 PM
ok that is very true mccrack im prolly still mad with his slow one day game :)
gibbs needs a break leave him outta the next game
fire smith and if he still cannot contribute boot him back to band camp
o yes and make boucher president :) cause he seriously rocks
mccrack
19-04-2006, 04:23 PM
o yes and make boucher president :) cause he seriously rocks
hehe
Would Bouch even want the captaincy?
Not many ppl in the current squad that stands out as captain material......
derekc
19-04-2006, 04:25 PM
thought kallis did really well as captain again aus...but yeah there is no other captain material in SA team right now. Maybe Gibbs...hmm...hmm...maybe not.
Highflyer_GP
19-04-2006, 04:26 PM
was interesting to watch extra cover last night on mnet, smith by his own admission said that there's some serious problems with their test game which they still looking at. our one day game isn't in such a mess as our test game is, the two ODI games we lost against the aussies were close and could have went either way. plus we moved up the rankings to 2nd. in tests we sitting quite low in the rankings
personally i think kallis makes a good captain, did a good job against aus in the final test
derekc
19-04-2006, 04:30 PM
was interesting to watch extra cover last night on mnet, smith by his own admission said that there's some serious problems with their test game which they still looking at. our one day game isn't in such a mess as our test game is, the two ODI games we lost against the aussies were close and could have went either way. plus we moved up the rankings to 2nd. in tests we sitting quite low in the rankings
personally i think kallis makes a good captain, did a good job against aus in the final test
well Smith doesn't need to admit it. We all know the test team is poor. They also know we know they suck. I think Smith will become a good captain one day if he thinks less like an idiot and grow up. He also needs a decent team to captain.
Any views on the current coach?
killadoob
19-04-2006, 04:34 PM
coach is fine everyone blames the coaches
if players dont perform why blame anyone but them
playing and being a great test nation is simple
play like aussies
play it like its a one day game
look to go after the bowling
look to scores fast
as far as im concerned this block block thing we like to do is loosing us tests anyhow
so try a more positive approach
there is no problem with our one day team we could have beaten the aussies in all 5 games
i mean any team who can better 434 must be awesome
any team who cant defend 434 dont deserve to be number 1
take that you aussie suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i hate the aussies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mccrack
19-04-2006, 04:35 PM
Mickey Mouse .....
uuuhm, ja ........ i think we were doing well under Jennings .......
i'll leave it @ that.
EDIT: lol @ killadoob.
The coach plays a big part off the field.
ie. correcting smith's tendancy to get out LBW to the inswinging ball.
He continues to be plagued, surely it's the coaches job to get this sorted out?
Gibbs, very often getting bowled, there is another technical weakness.
But at the end of the day, it's not all the coaches fault if the players dont want to change their style of play.
EDIT2: I've found the Poms to annoy me more, the Aussies can be arrogant, they are the best.
They Poms blow their horns after every victory.....
dominic
19-04-2006, 04:38 PM
well Smith doesn't need to admit it. We all know the test team is poor. They also know we know they suck. I think Smith will become a good captain one day if he thinks less like an idiot and grow up. He also needs a decent team to captain.
Any views on the current coach?we seem to do better under an authoritarian - really at this level more about motivation and mental strength than technique which all the players seem to have specific mentors for - recall how jimmy cook apparently sorted smith's balance out
i also think smiff could be okay as captain (and nobody else is putting their hand up so....) but he has a lot of growing up to do.....seems really uptight and takes himself far too seriously
mccrack
Never been to the supercricket board, can't log in to the supersport site.
The coach plays a big part off the field.
ie. correcting smith's tendancy to get out LBW to the inswinging ball.
He continues to be plagued, surely it's the coaches job to get this sorted out?
Gibbs, very often getting bowled, there is another technical weakness.
Definitely.
EDIT2: I've found the Poms to annoy me more, the Aussies can be arrogant, they are the best.
They Poms blow their horns after every victory.....
No one is more irritating than the English.
get rid of dippenaaar slow slow batsmen
he is the reason we cant play test match cricket
negativity
rather look to score at 3 an over or dont bother playing the damn game
dippenaar loves his scores of 52 off 212 balls
get him out along with that mofo nel
staring ppl down every single ball aint gonna get you wickets buddy
Bring him in number 6 to 8 to try to save the game when all is lost for a win anyway