R500 speed fine now a R50 000 penalty ( not April Fools joke )

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http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/industry-news/r500-speed-fine-now-a-r50-000-penalty-1.1269421

A Bryanston woman who paid only R250 of a R500 speeding fine has now been hit with a R50 000 penalty by Aarto, the Administrative Adjudication of Road Traffic Offences Act.

Wendy Alberts, CEO of the Restaurant Association of SA, racked up three speeding fines in three days last September.

“All of them were at the corner of Ballyclare and William Nichol on September 17, 18 and 19,” she said.

Her fines reached her by ordinary post only in January, and she paid them immediately. Because she had received the fines late, she decided to pay the 50 percent reduced amount offered for payment within 32 days, and paid R250 for each of the three R500 fines.

“I then received a letter from Aarto informing me that the fines were outstanding, so I phoned them and faxed them through the proof that they had been paid. They then told me that I needed to send in representation forms to them by registered mail explaining that I had paid the fines as soon as I had received them. And so I did that,” Alberts said.

ENFORCEMENT ORDER

But on Monday she received an Aarto 09 Result of Representation notice informing her that her representation on the first of the three fines had been rejected and she was now required to pay a penalty of R50 000 within 32 days.

Her only alternative, according to the result notice, is to complete an Aarto 10 form electing to be tried in court, and send this to Aarto and the Johannesburg metro police department, once again by registered mail.

The warning states: “If you fail to comply with this notification, an Enforcement Order will be issued, whereafter you will become liable to pay the penalty and the fees for the Courtesy Letter (if applicable) to the Agency.”

“So I called up Aarto immediately to ask if it was a misprint or they maybe had put in an extra digit on the penalty. But they said no, it was a correct and real penalty, and that I could not come in and see them. And if I wrote to them again for representation it would just be increased,” Alberts said, adding that she was now facing arrest for not paying the R50 000.

“I figured I could stand on a street corner and hope for about R2000 a day to get the money in time, but I don’t think I’d get that. So now I have no option but to wait and see what happens. I’m also probably going to get another two R50 000 penalties arriving tomorrow because I sent all three representations through at the same time,” she said.

“YOU DO DRIVE A BMW”

When Alberts asked the JMPD how the penalty amount of R50 000 had been decided, she was told that rejected representation notices were decided individually, and hers was in all likelihood set high because “you do drive a BMW”.

“I’m single and I have two small children, so there are severe consequences if I’m arrested. What will happen if I get pulled over at a roadblock with my kids in the car, and they decide to arrest me for outstanding fines?” Alberts asked.

Howard Dembovsky, of Justice Project SA, said Alberts should, according to the Aarto Act and regulations, have received her fine within 40 days of the alleged infringement. The JMPD was in violation of their own act in issuing her the fines in the first place.

OUTRAGEOUS PENALTIES

“And how is it that the JMPD gets to send out fines by ordinary mail, yet demand that you send them your communication by registered post?

“I can’t wait to hear the JMPD’s ‘explanation’ of this latest anomaly; there is nothing in the Aarto Act that allows them to make up their own fines which come to 100 times the legislated fine values, nor to threaten anybody with arrest for not paying their illegal fines.”

Dembovsky said he had received two more complaints of outrageous penalties.

Ashref Ismail, spokesman for the Road Traffic Management Corporation, was unable to comment on the R50 000 penalty, saying: “It just doesn’t look right.”

He referred the matter to Japh Chuwe, acting registrar for the RTMC, who said the matter would be investigated and he would be able to respond only on Tuesday - The Star

"It doesn't look right " - you're kidding surely ??!
 
“I’m single and I have two small children, so there are severe consequences if I’m arrested. What will happen if I get pulled over at a roadblock with my kids in the car, and they decide to arrest me for outstanding fines?” Alberts asked.

How nice playing the pity card. How about not speeding, you did it 3 days in a row, got caught at the same place, seems like you make a habit of breaking the law.
 
How nice playing the pity card. How about not speeding, you did it 3 days in a row, got caught at the same place, seems like you make a habit of breaking the law.

I tell you what if I had been issued with a R50 000.00 rand fine for a R500.00 fine I would also be playing the pity card. Actually I would be playing every card in my deck!!!
 
How nice playing the pity card. How about not speeding, you did it 3 days in a row, got caught at the same place, seems like you make a habit of breaking the law.

you went 11 Kmph over the speed limit, now you must pay us R50 000 :p
 
yah well pity card. But this is hypocritical from the same goverment that tells us our prisons are full and we are now going to tag them. We let out prisoners on weekend and holiday leave.
 
you went 11 Kmph over the speed limit, now you must pay us R50 000 :p

nope the fine was R500 delivered through normal post (could have ignored that supposed to be registered post)
admitted guilt on an invalid fine
decided to pay half the price, without discussing it with the metro
got called out
cry
 
How nice playing the pity card. How about not speeding, you did it 3 days in a row, got caught at the same place, seems like you make a habit of breaking the law.

Don't be stupid, a R500 fine doesn't indicate excessive speeding.
 
How nice playing the pity card. How about not speeding, you did it 3 days in a row, got caught at the same place, seems like you make a habit of breaking the law.

She paid the admission of guilt, thereby admitting she was guilty of speeding! What more could she do? Perhaps you'd like a song, a dance and a dry martini with a twist of lime?
 
nope the fine was R500 delivered through normal post (could have ignored that supposed to be registered post)
admitted guilt on an invalid fine
decided to pay half the price, without discussing it with the metro
got called out
cry

I received a fine 60 days, no crosshair and unregistered mail. *pulls out representation template*
 
nope the fine was R500 delivered through normal post (could have ignored that supposed to be registered post)
admitted guilt on an invalid fine
decided to pay half the price, without discussing it with the metro
got called out
cry

How do you equate a R500.00 fine (R250.00 fine with discount) which she paid to equate to a R50 000.00 penalty because she drives a BMW :wtf:

Seriously dude :wtf: and with that I mean :wtf:
 
nope the fine was R500 delivered through normal post (could have ignored that supposed to be registered post)
admitted guilt on an invalid fine
decided to pay half the price, without discussing it with the metro
got called out
cry
So how do you justify a R50,000 penalty which they just pulled out of their arses because she drives a BMW? Heck accused murderers and rapists pay a fraction of that for bail. At worst she should have been made to pay the full amount + maybe some interest.
 
Oh grow up I never said the 50k is fine, my problem is with her attitude of doing what she wants and then crying when it backfires.
 
Oh grow up I never said the 50k is fine, my problem is with her attitude of doing what she wants and then crying when it backfires.

Your responses in this thread suggest that you're the one who needs to grow up. Since they didn't ensure timeous delivery via registered mail, she in fact did more than she had to. So what are you talking about her doing what she wants? It's always easy to act holier than thou until you get screwed over.
 
Oh grow up I never said the 50k is fine, my problem is with her attitude of doing what she wants and then crying when it backfires.

Yes the Metro Police broke the law, and she actually didn't have to pay anything. So in fact she went above and beyond in paying the 50%, did she not? Or is it okay for them to be a law unto themselves?
 
How nice playing the pity card. How about not speeding, you did it 3 days in a row, got caught at the same place, seems like you make a habit of breaking the law.

So much sand in your vagina.
 
What a collosal waste of resources. The number of calls that had to be made and this woman has actually paid her fines.

Go pull over that rat b@stard taxi that almost ran me off the road this morning :D.
 
The reason why here in NSW (Aus) they clearly mark fixed speed cameras with warnings is that if you did it every day until your fine arrives, you have no excuse. To have an unmarked camera fining people they wouldn't know that they transgressed until weeks later, so there is no 'lesson' learnt at the spot.
This is the way civilised democracies operate.

Even so, if you don't pay then the 'State Debt Recovery Office' (no traffic department) will take statutory action, which may include suspension of licence, garnishing of salary, repossession of household good, deregistration of vehicle etc. They have power to do that which will spur you to react to the court action, heavier penalty etc.

But in no case have I heard of the fine being made 100 x more.

If you do it the right way then speed traps and penalties (inc points) have an effect.

If you go about it in a way where people no longer have respect for the law because of the stupid way it is run, then want to increase penalties 100 fold to cover your stupidity then your death rate due to speeding will not decrease.

I find it curious that on other matters everyone lays the boot into govt for not very good reason but here we have people siding with it.
Perhaps it is the BMW factor.;)
 
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