Shebeen owners to feel heat for crime

Nom Chompsky

Nom Chompsky

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Can the DA please stop this nanny state piece of legislation? :mad:

The solution to the drunk driving problem is better enforcement and education.

In the original report I read in the paper, however, this legislation would also apply to restaurants, clubs and bars.

Western Cape Finance and Economic Development MEC Alan Winde says shebeen owners must take full responsibility for their patrons’ actions.

Winde warned liquor traders they faced having their licences revoked should drunk patrons repeatedly commit crimes at or near to their establishments. This could be one of the first amendments to the recently enacted Western Cape Liquor Act.

“It is all about responsibility,” Winde said. “That trader has to be held responsible in some way. We have to investigate the possibility of adding this into future legislation. It’s happening in other countries around the world, including New Zealand.

“There is nothing currently saying that the (shebeen) owner should be held responsible. But we need to change that. We want to know where the person was served his last drink. We need some method of tracking it, if the incident took place at the outlet or not. This will be for repeat incidents at the same establishment.
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http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/shebeen-owners-to-feel-heat-for-crime-1.1291329
 
:rolleyes:

While I agree in part, this is not the right thing to do.

Placing the onus on the establishment is just not on.

Visible policing and education will go a long way to improve the situation.
 
There is some merit in the idea. But how far do you take it?

I thought that some places here had been responsibile where they gave free sodas to the designated driver. But what do they want now? The shebeen owner to do sobriety tests?
 
One problem with this is - I can tell my patrons to get sozzled, and cause problems near my competitor's shebeen - and cause my competitor to close down...
 
Almost impossible to enforce.

Some people go to multiple shebeens/bars/clubs in one night.

I can't exactly see how can determine at which club he/she had his last drink.
 
The DA are becoming bigger and bigger idiots. It doesn't really surprise me. I pegged Helen Zille as a control freak years ago.

It’s happening in other countries around the world, including New Zealand.
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That very definitely is not an endorsement.
 
Education, more education, visible policing and enforcement of existing legislation.

Attitudes toward driving drunk also need to change.
 
noxibox said:
The DA are becoming bigger and bigger idiots. It doesn't really surprise me. I pegged Helen Zille as a control freak years ago.
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There are people of the opinion that Malema is a great leader, so yeah, you're entitled to your opinion even though you are wrong. To see the true idiots you have but to look at current government and the people that vote for them.

Zille is at least doing something about crime & the effects it has on the community .. even if it doesn't carry your direct approval.
 
Maybe they should make the tik dealers responsible for their "customers" crimes/behaviour? That would accomplish more than taking club/bar/shebeen owners to task.
 
Right now I can see that it is an infringement by government. It creates too much of a burden. It is unenforceable.

But I guess that if some drunken tool had ploughed into my child I'd very much be asking how it was allowed to happen.

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
 
So by this logic gun shops should also take responsibility for their customers' actions with the guns hey DA?
 
Redeemed said:
So by this logic gun shops should also take responsibility for their customers' actions with the guns hey DA?
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Bit of a difference. There is a legal obligation for the gunshop owner not to release a firearm or ammunition unless that person presents a licence. Breaking that law has huge consequences. It is also manageable and enforceable.

And, Section 120 of the firearms control act does go on about not allowing drunk folk to handle firearms, etc.

But your point was about what happens when they step out of the store. Sure, it all falls down. Well, mostly.
 
Someone needs to start holding people accountable, currently if you catch a criminal, you have 2 options.

1) Turn them in. They wont get a trial, they won't go to jail, they will not be held accountable.
2) Whatever punishment you see fit. Shovel a hole in the backyard is probably your best bet.

Wouldn't it be nice if you could turn them into the police and they would get a trial and go to jail ? I know Zuma will still let them out so his friends can walk, but at least there's some consequences in that case.

SA needs to come up with some form of punishment for criminals. Maybe even make crime illegal *GASP*.

Grats to Helen for at least trying.
 
In the UK, do they not hold the bars accountable if people leave drunk and drive from there? Very nanny state, but sometimes if people act like kids you gotta treat them as such.
 
Nod said:
Maybe they should make the tik dealers responsible for their "customers" crimes/behaviour?
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Besides it being the same stupid idea, those producers and dealers in methamphetamine are already breaking the law, so why should they care any more about your proposal?

reactor_sa said:
In the UK, do they not hold the bars accountable if people leave drunk and drive from there? Very nanny state, but sometimes if people act like kids you gotta treat them as such.
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It wouldn't surprise me as the UK government has gone from silly to abject stupidity. There is no need for the nanny state here at all. It's quite simple. Hold the drinker responsible for their actions.

evilstebunny said:
There are people of the opinion that Malema is a great leader, so yeah, you're entitled to your opinion even though you are wrong.
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Ah, so we must hold Malema and the ANC accountable for their track record, but Zille and her clear nanny state policies get a free pass? Unfortunately, and sadly, I am completely correct about Zille and the DA. I am quite willing to point out their obvious deficiencies. That doesn't mean the DA can't be turned around and reformed into a party that truly supports freedom, but it does mean getting rid of Zille and others of her ilk.

Zille is at least doing something about crime & the effects it has on the community .. even if it doesn't carry your direct approval.
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So did Stalin I'm sure. Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons doesn't make it any less dangerous.
 
reactor_sa said:
In the UK, do they not hold the bars accountable if people leave drunk and drive from there? Very nanny state, but sometimes if people act like kids you gotta treat them as such.
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In Germany you can buy alcohol at petrol stations.. It is each individual's decision whether or not they break the law.

If people want to get drunk, that's what they're going to do.
 
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