rpm
12-05-2006, 07:25 AM
http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=2748
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zerofocus
12-05-2006, 07:55 AM
And like allways, it looks great on paper.
stoke
12-05-2006, 08:15 AM
30bn in infrastructure ...
They're going to lay cables everywhere and thereby force SNO to use their cables.
Bleugh.
And ... that 30bn is our freaking money they're spending.
They're going to lay cables everywhere and thereby force SNO to use their cables.
Bleugh.
And ... that 30bn is our freaking money they're spending.
Vice
12-05-2006, 08:19 AM
Great plans Telkom, WOW! I'm looking forward to the future as a proud South African. I'm not going to ask how much I'm going fork out for all these nice things, BUT what I want to know is "WHEN ARE THE CURRENT ADSL PRICES COMING DOWN?"
Nod
12-05-2006, 08:27 AM
It all looks very pathetic if you think about the fact that they could have done this whole excercise in 2001/2002 already. They must be really scared of loosing customers to the SNO :)
dominic
12-05-2006, 08:27 AM
anyone see any mention of the proudly south african company's commitment to universal access in there?
take a bow DoC
take a bow DoC
The_Librarian
12-05-2006, 08:59 AM
Is it a case of too little, too late?
Or maybe it's just another load of hot air and waffling?
Or maybe somebody did some sums, and somebody else made a mess in his pants, and started ordering things to be done?
Or maybe it's just another load of hot air and waffling?
Or maybe somebody did some sums, and somebody else made a mess in his pants, and started ordering things to be done?
Skip
12-05-2006, 10:04 AM
Msimango says. “If we don’t . history will judge us [to have done poorly].”
Too late.
Too late.
Skip
12-05-2006, 10:06 AM
And another quote:
Consumers may have to wait a while, though, before WiMax services are launched. Msimango says Telkom won’t be hurried. “I’m not going to rush my team to go to market if I’m not convinced it works properly,” he says.
Translation: We're going to squeeze every last Rand out of overpriced ADSL/Diginet services before we're forced to lower prices.
Consumers may have to wait a while, though, before WiMax services are launched. Msimango says Telkom won’t be hurried. “I’m not going to rush my team to go to market if I’m not convinced it works properly,” he says.
Translation: We're going to squeeze every last Rand out of overpriced ADSL/Diginet services before we're forced to lower prices.
Skip
12-05-2006, 10:08 AM
Ok Ok I'm sorry for the quoting here's another:
While consumers in the cities demand ever faster access, Telkom still has to meet the challenge of wiring up SA’s more rural areas. Here, the company has adopted a very different technology strategy. In the late 1990s, to meet its licence conditions, it built a digital enhanced cordless telecom (Dect) network. The strategy didn’t prove particularly successful, with many of its clients switching to cellphones and others simply disconnecting because they couldn’t afford to pay for the service.
So basically he's saying here that Telkom has failed their licence conditions!!! SO WHY DO THEY STILL HAVE A LICENCE!?!?!?
While consumers in the cities demand ever faster access, Telkom still has to meet the challenge of wiring up SA’s more rural areas. Here, the company has adopted a very different technology strategy. In the late 1990s, to meet its licence conditions, it built a digital enhanced cordless telecom (Dect) network. The strategy didn’t prove particularly successful, with many of its clients switching to cellphones and others simply disconnecting because they couldn’t afford to pay for the service.
So basically he's saying here that Telkom has failed their licence conditions!!! SO WHY DO THEY STILL HAVE A LICENCE!?!?!?
kingmonty
12-05-2006, 10:12 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Eskom (one of the SNO shareholders) have been putting down fiber along with power lines for probably 5 - 10 years now?
telkomsuig
12-05-2006, 10:14 AM
Well no mention of prices though...inless prices drop this investment will be one big white elephant.... the people who can afford current broadband rates are NOT in the region of their 1m target...
MFour
12-05-2006, 10:17 AM
It all reaks of a PR excersise, with a very non specific time line. It will probably take them until 2016 to even start to get it off the ground, and by that time all the technology will be outdated, and redundant. It will also clearly come at an extremely high cost (true to the typical Telkom model), looking at this quote"
The technology will be made available only where there is demand. Areas that will be served first include business districts and up-market residential areas, such as Pretoria East and Sandton, where there will be demand for media rich content.
The technology will be made available only where there is demand. Areas that will be served first include business districts and up-market residential areas, such as Pretoria East and Sandton, where there will be demand for media rich content.
Skip
12-05-2006, 10:49 AM
Areas that will be served first include business districts and up-market residential areas, such as Pretoria East and Sandton, where there will be demand for media rich content.
F$%K THE POOR!
F$%K THE POOR!
Cujo
12-05-2006, 10:51 AM
They have been busy for the last 2 months in my town with a 30M upgrade to the infrastructure. This is a fact. Its also a fact they are 2000 orders behind for ADSL, they did not expect the uptake to be so large for a relativly small town. Its a fact that they will not drop prices, because they cannot handle the workflow they have at current prices, let alone making adsl cheaper.
When i can afford adsl ill be happy, untill then ill just listen and do nothing, as all south africans do.
When i can afford adsl ill be happy, untill then ill just listen and do nothing, as all south africans do.
krycor
12-05-2006, 11:43 AM
This report is great for one reaspon only, its a nice technical plan of what they want to do. The is no comments on pricing of these services and how expensive the newer service will be & ofcause how whats happening with the international access pricing etc.
In short, it looks a way to justify costs by showing oh so new inovative expenses to provide better services. But i don't get detered.. I want cheaper prices.
In short, it looks a way to justify costs by showing oh so new inovative expenses to provide better services. But i don't get detered.. I want cheaper prices.
Sneeky
12-05-2006, 11:52 AM
If I understand correctly as well, that R30bn investment is not restricted to infrastructure only within our borders either.
emmanuel
12-05-2006, 12:27 PM
It's all reactionary and possibly too late.
icyrus
12-05-2006, 12:57 PM
Anything telkom says, along with anything any South African company says, goes into the "I'll believe it when I see it" file.
mavx
12-05-2006, 01:22 PM
Yes sure uhuh, keep talking....
LifelongGamer
12-05-2006, 01:34 PM
They have been busy for the last 2 months in my town with a 30M upgrade to the infrastructure. This is a fact. Its also a fact they are 2000 orders behind for ADSL, they did not expect the uptake to be so large for a relativly small town. Its a fact that they will not drop prices, because they cannot handle the workflow they have at current prices, let alone making adsl cheaper.
When i can afford adsl ill be happy, untill then ill just listen and do nothing, as all south africans do.
Which is yet another example of Telkom's inability to plan and actually do constructive work with any foresight. Telkom's weakness is that they've been a monopoly for so long that they cannot function like normal businesses do. The result is that us consumer suffer from slow / poor delivery, backward-thinking strategies and one empty excuse after the other.
I think this article was drafted months ago and only released now so that when the ICASA ADSL hearings take place at the end of the month, Telkom can stand back and say: "Hey, we've already begun work to improve services and provide faster access down the road". The fact that this will most likely only materialise in 5 to 10 years time doesn't need to be mentioned.
Oh and just for the record:
Telkom wants more than 1m broadband customers by 2010
Wasn't the deadline for 1 million clients first end of 2007/2008? Now it's been shifted back 2 years??
/Humour on
Don't meet your mandate / targets? No problem - just move the date back and nobody will notice. We are, afterall, on 'African Time' :D
/Humour off
When i can afford adsl ill be happy, untill then ill just listen and do nothing, as all south africans do.
Which is yet another example of Telkom's inability to plan and actually do constructive work with any foresight. Telkom's weakness is that they've been a monopoly for so long that they cannot function like normal businesses do. The result is that us consumer suffer from slow / poor delivery, backward-thinking strategies and one empty excuse after the other.
I think this article was drafted months ago and only released now so that when the ICASA ADSL hearings take place at the end of the month, Telkom can stand back and say: "Hey, we've already begun work to improve services and provide faster access down the road". The fact that this will most likely only materialise in 5 to 10 years time doesn't need to be mentioned.
Oh and just for the record:
Telkom wants more than 1m broadband customers by 2010
Wasn't the deadline for 1 million clients first end of 2007/2008? Now it's been shifted back 2 years??
/Humour on
Don't meet your mandate / targets? No problem - just move the date back and nobody will notice. We are, afterall, on 'African Time' :D
/Humour off
Peter7
12-05-2006, 01:41 PM
CHEAPER PRICING is all I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT. Too little too late for Telkom.
They can't even keep up with the current backlog of ADSL installations and they want to start offering ADSL2+ and VDSL. LOL!
Nice PR speech this, but like you already mentioned your history betrays you.
They can't even keep up with the current backlog of ADSL installations and they want to start offering ADSL2+ and VDSL. LOL!
Nice PR speech this, but like you already mentioned your history betrays you.
kilo39
12-05-2006, 03:54 PM
They have been busy for the last 2 months in my town with a 30M upgrade to the infrastructure. This is a fact. Its also a fact they are 2000 orders behind for ADSL, they did not expect the uptake to be so large for a relativly small town. Its a fact that they will not drop prices, because they cannot handle the workflow they have at current prices, let alone making adsl cheaper.
When i can afford adsl ill be happy, untill then ill just listen and do nothing, as all south africans do. Hire more techies instead of firing them all!! The fact they can't keep up has got nothing to do with their over pricing of dsl - and the line charge ripoff. An opportunity to grow massively - but telkom rather sticks it to us all - and whimpers - BooHoo - its so hard.
When i can afford adsl ill be happy, untill then ill just listen and do nothing, as all south africans do. Hire more techies instead of firing them all!! The fact they can't keep up has got nothing to do with their over pricing of dsl - and the line charge ripoff. An opportunity to grow massively - but telkom rather sticks it to us all - and whimpers - BooHoo - its so hard.
Gatecrasher
12-05-2006, 04:47 PM
The technology will be made available only where there is demand. Areas that will be served first include business districts and up-market residential areas, such as Pretoria East and Sandton, where there will be demand for media rich content.
This is one of the most ludicrous comments ever uttered. When are they going to wake up and understand that THERE IS DEMAND EVERYWHERE for media rich content. THE COUNTRY IS SCREAMING FOR IT!
What they are really saying is this:
The technology will be so expensive that only a few people will be able to afford it. Areas that will be served first include business districts and up-market residential areas, such as Pretoria East and Sandton, where there will be an adequate supply of rich people.
This is one of the most ludicrous comments ever uttered. When are they going to wake up and understand that THERE IS DEMAND EVERYWHERE for media rich content. THE COUNTRY IS SCREAMING FOR IT!
What they are really saying is this:
The technology will be so expensive that only a few people will be able to afford it. Areas that will be served first include business districts and up-market residential areas, such as Pretoria East and Sandton, where there will be an adequate supply of rich people.
LifelongGamer
12-05-2006, 05:09 PM
This is one of the most ludicrous comments ever uttered. When are they going to wake up and understand that THERE IS DEMAND EVERYWHERE for media rich content. THE COUNTRY IS SCREAMING FOR IT!
What they are really saying is this:
The technology will be so expensive that only a few people will be able to afford it. Areas that will be served first include business districts and up-market residential areas, such as Pretoria East and Sandton, where there will be an adequate supply of rich people.
That is the truth and the only logical explanation is because Telkom wants to perpetuate it's strategy to rip off as much as possible, as quickly as possible without doing too much. Hence aim at the 'soft targets' first.
If they were serious about becoming a world-class company, they wouldn't discriminate according to affluency but rather to do proper market research and highlight all areas with the demand and rollout in all of them. This way the userbase grows faster and thus provides a quicker ROI whilest effectly competing against wireless / mobile market encroachment.
What they are really saying is this:
The technology will be so expensive that only a few people will be able to afford it. Areas that will be served first include business districts and up-market residential areas, such as Pretoria East and Sandton, where there will be an adequate supply of rich people.
That is the truth and the only logical explanation is because Telkom wants to perpetuate it's strategy to rip off as much as possible, as quickly as possible without doing too much. Hence aim at the 'soft targets' first.
If they were serious about becoming a world-class company, they wouldn't discriminate according to affluency but rather to do proper market research and highlight all areas with the demand and rollout in all of them. This way the userbase grows faster and thus provides a quicker ROI whilest effectly competing against wireless / mobile market encroachment.
JStrike
12-05-2006, 06:15 PM
Interesting to read that they are going with Mobile WiMax. Last I heard, the spec hadn't even been approved yet. That bit of news is not going to make the cellphone companies happy. With Mobile WiMax, you will be able to use a wireless Skype Phone anywhere in the city
mancombseepgood
12-05-2006, 07:42 PM
“I call WiMax the revenge of the fixed-line operator,”
Wireless is revenge of the fixed line operator... duh
Wireless is revenge of the fixed line operator... duh
Gooku
12-05-2006, 07:59 PM
Give the consumer a good reason to keep a Telkom line at home
This is my advise to Telkom - I think some day Telkom may thank me for this.
Person to person communication model supersedes place to place model ,
cellphone supersedes land-line phone.
Cellphone expense now has priority over fixed-line for individule and residential customers
If the fixed line telephony is not significantly cheaper than cellphone , there is no good reason to keep the Telkom phone at home anymore.
once customer ditches the fixed line , Telkom will lose the customer for good, consumer will take the wireless path for later high-speed data requirements ,there is no need to come back to Telkom ever.
Lower the price of fixed-line telephony to keep the customers within your embrace or lose them to wireless alternatives for voice and also future data businesses
When Wimax arrives eventually there might not be enough customers left to justify the enormous investment !
:^_)
This is my advise to Telkom - I think some day Telkom may thank me for this.
Person to person communication model supersedes place to place model ,
cellphone supersedes land-line phone.
Cellphone expense now has priority over fixed-line for individule and residential customers
If the fixed line telephony is not significantly cheaper than cellphone , there is no good reason to keep the Telkom phone at home anymore.
once customer ditches the fixed line , Telkom will lose the customer for good, consumer will take the wireless path for later high-speed data requirements ,there is no need to come back to Telkom ever.
Lower the price of fixed-line telephony to keep the customers within your embrace or lose them to wireless alternatives for voice and also future data businesses
When Wimax arrives eventually there might not be enough customers left to justify the enormous investment !
:^_)
cdi
18-05-2006, 08:33 AM
R.I.P. Fixed lines
First they fired everyone
The rest they retrenched
Wonder why they need BCX
But sure they are "World Leader in Telecommunications”
LOL
First they fired everyone
The rest they retrenched
Wonder why they need BCX
But sure they are "World Leader in Telecommunications”
LOL
cdi
18-05-2006, 08:59 AM
When the ship sinks what do you do?
1 Abandon
2 Use R30B to fix it
3 Cheaper get a phone that you can use and carry around sit on the shore and watch the ship.
1 Abandon
2 Use R30B to fix it
3 Cheaper get a phone that you can use and carry around sit on the shore and watch the ship.