First links of new fibre network to be completed soon

However, the network took much longer to complete than initially planned, partly because of the lengthy wayleave approval and environmental impact approval processes.

Other issues, Vodacom explained, included “bridge rights of way (having to dig tunnels instead) and rocky soil conditions”.
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Why not be very specific and say: "SANRAL screwed us over and would not let us use their bridges and blocked us as much as they could from using the road reserve." ???
 
siraman said:
Which means what for the consumer?
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Telkom will have some competition for that 130000Km of national fibre network it has, and government's other monopoly, Broadband Infraco, will not be smiling. For us consumers it will mean national fibre competition (eventually).
 
MickeyD said:
Why not be very specific and say: "SANRAL screwed us over and would not let us use their bridges and blocked us as much as they could from using the road reserve." ???
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I don't think that they are blaming SANRAL entirely ;) According to the missus (who does these things for a living) the enviromental processes have to be followed even when the fibre paths run in existing road reserves. Every time a fibre path smells a water course, there are enviromental assesments that must be done.
 
ambo said:
I don't think that they are blaming SANRAL entirely ;) According to the missus (who does these things for a living) the enviromental processes have to be followed even when the fibre paths run in existing road reserves. Every time a fibre path smells a water course, there are enviromental assesments that must be done.
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Agreed on EIA's.

SANRAL no longer want anyone to do civil work in the road reserve. They will do it and lease it to you. Same with bridges; you can no longer mount your own pipes to the bridges...
 
MickeyD said:
Agreed on EIA's.

SANRAL no longer want anyone to do civil work in the road reserve. They will do it and lease it to you. Same with bridges; you can no longer mount your own pipes to the bridges...
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Sadly this is exactly right. SANRAL are a curse in every way possible.
 
ngadao08 said:
Which Towns will this fibre network be in?
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To start with CT, Bloem, JB/PTA and DBN... Its a national core network, but I am sure they have allowed for some sort of access network since their towers are all along the routes...

siraman said:
Which means what for the consumer?
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It means they can route national traffic on their own fibre instead of renting from Telkom and Infraco. Have to feel sorry for Neotel who were really screwed on that one (they were promised the Transnet network which was then given to Infraco). Basically they will want to recoup the investment by getting more data on their network which means more data for the same price.

MickeyD said:
Agreed on EIA's.

SANRAL no longer want anyone to do civil work in the road reserve. They will do it and lease it to you. Same with bridges; you can no longer mount your own pipes to the bridges...
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Their would be merit if SANRAL were not such a mess. Really what they should do is set up a few zones and perhaps a separate group to manage this to make sure there is some performance.

On another note if they are laying pipes surely they need an ECNS license as they are essentially providing network infrastructure?
 
Bern said:
On another note if they are laying pipes surely they need an ECNS license as they are essentially providing network infrastructure?
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No, they are providing leased pipes which are real estate. In the same way that you wouldn't need a license if you owned a building and then rented it to an operater to build an exchange/data centre inside.

Even DFA doesn't have a license (last time I checked) since they are just rent out pieces of glass that they buried in the gound. DFA's real estate only becomes network infrastructure when you connect equipment to the ends of the glass strands. DFA's customers require licenses to do that.
 
ambo said:
No, they are providing leased pipes which are real estate. In the same way that you wouldn't need a license if you owned a building and then rented it to an operater to build an exchange/data centre inside.

Even DFA doesn't have a license (last time I checked) since they are just rent out pieces of glass that they buried in the gound. DFA's real estate only becomes network infrastructure when you connect equipment to the ends of the glass strands. DFA's customers require licenses to do that.
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I thought DFA required a license for those unlit strands??? Hence ECNS not ECS license. Surely an ECS would be sufficient to then light those rented strands then? Maybe dominic can weigh in on this?
 
Bern said:
I thought DFA required a license for those unlit strands??? Hence ECNS not ECS license. Surely an ECS would be sufficient to then light those rented strands then? Maybe dominic can weigh in on this?
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DFA operated for a while without a license but have since bought both the i-ECNS & i-ECS as far as I know.

Technically their business was just facilities leasing so they could get away with it. The licensing helps with wayleaves and dealing with stubborn city councils though.
 
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icyrus said:
DFA operated for a while without a license but have since bought both the i-ECNS * i-ECS as far as I know.

Technically their business was just facilities leasing so they could get away with it. The licensing helps with wayleaves and dealing with stubborn city councils though.
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Well to monitor their infrastructure to know when and where an outage occurs on realtime they have to run some data on the lines, so although it is a bit of a grey area since they are not leasing that portion out, it would make sense to avoid issues and have the license. Alternatively they can not do active monitoring, but that would be really retarded.
 
ambo said:
Yes, but they do not require either to operate. Even if they light fibres for their internal monitoring it is still only a PECNS and does not require an i-ECNS since they are not selling an electonic communication network service.
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I agree; was just pointing out that they are licenced.... :)
 
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