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Another brainless moron, 1652 and bible quotes instead of an constitution. Yes, Lets go back to 1652 and restart the whole process then this time we can do the job properly!:D

Maybe we could claim compensation for the improvements? on the South African land? :D (Use that funds to leave!)

We will just have to wait for time travel or the evolution process!
 
Van Riebeeck's Vry Burgers

And all the land in The Eastern Cape that lies fallow now that half of the Transkei people have all moved out to find formal employment?

Sounds like a load of BS to me.
Besides that the dates are all screwed up.
1652 was the year V R arrived in The Cape of Good Hope (Cape Town) to start a Refreshment Station for the Dutch East India Company (VOC) so that ships passing by on their route to the East from Europe could stop over for much needed supplies of fresh food and water. Nothing more nothing less.
Only after the English arrived in the Cape Colony post 1795 and 1806 and the all the events that followed did the Great Trek away from the Cape start in the 1830's by the Afrikaners.
At the same time The English sent settlers to the Eastern Cape circa 1820.
It was mainly the effort of The Voortrekkers in the North and the Settlements in the Eastern Cape by The English post 1820 that resulted in big Land Grants and the subsequent commercial farming in South Africa.

The Farms that V R started during his tenure as Governor in The Cape Colony post 1652 granted to the First Vry Burgers, now lie beneath many foundations.
Those farms don't exist any more.
One would need an army of bulldozers to move all those buildings away to reclaim those old farms.

And the main reason why people were Granted Farms/Land in those days is the simple fact that the land was worth nothing and actually presented a lot of hard work for the Recipient.
Land was measured according to how much you could plough in one day. Things were very basic and the people led lives of hard labour to work those early farms.
Only now that they appear to be worth a fortune to someone without much knowledge do they now want them to be part of the farming network.
What happened before 1820 or 1652 in Africa. Nothing.
People hunted and took from nature what they needed.
This reference back to 1652 is a load of horsesh1t and one constantly hears it.
Almost as if V R made the borders of South Africa?

The only thing that will work is to appeal to the good nature of the Boers/Farmers in South Africa and hope they will participate in Co-operative farming efforts like in Renoster Rivier.
Without their knowledge and input the farms are just going to lie fallow and be wasted.
They are decent people, but don't rub them up the wrong way.
I hope the Renoster Rivier effort works not only to prove my point, but to prove that it will need the current farmers to make it work.
 
Khoi/San people are the "rightful owners".

This, he said, stated "the land must go back to the rightful owners".
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Well then that is an interesting one as Peter Moatshe clearly is not aware of the History of South Africa? He sounds like his PAC counterpart.
In 1652 at The Cape, V R and his band of merry men traded with the Khoi or the San, not sure which as they are two different segments. The San are part of the KhoiKhoi it seems.
The sad part is initially V R and later settlers traded with these people, but as time went on they marginalised them. In many instances they were shot on sight as they were probably "stealing" cattle from V R which was probably theirs to start off with? They didn't understand the white man's way of life, as theirs was a simplistic nomadic life of herding cattle and gathering what
they needed.
But the main demise of these people was not the white man and his weapons, but the diseases that the white man brought with them, mainly diseases like smallpox which was fatal to them.
But weapons alone can't account for the breathtaking speed with which the indigenous population of the New World were completely wiped out. Source

In The Western Cape the year that should be marked as the date that brought destruction to these people was the, The Smallpox Epidemic of 1713, that by February 1714 the few Khoi survivors reported to the Governor of the Cape that not even ten percent of the original Khoi population of the south-western Cape had survived the epidemic.
You can equate this one significant event to that of the USA whose Red Indians fell to a similar fate as most of them were also decimated by Smallpox and not by guns as they had no immunity to the disease.
That is the tragic facts that history tells us. The remaining Khoi and San people either "blended" into the Cape population or trekked north away from the white man and his diseases. Their descendent however few there may be left are the "rightful owners" if you would like to call it that.
Peter Moatshe can choose to believe in his own history if that pleases him, but you cannot change, alter or deny history.
History will outlive him and me, but it cannot be changed.
One can however learn from History and this is where people like him need to brush up.

Nevertheless, Land Claims can only go back as far as 1913.

pupa said:
bible quotes
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He quotes The Bible as he is the Rev Peter Moatshe.
 
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nobody ever gave me any land and I'm white. I work hard to pay my bond - it's time the "indigenous people" did the same!
 
Are they going to give the land that was taken from whites back aswell? In the 80's goverment took farms to give to the blacks. The owners did not get much in terms of compensation, at least not to continue farming somewhere else.
 
Nod said:
Are they going to give the land that was taken from whites back aswell? In the 80's government took farms to give to the blacks. The owners did not get much in terms of compensation, at least not to continue farming somewhere else.
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The Government post 1948 took a lot of land from all sorts of people.
The focus of land claims now are for Black People that were disenfranchised
from their tribal/traditional land to make way for Commercial Farming. It is these claims we see in the news.
In the Cape there is District Six, Protea just to name a few that are in question that were former coloured areas.
It is complicated, but they will get down to the bottom of it in time.

I know of a white family that tried to get their land back that was Expropriated, but to no avail. The land to this day, all 44ha still lays fallow and unused. The complexities of the case I don't know, but had that been coloured or black folk a whole different picture would have unfolded and made the news for sure?
Unless you are really passionate about a long haul in court and you have tons of money to throw at Advocates and Attorneys a land claim for white people is hopeless. Over and above the cost, the stress isn't worth it.
Fortunes are made and lost. No time to dwell on spilt milk.
 
Land reform - new mindset needed

Land reform - new mindset needed
"Land reform is not taking us anywhere," said national organiser Mangaliso Kubheki.
"We are soon going to show our anger - we are not happy with the way things are going," he said.
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1. Land Claims
2. Land Reform
3. ?????
What follows point 1 and 2 one day when that is all settled?
Are people like Mangaliso are they ever going to be satisfied?
 
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