Interesting protest video against police survaillance during protests

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I have seen this in South Africa too. At the Pretoria name change protest the police had cameras... I personally saw them shooting video from a van with a very good camera... Wonder if they use some kind of facial ID system to get the names of people from some system using ID photos?

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/12942/Quite_A_Chilling_Video
 
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there be big files on all of us - you too ant (looks over shoulder)
 
lol kilo39

There was a story on Carte Blanche tonight about the Pakistani who disappeared. They clearly showed police vid recording the supporters of the case against the government.
 
That video was chilling. Its makes u wonder where America is going.

There going to hell in a handbasket. Those protesters when peacefull protesting should have struck back, after being attacked like that. They outnumbered them, and could have easily beaten those pigs into the ground
 
I have seen this in South Africa too. At the Pretoria name change protest the police had cameras... I personally saw them shooting video from a van with a very good camera... Wonder if they use some kind of facial ID system to get the names of people from some system using ID photos?
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Why be bothering? They be listening to your phone calls - have your name and address - expect a knock on the door momentarily. No Joke!!!

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Taking the position of Devil's Advocate (for the sake of stirring the (revolting) peasants up) *heh*, let me add this:

- if the people can (get away with (though, apparently, this is getting to be problematic)) videotaping the proceedings (think Rodney King), then then turn about is fair play.

- then, and this one's a killer: the concept of 'freedom'. This one is always a favourite as most of the aformentioned (revolting)peasants don't seem to get it (read the book: 1. it's a damn funny read and b. Lord Vetinari is just priceless, but does Get It(tm)) You see, while you have the 'freedom' to associate, say, to express displeasure at the goverment, you ALSO have the 'freedom' to reap the consequences of that choice.

So, for all that that clip shows a rather disturbing heavy-handed police response out of proportion to how the "protestors" (these people have NO idea, someone teach 'em to toyi-toyi already! ..those .us cops have NO idea how easy they've got it!) are conducting themselves, they ARE equally as "free" to be there as they are to accept the consequences of their choice to be there. Sure, it's nice to have (the luxury of a social) concience, and bully for them for up and doing something about it, but every choiceyou make comes with a price attached: it's your decision as to whether it's worth the cost; simple, really.
-bdt
 
More anti-US bull****... nothing at all wrong with cops filming protests. "Peaceful" marches are more often than not hijacked by the extremist fringe - anarchists, anti-capitalists, ant-Americans, college kids looking to make some statement for the fun of it... look at how the recent march in Cape Town went: video taping would help find the instigators. (btw police used rubber bullets, pepper spray there too... who in this forum is complaining about a police state and fascism)

Pepper-spraying innocent protestors is NOT right, I am talking about the use of video only - in fact, it was GOOD that they were video-taping... now the protestors have EVIDENCE!

And that voice-over... sheesh, that voice alone gives me a headache.. I dealt with many leftwing moonbats when I lived there, and the perpetual nonsensical whining is enough to make you sick: America is more free than most, if not all, countries in the world. I have yet to find ONE average person living there who in any way feels it is a fascist state. Yeah - riot, taunt and otherwise fack with the police and you might gather police interest... this is just obvious. Yeah - walking around with masks in no way suggests that you are up to something (or want to be up to something) that you might consider potentially illegal...

Besides, ff you see how ANC goons have tried to oust and hurt Zille and that they even don't allow printing of the Mohammed cartoons in this country, you would quickly realise this is far more of a police state than the states.

I am quite sick of the Nazi/US comparison... utter crap. If the US people don't want the Republicans in power, they can just vote them out... hardly fascist by any definition.

That was "A Shoot the Pigs" production - so you see what side they are coming from... I prefer to be in the middle ground: I respect law and order and peaceful protestors.
 
ignacio said:
That was "A Shoot the Pigs" production - so you see what side they are coming from... I prefer to be in the middle ground: I respect law and order and peaceful protestors.
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well unfortunately these protesters did not throw bottles... or intiate the police retaliation. the police laimed they were forced to but judging from the video of the police perspective... there was no violence except on behlaf of the police.

america is slowly turning into a global power and with that comes their ability to stifle any resistance from within or out their borders.

i agree with the video. viva la underground.
 
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well unfortunately these protesters did not throw bottles... or intiate the police retaliation.
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I can guarantee that in almost every country on the planet, telling the police to go fack themselves and flipping them off would initiate retaliation.... I dare you to try that here :)
 
ignacio
More anti-US bull****... nothing at all wrong with cops filming protests. "Peaceful" marches are more often than not hijacked by the extremist fringe - anarchists, anti-capitalists, ant-Americans, college kids looking to make some statement for the fun of it... look at how the recent march in Cape Town went: video taping would help find the instigators. (btw police used rubber bullets, pepper spray there too... who in this forum is complaining about a police state and fascism)
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I am quite sick of the Nazi/US comparison... utter crap. If the US people don't want the Republicans in power, they can just vote them out... hardly fascist by any definition.
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No ignacio - nothing to do with USA - antowan was drawing an analogy - of SA going towards a police state - by eavesdropping on ALL phone calls - all internet records etc - backdoors... in fact very similar to the states (maybe it is about the states) - whatever - more surveillance, more personal intrusion are signs of a fascist state - USA and SA included. Our days of freedom are over.

And BTW your quip on the american voting system? Tell that to the people in Florida.
 
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No ignacio - nothing to do with USA - antowan was drawing an analogy - of SA going towards a police state - by eavesdropping on ALL phone calls - all internet records etc - backdoors... in fact very similar to the states (maybe it is about the states) - whatever - more surveillance, more personal intrusion are signs of a fascist state - USA and SA included. Our days of freedom are over.
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The video has to do with the USA - my comments were directed at it. Moreover, police state or not, we are all imprisoned behind barbed wire electrified-fences and/or walls... I would be curious to know how those US protestors would react to this so-called "freedom"

And BTW your quip on the american voting system? Tell that to the people in Florida.
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Tell WHAT to the people of Florida? You do realise that newspapers (including the liberal NY Times) did their own investigation after the election and Bush still won?

A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news media companies, including CNN.
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http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

You didn't read that in any anti-US propaganda rags I bet...
 
You didn't read that in any anti-US propaganda rags I bet...
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Not something I really read - just the news. Didn't know about the vote count (interesting) - and I agree - ours is no freedom - but I say again antowan was just commenting on added surveillance in SA -.
 
kilo39 said:
just the news.
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Well, I guess that is the point - the world-press in general has an anti-US and specifically anti-Bush sentiment - and would gladly publicise that the election was "stolen" or otherwise illegal, but not the follow-up investigation.... and this consistent one-sided bent amounts to propaganda.
 
Dude - I watch the people dying every night on tv. Including US troops. Bush and his cronies have put the world back 50 years - and they are doing the same thing to the internet. Dogs of War. Merchants of Death. Get out of Iraq!! Can't they hear??!
 
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A messy and poorly executed post-war for sure. But time will tell whether it put the world back 50 years or PNAC and the democratization of the ME was important for world progress. Taliban, al qaeda and other islamo-fascists... now they REALLY want to put the world back - a few centuries or so. I would rather be with capitalist pigs than people who want religious fascism (no rights for women, beheading of religious converts, murdering people who print or draw cartoons... Allah be praised). Let's summarise other systems or regimes other than capitalism in your words... so for Iraq, Iran, communism, socialism (revolutions tend to be very bloody).... wouldn't you say war-mongerers, making their bucks/ruling out the barrel of a gun, merchants of death? At least with capitalism and democracy - the end goal of all of the murder and mayhem is freedom, for the rest it is only more oppression, murder and mayhem. Japan and Germany were both occupied for many years after an invasion by US forces... look at them now.
 
Great post ignacio - no I certainly don't want to live in a fundamentalist world - but GB, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice really are dogs of war - there is no doubt - not a peaceful bone in their bodies - and a truly scary mindset. I hope USA kicks their butts into the ocean next time around.
 
Regarding the topic on hand. The problem with this kind of surveilance is that it's open to abuse. Face recognition software could lead the govt. to start monitoring your every move, tapping your phonecalls etc. - just becuase you were at a rally. I don't think that's reasonable, and it's too easy for a country to turn into a police state as it is. While I do recognise the merits of the police taping rallies or marches, I think the potential risks outweigh those benefits.

I dealt with many leftwing moonbats when I lived there, and the perpetual nonsensical whining is enough to make you sick: America is more free than most, if not all, countries in the world.
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Depends how you define freedom. If it's the farce of 'two parties' that the American public is given (meanwhile both parties are in the pocket of big business), then America isn't very free at all.

have yet to find ONE average person living there who in any way feels it is a fascist state. Yeah - riot, taunt and otherwise fack with the police and you might gather police interest... this is just obvious. Yeah - walking around with masks in no way suggests that you are up to something (or want to be up to something) that you might consider potentially illegal...
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So you think the fact that the American security agencies can monitor whoever they want for absolutely no reason whatsoever, all for the reason of catching a few mythical terrorists is OK?

What about the TIPS program where citizens are encouraged to come forward and report any suspicious behaviour? Sounds an awful lot like the kind of things that used to go on in Germany in the 1930's.

Besides, ff you see how ANC goons have tried to oust and hurt Zille and that they even don't allow printing of the Mohammed cartoons in this country, you would quickly realise this is far more of a police state than the states.
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Those ANC goons were mostly behaving in their private capacity, and not using state resources against Zille - thus it's not indicative of a police state.

But you're free to try and publish a cartoon denying the holocaust in the 'states - you can phone me from prison to tell me how long it took them to arrest you.

I am quite sick of the Nazi/US comparison... utter crap. If the US people don't want the Republicans in power, they can just vote them out... hardly fascist by any definition.
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Not really. The electronic voting machines used in the last elections were closed source, i.e. no one could check how they counted the votes. These machines left no paper trail, leaving no possibility of a manual recount, and what's more, they were made by a company which gave generous donations to the Bush campaign. There's absolutely NO way the public can monitor how those machines worked - So voting isn't a reliable method of getting rid of those bastards anymore. (if you actually go back and do some proper digging, you'll see that many of the states that used these machines got vastly different results from the predicted outcomes - far outside the usual margin of error.)
 
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