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White people should remember SA's past.
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Without reading it, I do remember and what I can remember is!
What was done was done for a reason, the same reason that exists today! Crime!
I did not Implement the Apartheid, it was given, we had to adhere to it whether you agreed or not
Now that we see how this country is becoming I can understand maybe why it was. Like discipline in a creche is required to prevent amok!
Now What will my kids remember
Reverse discrimination laws and policy's
Cannot find jobs as he is white
He is branded a settler but like me he was born here!
These pigs will say anything to justify what they are doing now. This country will end up like ZIM!
Now I will read the link and see if I guessed right!
Right: I read it, wrong theme but then I do not understand the heading but I can only imagine, as where it came from!
I commemorate the following
Madiba for all the deserved respect I have for him
DR Verwoerd, who was killed for what he was
Piet retief and all the Boere for what they have done for this country
The Setlers for settling in this Country since 1652.
What was done was done for a reason, the same reason that exists today! Crime!
I did not Implement the Apartheid, it was given, we had to adhere to it whether you agreed or not
Now that we see how this country is becoming I can understand maybe why it was. Like discipline in a creche is required to prevent amok!
Now What will my kids remember
Reverse discrimination laws and policy's
Cannot find jobs as he is white
He is branded a settler but like me he was born here!
These pigs will say anything to justify what they are doing now. This country will end up like ZIM!
Now I will read the link and see if I guessed right!
Right: I read it, wrong theme but then I do not understand the heading but I can only imagine, as where it came from!
I commemorate the following
Madiba for all the deserved respect I have for him
DR Verwoerd, who was killed for what he was
Piet retief and all the Boere for what they have done for this country
The Setlers for settling in this Country since 1652.
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nGAGEd55
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Kinda hard to forget with them going on about the past every frekkin day
"He said as part of the South African history, everyone, irrespective of who they were, should be involved."
Also, kinda hard to be involved in something thats already happend.
I just dont get it, why do they keep on focusing on the past? While if we all strive to make the future better, this country would be much better off. The past is in the past, and IMO it's time to move on.
"He said as part of the South African history, everyone, irrespective of who they were, should be involved."
Also, kinda hard to be involved in something thats already happend.
I just dont get it, why do they keep on focusing on the past? While if we all strive to make the future better, this country would be much better off. The past is in the past, and IMO it's time to move on.
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Yeah riiiiigghhtt! Yaddayaddayadda. My kids' "heritage" was on the other side if I remember correctly. Like I want them to get bused off to some ANC mass rally.
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White people should remember SA's past?
And with that, I think you have managed to lose this debate hands down. Which is quite a feat since they can't answer you back on this forum. A forum, by the way, which is beginning to resemble the SA chapter of the KKK...
pupa said:
And with that, I think you have managed to lose this debate hands down. Which is quite a feat since they can't answer you back on this forum. A forum, by the way, which is beginning to resemble the SA chapter of the KKK...
Sorry My pessimism, I am tired of this rhetoric. Settler, Be grateful you re alive, BEE/AAA, ask us for forgiveness, Say sorry for the past, One settler one bullet, Killing of farmers, screwing up this country, Corruption rife, protectionism of Telkom, etc, etc. Debate? its not an debate its facts, just political cr@p, I am tired of been blamed and discriminated against, Go crash some gates if you want. I hate all these political thugs on both side of the spectrum. Regards to pigs That comes from Zuma and his actions, do You deny it, are anyone of them different? Look at the other posts, do you see Joy. Let them make me part of this country again then we can work together, else let them negotiate with Bush and Blair to repatriate us settlers back to there, until then I am nothing, a settler and they are pigs! Ditto! So by the way you are right, 100% Its is the SA chapter of the KKK that is the black KKK that are killing the whites, farmers and other innocents left and right and the GVT does nothing! to prevent it!Gatecrasher said:White people should remember SA's past?
And with that, I think you have managed to lose this debate hands down. Which is quite a feat since they can't answer you back on this forum. A forum, by the way, which is beginning to resemble the SA chapter of the KKK...
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Here's some real rhetoric to ponder.
This message is direct response to Pupa and those who share his sentiments. Currently, no serious black right wing organisation or movement exists. You carry on making statements like the ones you have and the former part of my statement may no longer be true; then and only then will you know what oppression is. This business of claiming that you had no control of Apartheid is not true, because if you look at the election polls since 1940's the National Party has won and won well - thus whites wanted and appreciated their right wing policies. It could only be whites because they're the only people who were enfranchised to vote. Ponder about that! Remember you're a minority in this country, and it's time you started behaving like one!
PS: By the way, I'm white and I'm young. I managed to get a good job out of University and so did my other white counterparts - who were good enough. The only difference between you and I is that I'm willing to take responsibility for the benefits I've received as a white person from the past and not necessarily isolated myself because I didn't write the laws that governed by Apartheid. If you don't like this country leave, its not yours by ancestry - so it won't miss you if you're gone.
This message is direct response to Pupa and those who share his sentiments. Currently, no serious black right wing organisation or movement exists. You carry on making statements like the ones you have and the former part of my statement may no longer be true; then and only then will you know what oppression is. This business of claiming that you had no control of Apartheid is not true, because if you look at the election polls since 1940's the National Party has won and won well - thus whites wanted and appreciated their right wing policies. It could only be whites because they're the only people who were enfranchised to vote. Ponder about that! Remember you're a minority in this country, and it's time you started behaving like one!
PS: By the way, I'm white and I'm young. I managed to get a good job out of University and so did my other white counterparts - who were good enough. The only difference between you and I is that I'm willing to take responsibility for the benefits I've received as a white person from the past and not necessarily isolated myself because I didn't write the laws that governed by Apartheid. If you don't like this country leave, its not yours by ancestry - so it won't miss you if you're gone.
Not wishing anyone any harm, just wait till you or your loved one become statistics and post here again. This country is an puss-pit and you do not have to read newspapers to see it. Go join the Youth league and see where you end Up. I can see you are young and therefore your attitude. Go read the posts about young one's leaving the country and their reasons and say that to them. If it wasn't for the National party that knew how to run this country, and when to relinquish power we would have been where Zim is now 20 Years ago, so be thankful for what you have and pray you get to maintain it here locally!mapstar said:
bb_matt
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Unfortunately, these facts are true :
South Africa IS a black country, owned by the black inhabitants who have more claim to it than white people, no matter what. It is Africa after all
Let them have it, lets see what they do with it when they've chased all the white people away.
My bet is, they will destroy it, just like they did with the rest of Africa.
As for the reasons why?
Well, because they will blame thier failure on anyone but themselves, yet again. Because they do not have the power nor ability to fight back nor to forge thier own destiny. The blame game is all they know, so, when they fail, they blame everything around them, instead of themselves.
Africa was pretty much raped and pillaged by the big White Man, but since then, has failed to get on its feet - mainly because of the "blame game"
Cry for Africa, sure, cry, but remember - it is NOT alone in this unfortunate history, for the very history of all of us is forged on the invader and the invaded.
But also remember, that South Africa was FARMED by the white man, it was made productive, made into a nation !
Remember that, remember that it took the white man to turn the soil to make the country productive.
Then look at Zimbabwe and see what happens when the white man has gone ...
The time for Africa will come, but not in my nor your lifetimes.
South Africa IS a black country, owned by the black inhabitants who have more claim to it than white people, no matter what. It is Africa after all
Let them have it, lets see what they do with it when they've chased all the white people away.
My bet is, they will destroy it, just like they did with the rest of Africa.
As for the reasons why?
Well, because they will blame thier failure on anyone but themselves, yet again. Because they do not have the power nor ability to fight back nor to forge thier own destiny. The blame game is all they know, so, when they fail, they blame everything around them, instead of themselves.
Africa was pretty much raped and pillaged by the big White Man, but since then, has failed to get on its feet - mainly because of the "blame game"
Cry for Africa, sure, cry, but remember - it is NOT alone in this unfortunate history, for the very history of all of us is forged on the invader and the invaded.
But also remember, that South Africa was FARMED by the white man, it was made productive, made into a nation !
Remember that, remember that it took the white man to turn the soil to make the country productive.
Then look at Zimbabwe and see what happens when the white man has gone ...
The time for Africa will come, but not in my nor your lifetimes.
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mapstar I think you had good intentions with your post, so its sad that you resorted to bull**** like this:
Are we not all South Africans? What makes one person more South African than another? Skin color? Do you see the absurdity of this line of thought?
Whose is it then? How far back do you want to go to establish "ancestry"? Most people only go back as far as it suits them...
mapstar said:
Are we not all South Africans? What makes one person more South African than another? Skin color? Do you see the absurdity of this line of thought?
mapstar said:
Whose is it then? How far back do you want to go to establish "ancestry"? Most people only go back as far as it suits them...
dominic
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you know that is probably one of the most balanced calls to action i have seen in some time - if you take the time to really read what he is saying it is wonderful and it is telling that it evokes such bitter responses
@ mapstar: welcome to the forum
... "black KKK"? they ain't gonna like that in mississippi
@ mapstar: welcome to the forum
... "black KKK"? they ain't gonna like that in mississippi
BB_Matt - I appreciate the well thought I out reply. You're 100%, Africans need to take charge of their futures and whites shouldn't have a say in this. 1994 was just yesterday and I think this country is faced with un-realistic expectations. Let's look at what's been acomplished by these so-called in-capable blacks that need white rescue...
1. Since 1994, we've had a Rugby World Cup, and African Cup of Nations, a Cricket World Cup and finally 2010 Soccer World Cup coming through
2. The rate of inflation is at it's lowest in decades. Make no mistake the Apartheid government left this country in economic tatters, but managed to masquerade this with a fixed exchange rate and debvious fiscal policies.
3. Our Ministry of Finance is world renowned and our Finance Minister is tipped to play a prominate in world financial bodies once his tenure is finished.
4. The JSE is doing better than it ever has before, hitting record highs that people weren't possible.
5. With land reform, the government has atleast made an effort to compensate white farmers for their land. I far cry from what the settlers did originally whereby kicking off, killing or enslaving was the means. This is our heritage as whites and we need to except it.
These are only but a few examples, but to me it doesn't seem like a country headed for a downfall. It seems like a country that doesn't need to rely on whites anymore. This is not a rainbow nation, a rainbow doesn't have a thick band of black, and we as whites need to accept that. This country has serious problems, no doubt - but as whites we need to start taking responsibilty for this cause and effect, instead of complaining about how the system has failed us - even though it hasn't - we're just not at the top of the food chain now - just like no minority should be.
On the topic of crime: Crime isn't a racial matter, but more class matter. Blacks and Whites are both victims of crime. Poverty breeds insanity, and that's the nature of the crime gripping the country now. Everyone is victim, not just us lowely whites. There was always going to be some form of backlash to a represive system like Aparthied - the question is would you have preferred civil war or crime as that backlash?
1. Since 1994, we've had a Rugby World Cup, and African Cup of Nations, a Cricket World Cup and finally 2010 Soccer World Cup coming through
2. The rate of inflation is at it's lowest in decades. Make no mistake the Apartheid government left this country in economic tatters, but managed to masquerade this with a fixed exchange rate and debvious fiscal policies.
3. Our Ministry of Finance is world renowned and our Finance Minister is tipped to play a prominate in world financial bodies once his tenure is finished.
4. The JSE is doing better than it ever has before, hitting record highs that people weren't possible.
5. With land reform, the government has atleast made an effort to compensate white farmers for their land. I far cry from what the settlers did originally whereby kicking off, killing or enslaving was the means. This is our heritage as whites and we need to except it.
These are only but a few examples, but to me it doesn't seem like a country headed for a downfall. It seems like a country that doesn't need to rely on whites anymore. This is not a rainbow nation, a rainbow doesn't have a thick band of black, and we as whites need to accept that. This country has serious problems, no doubt - but as whites we need to start taking responsibilty for this cause and effect, instead of complaining about how the system has failed us - even though it hasn't - we're just not at the top of the food chain now - just like no minority should be.
On the topic of crime: Crime isn't a racial matter, but more class matter. Blacks and Whites are both victims of crime. Poverty breeds insanity, and that's the nature of the crime gripping the country now. Everyone is victim, not just us lowely whites. There was always going to be some form of backlash to a represive system like Aparthied - the question is would you have preferred civil war or crime as that backlash?
bb_matt
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dominic said:you know that is probably one of the most balanced calls to action i have seen in some time - if you take the time to really read what he is saying it is wonderful and it is telling that it evokes such bitter responses
@ mapstar: welcome to the forum
... "black KKK"? they ain't gonna like that in mississippi
I beg to differ.
All I hear from Africa is either the cry for handouts, or blaming the white man.
Why on earth can't Africa get it's **** together and work?
Do I need to go on?
I'm so utterly sick of the plight of Africa, a continent so rich, yet so fscked up!
WHY must the white man lend a hand? - what is wrong with the countless MILLIONS of inhabitants of the continent, that they can't get off thier collective arses and MAKE a difference?
Heck, China is doing it, India is doing it ?
Do I need to go on?
Fsck sake, screw Africa, if it can't get off it's arse by itself, then it's doomed.
bb_matt
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Well, if that's the case, Europe will freeze over 
dominic said:you know that is probably one of the most balanced calls to action i have seen in some time - if you take the time to really read what he is saying it is wonderful and it is telling that it evokes such bitter responses
@ mapstar: welcome to the forum
... "black KKK"? they ain't gonna like that in mississippi
Thanks Dominic. I love the line where you say "if you take the time to really read what he is saying it is wonderful and it is telling that it evokes such bitter responses" Because it's true. Look at BB_Matts response to my latest post. It's not intelligent, it's not even in context to what I've written - it's just bitter! No where did I say Africa needs the help of white people. If I did, please quote and reply.
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mapstar said:
and naive.
pupa said:
You see folks. It's statements like the one's above that will lead to the downfall of all us as whites in this country... It's sad that a handful of right wingers are going to destroy it all. Statements like the one above only invite and incite right wing responses from the opposite spectrum. When you're outnumbered in a country by atleast 1:8 you need to chose how you voice your opinions...
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