We thought SA's social welfare was bad - just as inept in England

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Mother in law (93) has dementia and lives in a frail care home in Fish Hoek. She receives a pension of (currently) £820.00 a month from Cunard Lines in England where she worked for 48 years. Since she was 80 years old, no UK tax at source has been deducted since it falls below the threshold for tax for elderly persons and since she was 87, has had this condition which requires frail care. She also receives £22.45 a month from DHSS for old age pension, paid every quarter.

About 10 months ago, had a letter from DHSS in England saying that she should register for tax since she is now earning above the threshold. Despite 8 letters to them, they took no notice. The last letter enclosed a "tax summary" showing that she owed £2125.45 in unpaid taxes and penalties and unless this was paid by 31st May, her pension would attract a garnishee order to pay the back taxes.

I noticed that letters to her are addressed as Mrs E E Trevenney with a DHSS number of THLC3225906 whereas her DHSS number has always been THLC32255960 (last 2 digits transposed) since she registered in 1948. Letters pointing this out to DHSS are brushed aside as being "not relevant" to the issue at hand. 3 weeks ago, a letter from Cunard arrived advising that they had a tax directive from Inland Revenue instructing them to pay £2125.45 in respect of Mrs Trevenney's earnings, and would she please remit this sum to them as her pension credit was insufficient to pay this. Seeing the old lady only has lucid moments 15 mins every other day, it was a waste of time trying to explain this.

So I sent a detailed email to Cunard advising about the mix-up. Yesterday, Cunard's advised that Inland Revenue have Mrs T down as a 38 year old woman living in Lyme Regis, not a 93 year old in Cape Town, South Africa and would she please provide proof of her age, whether she is still living and her source of income. So her income (according to DHSS) suddenly changed from "pension" to "salary" since it has dawned on them that maybe a 38 year old would not yet be on pension.

Now to get a visit from a Commissioner of Oaths to verify that she is still alive. In the meantime, Cunard have stopped paying the pension until they get a directive from DHSS or Inland Revenue. Guess who has to pay the R 14000 a month to the home? Letters to DHSS telling them that they have cut off the sole pension of an elderly person and did they want her to go and live in a shelter receive a reply "that the matter is receiving attention".
 
OMG She worked for 48 years for this one company? How old was she when she went on pension?
 
Can't you get someone from the foreign office in CT to act as commissioner of oaths and certify on their official stationary that she is still alive and kicking?
 
Can't you get someone from the foreign office in CT to act as commissioner of oaths and certify on their official stationary that she is still alive and kicking?

For proof of life you usually go to the Police Station where a polite constable will assist by stamping the form. Since I cannot take her to the SAPS Fish Hoek and they don't make house calls, you get a Commissioner of Oaths to visit and verify before he signs the form. Any professional person (but not the regular doctor who attends the home) can do it, so I have this dentist friend who I will take along and he will sign it. He has done it before.

To answer Intel8080, she started with Cunard in 1937 and retired at 66 in 1985. She became the first ever female passenger ship's Purser in 1945 (women were considered "unsuitable" to be pursers before then, because men at sea were "rough" - quite a Victorian attitude)
 
Yea thats a major balls up.
Tho if that happened here it would be just another day in the Sa government gears..
 
And the most irritating part is that you send a letter with 5 points, all tabluated and concise. They read the first one but ignore the rest. I asked how a National Health registration could alter, when it is a lifetime number, and this was not answered, yet is intrisic to the case.

Today, I found the person with the other registration, she lives in Lyme Regis and runs a B&B establishment, so I have an email address and have told her what is going on. She has a completely different name (Le Bouchard).

Now for a letter to the Daily Mail. They like stories like this, it gives them more Tory bashing ammunition.
 
I have long since learnt that you cannot send a letter to anyone where you request assistance on more than one point, you should send five different letters :D
 
take a photo with her, holding up the letter or todays newspaper.... dunno if that will cut it. cant you get hold of the dominee at the frail care center. they are usually commissioner of oaths also
 
I have long since learnt that you cannot send a letter to anyone where you request assistance on more than one point, you should send five different letters :D


OMG, never thought of that. Assumed everybody in England could speak English

Wife just pointed out something important I had missed: Last two letters were signed by (Ms) Felicia Gaobone. Doesn't that sound a touch South African? If so, all has come clear, she was trained at Home Affairs somewhere in SA.
 
OMG, never thought of that. Assumed everybody in England could speak English

Try finding an English-speaking waiter in a restaurant in London ... :)

.....

Another suggestion: try contacting the UK consulate and asking for assistance.
 
The title is misleading. Social Welfare has nothing to with tax disputes.

Good luck arguing with HMRC. They just look at the numbers and couldn't care less how old, demented someone may be.

It's not about being inept. In fact they will use this to show are keen they are track down tax dodgers. Even if they are old folks who don't even know what day it is.
 
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