Obama fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans

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For those who still buy the bullcrap media-spin, smiling for the camera, nobel peace prize nonsense version of Obama. Indefinite Detention -- understand what that truly means folks. And remember it was Obama that insisted changes be made to include American citizens in the first place.


Obama fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans

The White House has filed an appeal in hopes of reversing a federal judge’s ruling that bans the indefinite military detention of Americans because attorneys for the president say they are justified to imprison alleged terrorists without charge.

Manhattan federal court Judge Katherine Forrest ruled in May that the indefinite detention provisions signed into law late last year by US President Barack Obama failed to “pass constitutional muster” and ordered a temporary injunction to keep the military from locking up any person, American or other, over allegations of terrorist ties. On Monday, however, federal prosecutors representing President Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta filed a claim with the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals in hopes of eliminating that ban.

The plaintiffs “cannot point to a single example of the military’s detaining anyone for engaging in conduct even remotely similar to the type of expressive activities they allege could lead to detention,” Obama’s attorneys insist. With that, the White House is arguing that as long as the indefinite detention law hasn’t be enforced yet, there is no reason for a judge to invalidate it.

Reuters reports this week that the government believes they are justified to have the authorization to lock alleged belligerents up indefinitely because cases involving militants directly aligned against the good of the US government warrants such punishment. Separate from Judge Forrest’s injunction, nine states have attempted to, at least in part, remove themselves from the indefinite detention provisions of included in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, or NDAA.

In section 1021 of the NDAA, the president’s authority to hold a terrorism suspect “without trial, until the end of the hostilities” is reaffirmed by Congress. Despite an accompanying signing statement voicing his opposition to that provision, President Obama quietly inked his name to the NDAA on December 31, 2011. In May, however, a group of plaintiffs including notable journalists and civil liberty proponents challenged section 1021 in court, leading to Just Forrest to find it unconstitutional one month later.

“There is a strong public interest in protecting rights guaranteed by the First Amendment,” Forrest wrote in her 68-page ruling. “There is also a strong public interest in ensuring that due process rights guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment are protected by ensuring that ordinary citizens are able to understand the scope of conduct that could subject them to indefinite military detention.”

At the time Just Forrest made her injunction, attorney Carl Mayer told RT on behalf of the plaintiffs that, although he expected the White House to appeal, “It may not be in their best interest.”

“[T]here are so many people from all sides of the political spectrum opposed to this law that they ought to just say, ‘We’re not going to appeal,’” Mayer said. “The NDAA cannot be used to pick up Americans in a proverbial black van or in any other way that the administration might decide to try to get people into the military justice system. It means that the government is foreclosed now from engaging in this type of action against the civil liberties of Americans.”

The original plaintiffs, who include Pulitzer Prize-winner Chris Hedges, have asked Just Forrest to make her injunction permanent. Oral arguments in the case are expected to begin this week.
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marine1 said:
He is turning out to be worse than Bush :D:D
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Actually, yes, he is.

An iron fist in silk glove (Obama) is much much worse than a blatant iron fist (Bush), as you can get away with so much more.
So many of Obama's policies, comments and actions would have been shot down in flames and hammered (by both sides) if those very same actions had been executed by Bush. But now they are simply silent, cowardly and numb.

Keep in mind I have zero love for Bush ;)
 
The problem with America is not the president ... whether he/she be Democrat or Republican ... the problem is the permanent government professionals in their beaucracy ... they are the real executors of America's influence in the world and thus also their image.
 
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The problem is the electoral college and an archaic winner takes all (FPtP) mentality. Electoral reform is needed if you want to change the American political system.
 
Picard said:
The problem with America is not the president ... whether he/she be Democrat or Republican ... the problem is the permanent government professionals in their beaucracy ... they are the real executors of America's influence in the world and thus also their image.
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Exactly, Romney or Obama makes no difference; two sides of the same coin. Two factions of the "Mafia" vying for control.
Obama has fulfilled NONE of his promises, everything Bush executed, Obama has continued -- for instance, not only has Obama not closed Guantanamo, just the other day he pumped boat loads of more cash into the place.

And if you think my Mafia analogy is a little extreme, just look at their actions, if anything it's spot on, or understated.
 
I'm curious what the Obama-worshippers have to say about this?

Do you still support a man that would throw away your rights and trample on the constitution because he has a nice smile, or supports gay marriage.

Has the world really gone to sleep; buying into the bull fed to us by the talking heads. Will they really only wake up when it's too late.
Folks geopolitics hasn't changed one bit since Kings sat on the throne, only now it is played out under cover through subterfuge and lies.


[video=youtube;PZjXHjkzMD4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjXHjkzMD4[/video]
 
Fudzy said:
The Obameter says no. I agree about his failure with regards to Guantanamo, you should read the detainee list, quite interesting reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees
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I know it's crazy!! And yet you still have people who blindly follow and support America.

Imagine it was Russia, China or South Africa that had been holding those people with no trial for a frikken decade?!!!

So why are they still holding those people in jail when they themselves are now supporting Al Qaeda in Syria? wtf is wrong with this picture... everything.
 
empirex said:
I know it's crazy!! And yet you still have people who blindly follow and support America.

Imagine it was Russia, China or South Africa that had been holding those people with no trial for a frikken decade?!!!

So why are they still holding those people in jail when they themselves are now supporting Al Qaeda in Syria? wtf is wrong with this picture... everything.
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The saddest irony is it's probably converted a number of level headed people becoming fanatical afterwards.
 
marine1 said:
He is turning out to be worse than Bush :D:D
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No one but no one can be worse than President GW Bush!!

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories ... And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." --President GW Bush, Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

The Iraq War Logs released by WikiLeaks on 22 October 2010, contain 54,910 records compiled by the United States military whose numerical fields register 109,032 violent deaths between January 2004 and December 2009. These casualty records contain four categories of casualties, ‘Civilian’ (66,081 deaths), ‘Host Nation’ (15,196 deaths),‘Enemy’ (23,984 deaths), and ‘Friendly’ (3,771 deaths).

He is a lying murderer who should be put on trial for war crimes.
 
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