All 3 New 8 billion Rand South African submarines grounded

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Not one of the R8 billion arms deal submarines is operational

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/20...8-billion-arms-deal-submarines-is-operational

what an incredible waste of tax payers money:mad:

South Africa's fleet of attack submarines, which cost an estimated R8-billion in the infamous arms deal, are all in dry dock after the only operational vessel crashed into the seabed.
The SAS Queen Modjadji, named after South Africa's rain queen who lived in Limpopo, struck the ocean floor while conducting training exercises between Port Elizabeth and Durban last week.

The Sunday Times photographed the German-built submarine undergoing repairs in Simon's Town this week.

And yesterday the SA Navy acknowledged she had been damaged during a "training exercise".

This means that all three submarines - meant to police the oceans - are presently undergoing repairs and maintenance.

The SAS Manthatisi, the first of the country's submarines acquired in the multibillion-rand arms deal, has been in the dry dock since 2007 after a series of mishaps, including crashing into a quay and damaging her steering mechanism.

Then a power cable was incorrectly plugged into her shore power-supply system, causing damage. The vessel's propulsion batteries, which cost R35-million, are being replaced.

The SAS Charlotte Maxeke is also busy with "routine maintenance", according to navy chief director maritime strategy Rear Admiral Bernhard Teuteberg.

Now a full navy board of inquiry has been appointed to investigate what happened to the Queen Modjadji.

The submarine was the only one of the country's three hi-tech submarines operational at sea when she was damaged.

Teuteberg said: "We did a proper technical investigation and now we have convened a board of inquiry to look at all the procedures to see whether there is something we can learn from this.

"As soon as that is completed, we will adapt our procedures of conducting this specific set of safety drills."

He downplayed the latest incident, and insisted the submarine could be back in the water "within days".

However, he said repair work to the vessel's nose would be completed later in the month.

The accident is the latest in a string of submarine incidents over the past two years and comes three months after the Queen Modjadji welcomed a new commander, Commander Handsome Thamsanqa Matsane.

The fleet of submarines cost over R6-billion - rising to R8-billion in interest costs - and cost tens of millions every year to maintain and operate.

This week, the Sunday Times established that:

â– The accident took place during a safety drill involving the Queen Modjadji's hydraulic system;
â– The vessel's outer hull, about 7.8mm thick, suffered a serious dent on impact with the seabed;
â– She surfaced after impact and continued sailing to Durban, where she was checked by a team of divers; and
â– Afterwards, the submarine returned to Cape Town and was taken out of the water and inspected by senior officials.
Teuteberg said he flew to Simon's Town naval base to inspect the damaged submarine.

"I personally went down from Pretoria to Simon's Town to go and have a look at the submarine and speak to the crew.

"When I initially heard about [the accident], I thought, 'Hell, this must have been a bump' ... I spoke to the captain and the officers. Some of them said they didn't even notice the bump."

The vessel's black boxes - which keep a record of her movements and functioning of her equipment - would help determine the cause of the incident, he said.

However, defence experts yesterday said the accident raised serious concerns.

Parliament defence portfolio committee member David Maynier said: "A full board of inquiry will have to be convened to determine what went wrong and recommend ways to prevent a similar incident in the future. There can be absolutely no compromise when it comes to submarine safety."

South Africa purchased four frigates, three submarines, helicopters, jet training aircraft and Gripen fighter jets in a Strategic Defence Procurement Process that, in 1999, came with an estimated price tag of R30-billion. That figure has since ballooned to an estimated R70-billion, taking financing costs into account.

President Jacob Zuma established a commission of inquiry into the arms deal in September last year to probe allegations of fraud, corruption and impropriety.

Arms deal activist Terry Crawford-Browne said the incident was further proof of the folly of the arms deal. "South Africa has not yet paid for these submarines. They are being financed by Commerzbank until 2016, these loans being underwritten by Hermes and German taxpayers," he said.

Former ANC MP and author Andrew Feinstein, who has written extensively about the international arms trade, said the latest submarine incident raised familiar questions about the logic behind South Africa's arm deal.

"This is another example of what happens in arms deals all the time, but it seems to be happening more than most in our deals. We were sold equipment that seems to be of dubious quality, we were sold it at inflated prices because of the bribes that were paid, and the performance of this equipment across the board has been, to put it politely, very poor," said Feinstein.

He said submarine manufacturer Ferrostaal was under fire for corrupt dealings with Greece and Portugal, whose own arms deals contributed to the current European fiscal crisis: "This [South Africa's submarine deal] is a déjà-vu situation with Portugal and Greece.

"South Africans need to ask ourselves, especially with the arms deal commission of inquiry: was this an appropriate use of our money, given this latest disaster with the submarines?

"Do South Africans who don't have enough to eat today, nor adequate shelter, healthcare or education, believe that this was an appropriate way to spend R70-billion?"

Hawks boss Anwar Dramat last year rejected calls to probe Ferrostaal, a member of the German submarine consortium that supplied the three submarines to South Africa. The company was implicated in making questionable payments to South African "consultants" involved in the arms deal.

Teuteberg said in 2007 that it would cost the navy over R34-million a year to operate its fleet of submarines - R7.8-million each.

I wonder what promotion the idiot that caused the R35 million damage to the SAS Manthatisi received?
Since 2007 under going repairs, or in other words, cheaper to have the sub on land and non functional - what a complete and utter waste.
 
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I feel alot safer knowing some tw@t isn't in charge of all that firepower. It is also not as if we are under threat of war to need them even if they knew how to opperate it properly.

It was probably just some cANCer tw@t getting money out in a disguised way.
 
And this is just adding to my point that this country is a joke, going backwards.
How the hell does this happen?
I just don't know anymore, this country is like a chicken without a head.
 
Accidents can happen, but with Billion Rand equipment floating around, I suspect that it is a lack of training / experience that led to these accidents. You can't give extreme high tech stuff to untrained or unskilled officers and expect there not to be accidents. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even undergo training in a simulator. It just sounds like a Taxi Driver was in charge there lol
 
The cost of operating and maintaining defence equipment can be even more unpalatable than the initial procurement, but it is not usually made so public. Apart from the poor reliablity, costs can spiral with poorly trained (or untrainable) maintainers and operators (if a full complement can in fact be achieved), and incompetence at officer levels in managing deployment and upkeep. Added to this are the ongoing non-compliances or new design issues surfacing still to be resolved by the contractor, spares yet to be fully provisioned, obsolescence and, overall, all contractors down the chain inflating prices now that the bait has been taken.

The Navy has been conned hook, line and sinker.
 
Those 3 subs have been out of action for quite a long time surprised they only picked it up now, I know for a fact those subs are not being repaired nor will they be anytime soon they don't have the skilled workforce they once had as most of them have left the navy , really sad tbh , the naval base in simon's town is a joke compared to what it use to be , I think only the diving school is the only good thing left we have there.
 
When will patriotic liberty-loving black people rise up and turf out the racist incompetents now running the country?

Probably when we are all 89 and a year from the grave. :cry:

//edit// well not really, but my point is still valid. These buffoons are eating up the most precious thing we have - time.
 
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Those 3 subs have been out of action for quite a long time surprised they only picked it up now, I know for a fact those subs are not being repaired nor will they be anytime soon they don't have the skilled workforce they once had as most of them have left the navy , really sad tbh , the naval base in simon's town is a joke compared to what it use to be , I think only the diving school is the only good thing left we have there.

You not Wong there.
 
umm.. why do we have subs? Why did we want subs? or is this Zuumbie and his corrupt relationship thing?
 
This story is perhaps a bit sensationalist; if you expect an availabilty rate of 50% then having one submarine out of three at sea isn't really unexpected. It's likely than when S101 returns to service one the others will undergo major maintenance or be placed in reserve. This wouldn't be unusual in any navy and the sub in short term maintenance can probably be operational fairly quickly.

I'm sure the navy puts their best personell into these very expensive subs and they've apparently done well in war games with other countries, so I think calling them unskilled, untrained etc., isn't really fair.
Submarines do sometimes crash into things, USS San Francisco was severely damaged when it collided with an uncharted ridge, a few years ago French and UK subs actually crashed into each other.

I'm not defending the navy and things aren't as they should be, but that artcle isn't exactly neutral.
 
@ Khoisanx , they are actually spot on , they do not have their "best" personal anymore to maintain these submarines , im not sure you understand what our current navy consists of :/ , two of the subs have been in the drydock for "maintenance and repairs" for a very very long time

Please note: im only referring to the artisans/ pipe fitters /welders etc etc that do maintenance on the "naval ships/subs/dock/drydock"
 
Doesn't change the fact that if you go to the drydock you will see the submarines wasting away with our tax money :) , strange though that is posted on the air force forums , and this sub incident is only a tip of the iceberg :/ ( talking about problems that started many years ago ) , good find though
 
Can you imagine how the other navies are sniggering at our amateurs! It's an embarrassment.
And the worst of it is that our new overlords can't see the wood for the trees.
 
They should put these subs on hydraulic platforms at places like the vaal dam as kiddies rides. Everybody will be safer that way.
 
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