Article: US withheld email evidence in WikiLeaks case: defense

Lawyers for the US soldier charged with passing a trove of classified documents to WikiLeaks accused the military Tuesday of withholding hundreds of emails over fears of a publicity nightmare.

The defense team for Private Bradley Manning, who could be jailed for life for "aiding the enemy" over the massive security breach, alleged that more than 1,300 messages were ignored by prosecutors for at least six months.
 
lol, the guy releases a ton of military secrets and betrays his trust to the US Military, and then he complains cos they treated him a little bit badly!
What the hell did he expect would happen? Did he think they would promote him? Invite him to the Cabinet War room for tea?
What a baby, man the hell up! This guy should have never made soldier in the first place.

If he really thought that the information was worth being exposed to the public (and maybe it was), then he should be fully willing to take the fallout from leaking it! :)
 
Garyvdh said:
lol, the guy releases a ton of military secrets and betrays his trust to the US Military, and then he complains cos they treated him a little bit badly!
What the hell did he expect would happen? Did he think they would promote him? Invite him to the Cabinet War room for tea?
What a baby, man the hell up! This guy should have never made soldier in the first place.

If he really thought that the information was worth being exposed to the public (and maybe it was), then he should be fully willing to take the fallout from leaking it! :)
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Or how about he receive a fair trial like everyone else is meant to get, in order to ascertain his guilt or innocence?
 
copacetic said:
Or how about he receive a fair trial like everyone else is meant to get, in order to ascertain his guilt or innocence?
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Dude, this is the army, there is no such thing as a fair trial in any army in any country around the world.
They own his ass, and he is lucky they haven't put him up against a wall and shot him, cos they would be fully entitled to do so. :D
 
Garyvdh said:
Dude, this is the army, there is no such thing as a fair trial in any army in any country around the world.
They own his ass, and he is lucky they haven't put him up against a wall and shot him, cos they would be fully entitled to do so. :D
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I don't understand why this is considered normal, or true...
 
Garyvdh said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_justice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Code_of_Military_Justice

People in the military are governed by a different set of laws to civilians.
They don't necessarily enjoy all the same protections that civilians do.
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I know that, however, there is a great deal of comment by the defense that this trial is not adhering to the (military) rules, this article is one example of that.

It's not an excuse that the military can be unfair just because they are the military.
 
copacetic said:
I know that, however, there is a great deal of comment by the defense that this trial is not adhering to the (military) rules, this article is one example of that.
It's not an excuse that the military can be unfair just because they are the military.
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All the more reason why Bradley Manning should be profoundly glad! :)
 
copacetic said:
Huh?
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I mean he should be glad that the trial is not following normal military procedure.
Even though it is under the Uniform Military Code of Justice, he has been allowed a lawyer and the government have already said they would not impose the Death Penalty even though he is charged with "aiding the enemy".

It's always a good thing when you find out you won't be put to death! ;)
 
Garyvdh said:
I mean he should be glad that the trial is not following normal military procedure.
Even though it is under the Uniform Military Code of Justice, he has been allowed a lawyer and the government have already said they would not impose the Death Penalty even though he is charged with "aiding the enemy".

It's always a good thing when you find out you won't be put to death! ;)
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So they can be unfair, if they claim they're being nice?

I think there's just a fundamental difference in how we view these things.

I don't have much more to say at this stage - Don't know enough about the trial at this point.
 
copacetic said:
So they can be unfair, if they claim they're being nice?
I think there's just a fundamental difference in how we view these things.
I don't have much more to say at this stage - Don't know enough about the trial at this point.
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OK, well let me put it this way... it's 2012... the US is at war.

If this was 1942, Bradley Manning would have been put up against a wall and shot so full of lead that he could have started his own Foundry!

That is what I mean when I say he can be glad.
 
Agree, they could easily shoot him if they wanted to, problem is though how would this affect the morale of the troops that are still in the firing line?
Manning's disillusionment with the war/s I am sure is shared by many a soldier out there wondering what the hell they are/were doing there.
Shooting him is not an option the US can afford to explore.

USA's foreign policy has come under the spotlight, and they just don't like it, all their dirty laundry being aired for the world to see.
 
Garyvdh said:
Dude, this is the army, there is no such thing as a fair trial in any army in any country around the world.
They own his ass, and he is lucky they haven't put him up against a wall and shot him, cos they would be fully entitled to do so. :D
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Yup you are 100% correct, look at that terror attack from the american soldier in afghanistan. He won't spend life in prison, i guess slaughtering 16 innocent women and children is less of a crime. That chopper pilot who slaughtered an entire family was not even put on trial.

Perhaps if the US did not commit war crimes there would have been nothing to release. Amazing that someone is getting a rubbish trial for showing the world that the US are not as nice as people would like us to think.

Murder 16 people, maybe a few months in jail, release war crime footage, life in prison.

The US government is very bad and because of manning many people know it now. there is no need for tinfoil hats, he gave hard evidence showing how bad they are.
 
Why such hate Gary?

Article's about someone not getting a fair trial. In fact, a whistleblower who had the guts to expose corruption, yes even in the glorious US military, at a great cost to himself .. and now that there's further evidence of unfair bias against him you are practically jumping with glee?

Guess I had you completely wrong, never for a moment thought you'd side with tyranny after your views on e-tolling. Oh well .. just glad you're not in politics mate.
 
Well said evilstebunny. Whilst we are on the military, the expression 'true colours' comes to mind.
 
evilstebunny said:
Why such hate Gary?
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I honestly don't feel for the guy either way. It's not hate. It's actually more disappointment.

He failed as a soldier, and now he is failing as a whistleblower.
He can't seem to do anything with much conviction or staying power.

He has a perfect opportunity here to take up the role of a martyr or soldier for justice, but instead he plays the wuss.
 
Could you explain to us the wuss part gary?

Releasing information knowing it could eman life in jail or death is a wuss now. What is hero gary.

How did he fail as a whistle blower? If it wasn't for him there would have been no release. If the US killed manning the anti war machine would start it's motor and be stronger than ever. The US know they cannot kill him but they can give him a rubbish trial and lock him up for life. Anyone who thinks killing manning would be a smart move should think what could happen if they did kill him.

You seem to want whistle blowers to die but you fail to realize the last thing the US would do is upset their own people. Killing manning would be a nightmare for the US. Same as assange, no death just life in prison.

Public opinion gets you elected. You should google vietnam to understand what an anti war movement can achieve then question why manning isn't dead yet.
 
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