The cold murder fields of Marikana.

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Some of the miners killed in the 16 August massacre at Marikana appear to have been shot at close range or crushed by police vehicles. They were not caught in a fusillade of gunfire from police defending themselves, as the official account would have it. GREG MARINOVICH spent two weeks trying to understand what really happened. What he found was profoundly disturbing.
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http://dailymaverick.co.za/article/...f-marikana-the-cold-murder-fields-of-marikana

It's a long shocking read.
 
Read it this morning and listened to Greg on 702 at lunch time, I think there's a can of worms that been opened
 
Sheesh... I would also like to see some answers to this, but I'm sorry... that article is hardly objective and is filled with wild speculation.
He really has no idea what happened there. Those people could have been killed by stray bullets. Did he actually see the bodies? Did he see the line of fire? They could have even been killed by stray bullets from their own guys firing at the police from right behind them. If you watch the video you can see that the police were taking fire. Once again, let's wait for the results of the official enquiry, before we listen to the emotional speculations of some reporter with a VERY obvious bias and goal.
 
Garyvdh said:
Sheesh... I would also like to see some answers to this, but I'm sorry... that article is hardly objective and is filled with wild speculation.
He really has no idea what happened there. Those people could have been killed by stray bullets. Did he actually see the bodies? Did he see the line of fire? They could have even been killed by stray bullets from their own guys firing at the police from right behind them. If you watch the video you can see that the police were taking fire. Once again, let's wait for the results of the official enquiry, before we listen to the emotional speculations of some reporter with a VERY obvious bias and goal.
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and his VERY obvious bias and goal would be?
 
Ol' Mean Bastid said:
and his VERY obvious bias and goal would be?
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To paint the police in a bad light. Surely that fact did not escape you?

The media have been trying to paint the police in a bad light here since the first shot was fired.

Are these journalists and photographers qualified in forensics and crime scene analysis?

Let's leave it to the professionals.

But something tells me already that they are not going to like the outcome, so they are trying to use as much black paint as possible before the truth comes out.
 
Korn1 said:
Wonder why the police would hunt them down ? :confused:
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Perhaps killing some cops and security guards was not their best idea.

Go back to when they burnt those two security guards alive and killed a cop


Five people, including a police officer, have now been killed in clashes between unions at platinum producer Lonmin’s Western Platinum mine, 100 km northwest of Johannesburg. The dead policeman was killed by a machete, while another officer attacked in the same incident was seriously wounded. The company is expecting the situation to return to calm given the level of security on site.

I would also hunt down/slaughter people who hacked one of my friends to death and burnt two guards alive.
 
Garyvdh said:
Are these journalists and photographers qualified in forensics and crime scene analysis?

Let's leave it to the professionals.
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Agreed. That article is highly speculative. In any event - those "fields" were hot in every sense, not cold, and if you want to play with fire, you are likely to get burned.
 
killadoob said:
Perhaps killing some cops and security guards was not their best idea.

Go back to when they burnt those two security guards alive and killed a cop


Five people, including a police officer, have now been killed in clashes between unions at platinum producer Lonmin’s Western Platinum mine, 100 km northwest of Johannesburg. The dead policeman was killed by a machete, while another officer attacked in the same incident was seriously wounded. The company is expecting the situation to return to calm given the level of security on site.

I would also hunt down/slaughter people who hacked one of my friends to death and burnt two guards alive.
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I understand this but you can't just go and kill people. Maybe they had some intelligence that we don't know about ?
 
The AlJazeera crew at the incident, got footage of the miners sneaking up on the police and one of them starting to fire at the police with a semi automatic pistol.

This was broadcast a day or two after it happened, to show that from where the ALJazeera crew were standing they could see the miners sneak up on the police, compared to other broadcasters, that had crews in positions where they could not see the miners approaching.
 
Korn1 said:
I understand this but you can't just go and kill people. Maybe they had some intelligence that we don't know about ?
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When it comes to killing cops, i don't think there are rules. When you burn two people alive in a bakkie or however it went down the rules fly out the window as well.

The strikers should not be blaming the cops or the government. They are not fighting for freedom, i cannot even begin to imagine how you burn two people alive because you want a higher salary but slaughtering people who think like that can only help the situation :D.

The strikers can blame anyone they like and the media can do their best to paint the situation a certain way but the strikers got what they deserved.
 
there's a difference between opening fire on a mob charging towards you and going on a systematic hunt down of suspected perpetrators...
 
Am I the only one that thinks that the police had orders to shoot to kill that day?

They had assault rifles, not rubber bullets & teargas.

Could this have been orders from the ANC/government, since the strikers weren't from the NUM/Cosatu?
 
biometrics said:
Am I the only one that thinks that the police had orders to shoot to kill that day?
They had assault rifles, not rubber bullets & teargas.
Could this have been orders from the ANC/government, since the strikers weren't from the NUM?
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Who told you they didn't have rubber bullets & teargas? Do you have a source for that?
All the media articles I read said that the police had been using rubber bullets and teargas all day to try and disperse the rioters.
 
Just a stupid question. At place N, how does he not know that the person that died there was killed by a rival union? Why does that person have to have been killed by a policeman? Am I missing something?
 
Garyvdh said:
Who told you they didn't have rubber bullets & teargas? Do you have a source for that?
All the media articles I read said that the police had been using rubber bullets and teargas all day to try and disperse the rioters.
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Let's see your sources.
 
biometrics said:
Am I the only one that thinks that the police had orders to shoot to kill that day?

They had assault rifles, not rubber bullets & teargas.

Could this have been orders from the ANC/government, since the strikers weren't from the NUM/Cosatu?
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I doubt it was a union war. After the killing of a cop and two security guards i am sure rubber bullets and teargas were scrapped. order must have come from somewhere.

As far as i know police were banned from using rubber bullets on crowds because of a death at one of the TUT's about a year ago.
 
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