'I asked them if my dad fought back'

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Lita Fourie visited the Kutuma Sinthumule Correctional Facility to get some answers. She wanted to ask her father's attackers if the 77-year-old tried to fight back. She wanted to know why the two men tortured her parents for five hours before killing them.
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When they entered their home, Malamela and Mokwena were waiting for them. What followed were several hours of torture for the elderly couple.

They held John in the bath and poured scolding hot water down his throat. They also shot him several times.

They then shot Bina three times with a .22 rifle and left her to bleed to death.

They finally killed her husband by blowing the top of his head off with a high-powered rifle.
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Sick creatures, not worthy of being called human beings. With surnames like that, there's no guessing their skin colour.

The court found the two men guilty of murder and sentenced them to 50 years each.
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What happened to life imprisonment?

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Only 50 years? I would have sentanced them to public mutelation and torture every day for 50 years(if they lived that long). Give them medical care just so they can be tortured a bit more.
 
Thats the problem, theres no fear of death when it comes to retrabution of the law.
 
Lita .. a very brave woman to confront her parents killers like that.

I also notice that she does not mention any evidence of a wider conspiracy against white farmers but we are dealing with isolated attacks perpretated by individuals because farmers in rural are rather easy targets and are perceived to be wealthy.

The brutality of these attacks must be explained in some way and sadly "we were drunk" does not explain it.
 
Vio said:
Thats the problem, theres no fear of death when it comes to retrabution of the law.
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When you have nothing to live for then death is actually meaningless not and feared at all ... refer to several interviews done with of car hijackers.
 
That might be true. But if you had the death penalty or somthing like that atleast it would make sure they dont do whatever they did again after the goverment releases them.

I still think having nothing to live for is better than day to day torture in prison and/or for public display. lol
 
supersunbird said:
They did it for kicks, like those kids that tortured the mouse...
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So they are mentally sick then and need professional help ???.
 
yes, but since these guys where probably over 18 and more cognicent of their behaviour, they need a long that 50 year jailtime AND professional help so they dont torture other prisoners or somesuch...
 
Vio said:
That might be true. But if you had the death penalty or somthing like that atleast it would make sure they dont do whatever they did again after the goverment releases them.

I still think having nothing to live for is better than day to day torture in prison and/or for public display. lol
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I don't want to turn this into a debate on the death penalty, but the basic fact is that what gives us the right to take the life of those who take lives, are we then not just as bad as them.

Also the death penalty and harsher sentences are not a deterrent to this kind of behaviour - we have to sort out the problem at the root of it ( a culture change perhaps - I am not sure )

I have had the "priveledge" - for want of a better word of spending time inside a prison( I was not an inmate though and can't tell of the horrors I did not see ) , and let me tell you it is no picnic
 
Let me put it to you like this. The victim of a violent crime's family has a right to justice. Life imprisonment to a person that commits torture and murder is not giving the victim and his or her family justice..., the sentance is too light.

As far as I am concerned the moment someone violates the law they forfeit their rights as a citizen of this country and become nothing more than a cancer that needs to be removed and exterminated.

I feel very strongly about this. Fine no death penalty, but how about life imprisonment + 15 public lashings a month with a proper whip.

The goal of punishment should not be rehabilitation but rather justice and the denial of dignity.
 
Nothing gives anyone the right to take another person's life.

The fact is the justice system as it stands does not act as a deterrent, so I think the death penalty will partially do that. If a guy knows he will be put to death by taking another person's life, instead of maybe being able to be set loose in a week or two, he may just think again before committing murder.

The social change and prison system is what the gub and all their infinite wisdom must sort out and cater for. Prison reform is a well known suggestion.

I don't do crime because I dont want to go to prison. Bottomline.

To put it in harsh terms, the moment someone wants to kill someone else, then they can just as well kill themselves, commit suicide, and let their own family go through the experience. This is how afraid they must be to commit murder, especially in such an inhumane way. Not even animals are such beasts!
 
We all know the Prison system doesn't work, so I propose a new system, once a person is convicted of a crime, then we label him ( tatoo on the forehead or something ) and send them back out to the public , and let the public decide what to do with them :mad:
 
Tatoos can be easily removed. It will also create a stigma around people who like tatoos.

Also if they are released into society and they are shun by society then it will lead to them commiting more crime.

The best way is too "put them to sleep".
 
You don't want to give criminals a hard time after they commited a crime. You want to put a fear into them so great that they won't commit a crime in the first place.
 
Vio said:
Tatoos can be easily removed. It will also create a stigma around people who like tatoos.

Also if they are released into society and they are shun by society then it will lead to them commiting more crime.

The best way is too "put them to sleep".
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Okay then, maybe another solution, they used it in Rwanda after the Genocide, those responsible for the Genocide are sent back to the communities where they killed people and the people of these communities hold a hearing and sentence the perps

Here for instance, if a person commits a crime in Garsfontein, the people of Garsfontein, including the victims or their families hold a hearing and sentence him.

could reduce the current backlog in our courts
 
You must never cercumvent the courts as soon as you do that you are ignoring the rule of law and decend into tribalism.

The problem is simple, the sentances are not harsh enough. I mean just look at the Islamic countries. These guys will leave gold jewelry outside on the side walk on a table un attended and no one will dare steal it.
 
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It's coz they too busy trying to catch a glimpse of the women.... ;)
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Oh man, wot to do, wot to do... :(
 
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