comparison between sa today and zimbabwe

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At the end of the first decade of our Independence, it became clear that our revolution was fast losing track. An avaricious nationalistic clique had abandoned the ideals of the liberation struggle. Corruption began to flourish. Our nation's political leadership began to lose their focus. The labour movement came under pressure from the workers to de-link itself from that ruling elite. The ZCTU declared its autonomy from Zanu PF. We were informed and guided by the workers whose welfare was now on the block.
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found this on a great blog. they are the words of Morgan Tsvangirai President of the Movement for Democratic Change in Zimbabwe.

It chilled me to see how similiar out country is heading when i read this little snippet.

read the full speech here
 
It chills me to observe people who are unable to differentiate.

If you take everything into consideration you will see that there is very little comparison between SA today and Zimbabwe.

But I guess anything can look like anything else if you only compare the similarities and ignore all the differences.

Textbook paranoia.
 
Don't you think you are all being a bit cynical.

Zim has inflation of over 1000%, we have inflation of under 6%.

In Zimbabwe, it is impossible to get various forms of food for months on end, while in SA you can get just about anything you want.

The problem of Zimbabwe is Bob. I do not believe that in the ranks of SA, we have anyone quite so meglomaniac. Perhaps Zuma might exhibit such behaviour were he to get into power, but at the moment, that seems quite unlikely.

If we work on the happy premise that our next president will be someone like Phumzile or Cyril, the future of SA should be safe for another five to ten years - at least from the crippling corruption that Zimbabwe faces.

I also don't think that the emerging black middle class would allow someone to remain in power that long, while destroying the country - they have too much to lose, and would oppose such a move.

While in SA, the labour movement is also under pressure to delink itself from the ruling elite, the consequences would be far different, since we have a working democracy.

Let's get this clear: Zimbabwe has never had a free and fair election ever! From the time that Britain handed over Rhodesia, and the first election was held, there was voter intimidation and corruption. For example: Zanu-PF spread the rumour that they had imported a machine from Romania which told them who citizens voted for, and if you didn't vote for Zanu, they would come after you. (Source: P. Stiff; Cry Zimbabwe).

The differences between ZA and Zim are great; much, much greater than the similarities.
 
As long as the ANC does not loose support i am pretty sure we will be ok. When they start loosing support the fun starts .... African chiefs don;t like uncertainty...
 
I got told of the most incredible difference between .za and .zw last night at the ice rink while talking to the minders of a bunch of school kids that are on a week-long tour: their kids (as in kids in general from .zw) attach no value to coins and readily toss/give 'em away; which, when you consider R5 coins can add up to non-trivial amounts a lot faster than you'd think! But the reason for this? It seems that seeing as they have only paper money, children today simply don't get to see coins.
 
try start this thread from zim as a zimmy, and then u`ll notice the difference
 
Can someone compile a complete list of real world similarities between the two countries...
 
At the end of the first decade of our Independence, it became clear that our revolution was fast losing track. An avaricious nationalistic clique had abandoned the ideals of the liberation struggle. Corruption began to flourish. Our nation's political leadership began to lose their focus. The labour movement came under pressure from the workers to de-link itself from that ruling elite. The ZCTU declared its autonomy from Zanu PF. We were informed and guided by the workers whose welfare was now on the block.
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this snippet is about zimbabwe after their ten years of independence. that is where south africa is currently.

doesnt it seem chilling the same where we are ten years after our democratic **** 10 years ago.

so for the guys who still dont understand i am not comparing south africa to zimbabwe now... geez paranoid is vastly different to stupidity.
 
We've had a Zimbabwean friend of ours staying with us for a few days recently.

He was telling us about a public protest he stumbled on in JHB. He says when he saw the cops arrive, he didn't even think about it, he just turned around and RAN like the wind.

He says that after running for a bit, he realised he was alone, that no-one else had run away like he had. He said it was then that he remembered he was in South Africa, and not Zimbabwe.

I know SA could turn into another Zimbabwe, that is certainly a possibility. But so could any other country turn into another Zim.

I don't deny that there have been moves by the Mbeki government to centralise power in the executive ('the executive' is the president and cabinet - ie. the ministers), and I know that democracy in SA is certainly not the best in the world. But that being said, SA is still a far far cry from turning into Zimbabwe. However, we must remain ever vigilant, PARTICULARLY when it comes to issues surrounding freedom of the press and freedom of expression. because once those freedoms are gone, then we will truly be powerless and 'another Zim' would be all the more likely to happen.
 
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