raoul
04-12-2006, 01:36 PM
http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Rugby/0,,2-9-838_2039912,00.html
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Angelo
04-12-2006, 01:55 PM
"I think the quota system has hindered the transformation process"
How much is the quota, I hardly ever see 4 black players starting for the Springboks. If there's no transformation without rules enforcing it how worse will the situation get when those rules are taken away?
How much is the quota, I hardly ever see 4 black players starting for the Springboks. If there's no transformation without rules enforcing it how worse will the situation get when those rules are taken away?
DigitalSoldier
04-12-2006, 02:04 PM
How much is the quota, I hardly ever see 4 black players starting for the Springboks. If there's no transformation without rules enforcing it how worse will the situation get when those rules are taken away?
Do you watch rugby ? theres been matches this year with more black than white players.
Its been said before politics and sport DONT mix
Do you watch rugby ? theres been matches this year with more black than white players.
Its been said before politics and sport DONT mix
kingrob
04-12-2006, 02:04 PM
How much is the quota, I hardly ever see 4 black players starting for the Springboks. If there's no transformation without rules enforcing it how worse will the situation get when those rules are taken away?
Why are we not seeing any white players in soccer games anymore? :confused:
Or are they excluded from the transformation process?
Why are we not seeing any white players in soccer games anymore? :confused:
Or are they excluded from the transformation process?
mancombseepgood
04-12-2006, 04:02 PM
How much is the quota, I hardly ever see 4 black players starting for the Springboks. If there's no transformation without rules enforcing it how worse will the situation get when those rules are taken away?
We may just see SA sporting players based on merit - what is this world coming to.
We may just see SA sporting players based on merit - what is this world coming to.
Leitmotif
04-12-2006, 04:11 PM
Why are we not seeing any white players in soccer games anymore? :confused:
Or are they excluded from the transformation process?
They are excluded *by* the transformation process.
My R 0.02
Or are they excluded from the transformation process?
They are excluded *by* the transformation process.
My R 0.02
Omac
04-12-2006, 04:15 PM
Transformation has never been touted as anything but the assisted advancement of "previously disadvantaged" (read non-white) players. In soccer it was not and is not neccessary!
If you would like to motivate for assisted advancement of previously advantaged players in soccer, go ahead. I think it's a different thread though.:cool:
If you would like to motivate for assisted advancement of previously advantaged players in soccer, go ahead. I think it's a different thread though.:cool:
VJB 449
04-12-2006, 10:41 PM
How much is the quota, I hardly ever see 4 black players starting for the Springboks. If there's no transformation without rules enforcing it how worse will the situation get when those rules are taken away?
How do you come to the conclusion that there is no transformation? Ever watched a rugby match before?
How do you come to the conclusion that there is no transformation? Ever watched a rugby match before?
mancombseepgood
05-12-2006, 08:11 AM
http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Rugby/0,,2-9-838_2039912,00.html
Who's your Chiliboy? :D
Who's your Chiliboy? :D
mancombseepgood
05-12-2006, 08:13 AM
Transformation has never been touted as anything but the assisted advancement of "previously disadvantaged" (read non-white) players. In soccer it was not and is not neccessary!
If you would like to motivate for assisted advancement of previously advantaged players in soccer, go ahead. I think it's a different thread though.:cool:
currently disadvantaged vs previously disadvantaged... but let's not go there... (that was a stupid joke) :D
actually previously disadvantaged go to further disadvantaged with quota systems. Those that shine are looked upon as charity cases.
If you would like to motivate for assisted advancement of previously advantaged players in soccer, go ahead. I think it's a different thread though.:cool:
currently disadvantaged vs previously disadvantaged... but let's not go there... (that was a stupid joke) :D
actually previously disadvantaged go to further disadvantaged with quota systems. Those that shine are looked upon as charity cases.
derekc
05-12-2006, 08:18 AM
now Stofile is annoyed white played Chiliboy as captain because this, that etc...what a loser. They just moan moan moan cos they hate White.
wizdumb
05-12-2006, 12:43 PM
i think they can transform as much as they like, but not at national level...
...no matter how much pride i have for the boks, if they continue to play k@k, my support wil go the same route as their game
...no matter how much pride i have for the boks, if they continue to play k@k, my support wil go the same route as their game
Omac
05-12-2006, 01:08 PM
now Stofile is annoyed white played Chiliboy as captain because this, that etc...what a loser. They just moan moan moan cos they hate White.
Ambiguous :D And hate is a strong word.
I haven't read any comments from Stofile re this issue, but it does not suprise me that he would be upset. I think Jake had a brain fart.
Chilli did not deserve to be named Captain of a team wearing Springbok kit. Then to announce that at half time the captaincy would be given to Gary Botha, smacks of tokenism. Jakes only defence can be that it was not a test match!
I think there was a lot of one upmanship at the Bulls and his detractors, by Jake, after Wednesdays vote of confidence. If I'm right, Jake had better not continue to use the Springboks to send personal messages. It will explode in his face.
Ambiguous :D And hate is a strong word.
I haven't read any comments from Stofile re this issue, but it does not suprise me that he would be upset. I think Jake had a brain fart.
Chilli did not deserve to be named Captain of a team wearing Springbok kit. Then to announce that at half time the captaincy would be given to Gary Botha, smacks of tokenism. Jakes only defence can be that it was not a test match!
I think there was a lot of one upmanship at the Bulls and his detractors, by Jake, after Wednesdays vote of confidence. If I'm right, Jake had better not continue to use the Springboks to send personal messages. It will explode in his face.
efitol
11-12-2006, 06:40 PM
i wish he'd mention who exactly hes referring to that hindered the team? that would be entertaining ;)
lilDeath
12-12-2006, 02:37 PM
You mean it isn't entertaining enough? It's a tragic comedy.
Bageloo
13-12-2006, 06:22 PM
during apartheid soccer was the only major sport that involoved all races. there were white players in black teams and vice versa. Somehow the white players have abondoned soccer (except for the goalies). i wonder why? white teams have all but disappeared. and all this happens after apartheid! when the springboks won the WC in '95 there was a feeling of togetherness. they were even nivknamed in the townships "amabokoboko". I don't see/feel that anymore, the irony is that there is more black players in the springbok now than then. frankly I don't see the need for quotas and I think it defeats the whole purpose of sport. Anyone who has played sport knows that there's no better way of killing the team spirit than to have players selected based on other reasons other than current form and merit. ditto springboks.
A team just does not function properly under such conditions. Instead of imposing quotas how about the GVT spends more money and effort on sports development in the townships and rural areas. This might generate enough talent to walk into any team without any assistance from a quota system.
A team just does not function properly under such conditions. Instead of imposing quotas how about the GVT spends more money and effort on sports development in the townships and rural areas. This might generate enough talent to walk into any team without any assistance from a quota system.
mancombseepgood
13-12-2006, 06:58 PM
politics. it's about promises and votes.
Omac
13-12-2006, 07:52 PM
Instead of imposing quotas how about the GVT spends more money and effort on sports development in the townships and rural areas. This might generate enough talent to walk into any team without any assistance from a quota system.
I think the point is that the sporting codes that are professional should be taking care of this. Hence governments excuse for interfering in sport. Rugby is one of the most visible and therefore a target.
Quota's are bs. But the administrators of rugby over the last 12 years must should the blame for politics still interfering in the sport. They were obstructive and treated the sport as their own for so long. The current crop of administrators appear to be doing a better job.
By now, we should be world beaters. SA increased the potential player base by a fair shake more than double.
The previous administrators did not try hard enough. I think they barely tried at all.
I think the point is that the sporting codes that are professional should be taking care of this. Hence governments excuse for interfering in sport. Rugby is one of the most visible and therefore a target.
Quota's are bs. But the administrators of rugby over the last 12 years must should the blame for politics still interfering in the sport. They were obstructive and treated the sport as their own for so long. The current crop of administrators appear to be doing a better job.
By now, we should be world beaters. SA increased the potential player base by a fair shake more than double.
The previous administrators did not try hard enough. I think they barely tried at all.