Lack of competition for OS'es...Microsoft

Boodles

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When is microsoft going to get some real competition?

Computer shops have windows installed, and thats it. And thats all i see. I've yet to walk into a shop and find computers that consist of linux, or any other OS. Is ther any other OS?

Vista - what a joke. As we go through the last 10 years or so windows gives us a better OS, or so they say. Now we going for Vista, that has premium, basic, medium etc. So microsoft are now going to screw us even more by offereing us the same OS that we have been buying for the last few years, at a much, much higher price. Boy, we really getting screwed.

Linux, i've been introduced to it, and have thrown the bath out with the bath water, or is that the other way around. Anyway, you need lessons on how to use it. Or perhaps, it just takes longer to learn how to use it. I spent about 10hours on it the other day. Thats' 10 hours of high blood pressure & wanting to smash my keyboard. In the end i achieved nothing and got nowhere. But i've kept it on other hdd, i will use it from time to time in order to learn about it.

Its not like windows where its more user friendly, and thats linux's downfall.
Microsfts OS'es have been around for um, 12-15 years or something like that. Imagine having that sort of rule. Great for microsoft, not great for consumers.

Something like 'openoffice' - I dont see why shops dont give this CD away with every PC purchased. Why not?

Perhaps there is some business type arrangement with ALL PC stores will only have windows? I sometimes see PC shops give you as part of a bundle with a PC,microsoft office, which why cant they give you OPenoffice?

Rumours somewhere on the net that google could/would make an OS? Jeeze, like, i wish they would.

I mean is vista is 'real' improvement on its previous oSes? Is it value for money?

Linux, i cannot see making any type of significant grounds on capturing the market. i just cant. If they were to make sigficant inroads, it would be to late as i'm sure we will have more competetion soon from someone. (i hope)

Perhaps linuxs' business model is not for mass usage.

Why arent PC shops being more proactive in Linux? And in particular with something like open office, which is great for a small business - and there are plenty of these around. Why does/should joe bloggs hairdressing salon have to go and buy microsoft office?

Anyway, the new manipulative Vista, will be doing just that - its designed to rip you off, whether you buy the gold edition, or the basic. And the other OS choices are............oh yes, nearly forgot, linux.

Just a pity linux aint more user friendly.
 
I dont mean to sound flippant but buy a Mac ;)

:D
 
Linux is growing very quickly.

I installed Linux for a disabled kid, he was given not much money to buy a PC, the cost didn't cover a legal copy of XP.

I installed Ubuntu on and in 15 mins he was able to put his memory stick in, work in Open Office, save his data in MS Word format for printing at the school and customise settings and get the feel for everything.

The next week he came to me and asked for a copy of Norton AV for Linux and I laughed and asked why. He explained he wanted to keep his computer clean from viruses! I explained that there aren't really any viruses for Linux and he was amazed.

Anyway, eventually he came and asked where he could buy XP from.

Anyway, the main reason he wanted to switch to Windows was because he wanted to play DVDs and games etc;

This is a good example of where Linux needs to make headway in. Ok don't go on and tell me you can run them in Wine or Cedega (sp?) and you can download the DVD packages yadda yadda.

When Linux has plug and play software, when you can plug your new Nokia cellphone in, put the CD int he drive and click next a few times and run your app, then it'll be where M$ is.

It's a bad circle, because Linux needs better software and hardware support from vendors, but alot of vendors don't support Linux because it's not popular, yadda yadda.
 
I dont know anything about the Mac's. So can i go any buy the OS somewhere or something? And then just load it on my PC?
 
Sure, look the basics are straight forward on ubuntu, but not everything is easy.

But, why arent PC shops promoting/pushing for linux usage?
 
Yeah, newer Macs use Intel CPUs and AFAIK it's a very similar architecture.

OSX86 can be installed on PCs, but you need a modded copy, I'm not sure about the details on this as I've not tried it myself.

I dont know anything about the Mac's. So can i go any buy the OS somewhere or something? And then just load it on my PC?
 
There are some shops, very few.

It's not mainstream enough, it won't sell that easy to the average Joe, not yet.

Sure, look the basics are straight forward on ubuntu, but not everything is easy.

But, why arent PC shops promoting/pushing for linux usage?
 
I really wanna try linux but for every article I read that convinces me to give it a go I find 2 more that kill that thought. I think you're absolutely right when you say that when linux has plug n play functionality like windows then only will they take a SIGNIFICANT part of the OS market, until then the average user will stick to windows. I mean heck whats the use of having an OS that cant play games or DVDs out the box.
 
A lot of big OEM's, Dell etc. get charged a windows licence by MS for every PC they sell, whether it has windows installed or not, so its sometimes actually more expensive to buy a PC with linux from them. Thats in the States anywy, not sure about here.
 
I read an article about a guy who denied the EULA when he booted his Dell. He phoned up Dell and eventually got a refund on XP and handed the CD back, he didn't want to pay the "Microsoft tax" as he was never going to use it.

A lot of big OEM's, Dell etc. get charged a windows licence by MS for every PC they sell, whether it has windows installed or not, so its sometimes actually more expensive to buy a PC with linux from them. Thats in the States anywy, not sure about here.
 
Linux is growing very quickly.

I installed Linux for a disabled kid, he was given not much money to buy a PC, the cost didn't cover a legal copy of XP.

I installed Ubuntu on and in 15 mins he was able to put his memory stick in, work in Open Office, save his data in MS Word format for printing at the school and customise settings and get the feel for everything.

The next week he came to me and asked for a copy of Norton AV for Linux and I laughed and asked why. He explained he wanted to keep his computer clean from viruses! I explained that there aren't really any viruses for Linux and he was amazed.

Anyway, eventually he came and asked where he could buy XP from.

Anyway, the main reason he wanted to switch to Windows was because he wanted to play DVDs and games etc;

This is a good example of where Linux needs to make headway in. Ok don't go on and tell me you can run them in Wine or Cedega (sp?) and you can download the DVD packages yadda yadda.

When Linux has plug and play software, when you can plug your new Nokia cellphone in, put the CD int he drive and click next a few times and run your app, then it'll be where M$ is.

It's a bad circle, because Linux needs better software and hardware support from vendors, but alot of vendors don't support Linux because it's not popular, yadda yadda.
You've given a wonderful example of how Linux is simply not a replacement for Windows.

We buy Windows because just about everyone has it, the drivers work with it and it is almost as good a OSX:D

Using Linux is like being a vegetarian. You can survive, but life will always be a struggle.

I dont know anything about the Mac's. So can i go any buy the OS somewhere or something? And then just load it on my PC?
OSX contains code that looks for a special chip in an Apple PC. If you haven't got an Apple the OS won't work. Apple hardware is just like a PC, apart from this little extra chip.

You can buy pirated Apple OSX for PC's, but it would suffer the next time an update is required and I don't think it is fully working yet. My old maxim - if you're going to buy any software, make sure it's the Operating System.
 
Using Linux is like being a vegetarian. You can survive, but life will always be a struggle.

Oh really? I sit an laugh while my windows counterparts struggle to get their wireless to work :D

I actually think that the only downfall is software (and games - dvds can be played afaik with a codec) - which I think will be fixed over time, maybe shuttleworth should by a gameing studio ;)
 
Games/dvds on Mac - whats the story?

Hardware upgrades for mac?

I'd rather have my own pc where i can 'test' different OS'es rather than having a mac pc - and i'm stuck with that.
 
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You can play DVDs and other video formats on a Linux box, no problem.

The problem, however is that a lot of codecs are patented technologies.

Ubuntu don't ship DVD/WMV/DIVX support in their distro because of the legal issues.

This is one of the major issues with competition in the OS market, choice. Why should I be forced to use Windows to play back a WMV encoded video clip I got emailed from mom? Why should I feel like a criminal for downloading the DVD decoding packages to play a DVD that I legally bought in Linux?

This is the problem with companies like Microsoft and standard such as DVD, WMV (insert common format here) they are not just luxuries anymore, computers are basic tools for business and home use, I should be able to play back, edit, manipulate content legally in whatever operating system I am comfortable using.

Hmmph @ closed source, patents and vendor lock-in.

Oh really? I sit an laugh while my windows counterparts struggle to get their wireless to work :D

I actually think that the only downfall is software (and games - dvds can be played afaik with a codec) - which I think will be fixed over time, maybe shuttleworth should by a gameing studio ;)
 
Games/dvds on Mac - whats the story?
You do get games for Macs. Even more coming now that they use an Intel Chip.

DVDs play well on OSX. There are some issues with burning speed on their SuperDrives I hasten to add:mad:

Hardware upgrades for mac?
The Apple computer lineup is a bit odd.
Apart from laptops (which have the same upgradeability issues as you have with any manufacturer) you get the Mini - very small, no good for games and hard to upgrade.
Then the iMac , unless you ask for extra video memory or bigger HDD etc at the start, only memory is upgradeable.

Finally, the MacPro : ultra-fast, ultra-expensive and fully upgradeable. The HDD can be replaced easily, but you need to put it in a Mac casing I believe.

I'd rather have my own pc where i can 'test' different OS'es rather than having a mac pc - and i'm stuck with that.
You can load dual-boot Win XP using BootCamp. I think you can also load Linux, but why bother since OSX is UNIX based anyway and it works a hellava lot better than LINUX.
 
So as it stands the options for OS'es are:

windows - easy to use, very common.
linux - free, requires understanding of how it works. Games/dvds is an issue
Mac - need to purchase the mac PC as well.OS is easy to use.

Thats how i understand it from what you guy have posted.

So, in terms of getting a reasonably easy to use operating system, that supports the common tasks for users today - its only microsoft.

Thats how i see it, and its a sorry state that no-one is takling microsoft head on.
 
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