Moaners and groaners begone

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http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1522-2012_2058358

NEGATIVE PEOPLE full of gripes and hang-ups should never, ever try their hand at day trading, swing trading or investment on the JSE. They should focus on sending ridiculous letters and e-mails full of file and misplaced personal experience to newspaper and internet pages.
However, outright bears that prefer to play short trades, are a completely different class of person and shouldn't be confused with the negatives - they're also called Aunties, because they're anti everything.

For obvious reasons, day traders should always prefer the short side of the market. Ten successive days of modest increases in share prices are usually followed by one or two days of quite violent corrections, which are more profitable and easier to spot by the day trader.

But negative people full of hang-ups are just a joke. We've experienced some fascinating comment on FIN24 over the past week. I was perhaps a bit overoptimistic in picking Telkom as a possible good performer over the next 12 months. TMTs are again quite popular worldwide, and Telkom, with its 50% stake in Vodacom and fixed-line business that's apparently valued at less than R20bn, appears to be cheap.

We received one nice and well-argued reply on why my forward price target of R180/share was rather rich and I've taken serious note of the content.

Convert into money

Though most of the other comments were pure rubbish, Telkom should take note of the extreme negative perception of its business. One joker predicted that the price of Telkom would shortly drop to R1/share due to its high fees and inept management. Another went even a bit further and predicted that the SA economy was on the verge of a complete collapse because of the high price of the ADSL service. That would drive all new business to other countries.

Nice strong views, you chaps have. But please convert them into money. Short the hell out of Telkom shares and "sommer" the whole SA economy. What's the value of such strong views without converting them into money?

For decades many in South Africa have been complaining about the expensive petrol that Sasol sells. Sasol was started with government money and they now owe it to the public to sell cheap petrol instead of making super profits that's paid out as excessive dividends to shareholders.

The CEOs of successful companies are also invariably paid too much. Stop moaning, my friends. Joe Stegmann, founder and CEO of the modern Sasol, made it very clear on numerous occasions that Sasol's mission is to produce and supplement fuel for SA - it wasn't created to provide cheap petrol for the SA motorist.

The current dividend on a small investment in Sasol shares at 400c as recent as 25 years ago will now pay for a comfortable and cost-free drive in your current V8 4x4. Convert your gripes into profits.

Smokes cost more

Back to Telkom and its excessively high prices for ADSL and the eventual collapse of the company and the SA economy. Trader Vic and his family were one of the first to enjoy home ADSL in Pretoria. The basic cost of a 3G line is currently between R362 and R516/month - the lowest since introduction five years ago. At a minimal cost of less than R3 000 our house is currently a wireless hub and five computers enjoy 24-hour internet access.

In our household the cost of ADSL is less than what the average bloke spends on smokes every month and much less than our average spend on wine - and in that respect we don't even have expensive tastes, just large appetites.

My employers - Finweek and FIN24 - clearly value productivity as more important than a daily count of people behind their desks and has allowed seniors such as myself, Marc Hasenfuss (in Kommetjie) and Shaun Harris (somewhere in Durban) to work from home and save millions in fuel costs, frustration and time on SA's over-clogged roads.

The cost of ADSL is minute against that convenience, savings and increase in productivity.

ADSL in SA is apparently more expensive than in most developed countries worldwide. We don't argue that point. KFC and McDonald's are apparently cheaper in SA. But in the average household, and also in small and medium businesses, ADSL is an excellent buy and it won't destroy the competitiveness of your little business just because it's cheaper in Singapore.

Of free markets...

Trader Vic and all traders always welcome a free market, but if somebody - mostly government - does interfere, people should focus on the rules and how to profit from them.

Last year I called for an immediate two percentage points hike in interest rates. There was an immediate outcry and a call for differential interest rates. Subsidise mortgages, total advances of more than R600bn, and penalise credit cards, total advances less than R50bn, were the popular and most vocal calls.

Trader Vic would welcome such a stupidity. It would revitalise the nice old grey market in money and create some wonderful opportunities to make profits. Call me a pig or any other nice word, but I'll always try to profit from stupid rules and don't moralise about the spirit of the rules. It doesn't pay the bills.

...and insurance premiums

I see that the short-term insurance companies are going to hike their rates. It's a good sign. Their pricing power is improving and the silly, excessive competition that harmed profits over the past two years is something of the past.

This should be very good for the share prices of Mutual & Federal and Santam. Buy a few and the rise in your premium can be converted into a nice profit instead of something new to moan and groan about.

One of the early moaners has already posted an opinion that government is directly to blame for the rise in insurance premiums. But please don't try to follow his logic.
 
Trader Vic and his family were one of the first to enjoy home ADSL in Pretoria. The basic cost of a 3G line is currently between R362 and R516/month
Yeah - I'll take advice between a guy who doesnt know the difference between 3G and ADSL.
But in the average household, and also in small and medium businesses, ADSL is an excellent buy and it won't destroy the competitiveness of your little business just because it's cheaper in Singapore.
ADSL is too expensive - I dont really care how you want to try and justify it - it costs too much! ADSL should be affordable by everyone's standards not just over-paid self-opinionated newspaper columnists.
 
My employers - Finweek and FIN24 - clearly value productivity as more important than a daily count of people behind their desks and has allowed seniors such as myself, Marc Hasenfuss (in Kommetjie) and Shaun Harris (somewhere in Durban) to work from home and save millions in fuel costs, frustration and time on SA's over-clogged roads.

Let me guess they pay for your ADSL as well.
 
Can't we put together a proper media briefing sheet and send it to all the major press associations so that the journos can get the terminology right?
 
Nickname: tc
Subject: Nonsense.
Message: Really scraping the bottom of the barrell with sruff to write about here. I am right you are wrong nananananananana.
Please give your reader a bit more credit for some brain and get rid of trader dick.I hope you have the balls to publish this.
Date Inserted: 1/23/2007 8:55:09 AM

One of the feedback comments.
 
Wow the comments really did seem to bug him didn't they :)

He is normally boringly level headed... he lost it on this one. Sounds like one of those people who doesn't like being told he is wrong.
 
Back to Telkom and its excessively high prices for ADSL and the eventual collapse of the company and the SA economy. Trader Vic and his family were one of the first to enjoy home ADSL in Pretoria. The basic cost of a 3G line is currently between R362 and R516/month - the lowest since introduction five years ago. At a minimal cost of less than R3 000 our house is currently a wireless hub and five computers enjoy 24-hour internet access.

In our household the cost of ADSL is less than what the average bloke spends on smokes every month and much less than our average spend on wine - and in that respect we don't even have expensive tastes, just large appetites.
Good to know that the average household in SA consists of chain-smoking winos who spend one half of their income on booze and cigarettes and the other half on a ADSL line. I know that the 'burbs of Pretoria are going to pot, but Trader Dick should really consider moving.
 
My employers - Finweek and FIN24 - clearly value productivity as more important than a daily count of people behind their desks and has allowed seniors such as myself, Marc Hasenfuss (in Kommetjie) and Shaun Harris (somewhere in Durban) to work from home and save millions in fuel costs, frustration and time on SA's over-clogged roads.
Why do I think the real reason is to keep the sanctimony away from the office?
 
Its all and well when you can justify the cost from a business perspective, but I struggle to justify R600/ month (384+3GB) on a monthly basis. Considering that my in laws in Rural Ireland get better service ( three times the speed, three times the cap)for a third of the cost I consider what we pay for to be extortionate no matter who the service provider is.
 
Realtity is that if Telkom got its act together, its shareprice would rocket.

At present the Telkom share price is almost 80% (if I remember correctly Vodacom) and 20% Telkom.

Just think what could happen to the TK share price if they could move it to a 50/50 ratio!
 
Said like a true Previously Advantaged Individual who by his own admission will rape and pillage anything for a profit.

Support the companies that have a good business for fleecing their customers by investing in them to hedge to cost of your own requirements.

Not a bad investment strategy, but morally flawed.
 
One joker predicted that the price of Telkom would shortly drop to R1/share due to its high fees and inept management. Another went even a bit further and predicted that the SA economy was on the verge of a complete collapse because of the high price of the ADSL service. That would drive all new business to other countries.

Sounds like folks from myadsl.co.za ... but he is right ... these remarks are just being patently stupid :).
 
Shame trader vic doesn't realise that the moaning about adsl prices are a subset of a larger problem.

What he doesn't reckon into his little all seeing eye is that ALL bandwidth in south africa is so expensive that we cannot create a digital society because large enterprises/smme's/ppl can't afford the costs of the bandwidth that would enable the society to climb out of a dark africa outlook.

Trader vic. U poor little sod.
 
2 articles from the same guy in about a week, both unilaterally in support of TELKOM and failing to look at a bigger picture, why?
No balance whatsoever.

But in the average household, and also in small and medium businesses, ADSL is an excellent buy and it won't destroy the competitiveness of your little business just because it's cheaper in Singapore.
That would depend on the business would it not Vic? Take you blinkers off please.
On a bigger scale look at SALT, call centers and the investment they would bring not to mention the business that we have lost as a country due to inflated telecoms costs. Reuters being the last ones to go on record and cite telecoms cost as the main reason they did not invest.
My employers - Finweek and FIN24 - clearly value productivity as more important than a daily count of people behind their desks and has allowed seniors such as myself, Marc Hasenfuss (in Kommetjie) and Shaun Harris (somewhere in Durban) to work from home and save millions in fuel costs, frustration and time on SA's over-clogged roads.
Millions,,, really wtf do you drive, a space shuttle?
The cost of ADSL is minute against that convenience, savings and increase in productivity.
Some people require more than just text flickering across their screens to make a living, this requires bandwidth, bandwidth is expensive(understatement), can you see where this leads too?
Just because your needs are satisfied this does not mean that now all of a sudden everyone else should use the same benchmark. Data is the lifeblood of the internet, there is more to it than just email, I promise you.

My monthly expenditure on 'smokes' as you put it is zero, 0, nada.
I bought 2 bottles of Pinotage almost 3 months ago, above average price but they are both still there.
 
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