Microsoft Vista innovative, not revolutionary

all the bells and whistles, at a price of course. ;)
 
No Thanks. Will wait till the bugs are worked out, SP1 i hope.

WinXP SP2 is still the best :)

Cheers
BB :)
 
if it truly was revolutionary then we would all be complaining about how we miss our control panel, and wtf is the start menu, and why cant i do this.

guys, seriously, software+the installed userbase of applications has totally broken the concept of being revolutionary in anything. think about it. being revolutionary would mean breaking interoperability (almost 100%) with installed programs, retraining 5 billion secretaries/office workers/data input clerks.

the programming guys would need to get new degrees too.

in fact, you would probably alienate everybody except the 2% of hardcore geeks who are happy that a "revolutionary" new OS from microsoft has launched.

so just forget revolutionary. it isnt going to happen. be realistic
 
if it truly was revolutionary then we would all be complaining about how we miss our control panel, and wtf is the start menu, and why cant i do this.

guys, seriously, software+the installed userbase of applications has totally broken the concept of being revolutionary in anything. think about it. being revolutionary would mean breaking interoperability (almost 100%) with installed programs, retraining 5 billion secretaries/office workers/data input clerks.

the programming guys would need to get new degrees too.

in fact, you would probably alienate everybody except the 2% of hardcore geeks who are happy that a "revolutionary" new OS from microsoft has launched.

so just forget revolutionary. it isnt going to happen. be realistic
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Very nice points made, I fully agree!
 
werner said:
if it truly was revolutionary then we would all be complaining about how we miss our control panel, and wtf is the start menu, and why cant i do this.

guys, seriously, software+the installed userbase of applications has totally broken the concept of being revolutionary in anything. think about it. being revolutionary would mean breaking interoperability (almost 100%) with installed programs, retraining 5 billion secretaries/office workers/data input clerks.

the programming guys would need to get new degrees too.

in fact, you would probably alienate everybody except the 2% of hardcore geeks who are happy that a "revolutionary" new OS from microsoft has launched.

so just forget revolutionary. it isnt going to happen. be realistic
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I have to agree, just look at how people are complaining about the new office!
 
It's a strange definition of 'innovative' that includes mostly things that were available elsewhere years ago already. Sure those things WERE innovative when other people came up with them, but by definition it's not innovation anymore if you're just copying it years later. Anyway, I've been using Vista for a little while now and while on the whole it's "nice" (it does *look* nice, for the most part ... it's the first version of Windows that feels like someone with an ounce of actual artistic sense was involved in the overall design) ... if you've used Mac OS X at all, you will definitely frequently experience "deja vu". Many aspects are openly and unashamedly (sometimes even laughably so) 'blatant Mac ripoffs'.

There do seem to be a few 'innovations' though that I haven't seen elsewhere myself before - not saying they never existed elsewhere, just not that I know of - e.g. the folder hierarchy in Windows Explorer will automatically adjust the left/right scrolling position as you move up/down in it in order to try do a 'best fit' of the contents - not a big thing but it's a 'nice touch'. (Maybe I'm out of touch, but it's actually the first version of Windows ever that has at least one thing in it that I don't know of having existed elsewhere previously.)

It's very slow though - reports of its slowness are not exaggerated. I have a brand new top-end laptop and it feels a bit too slow to do even basic things (e.g. even typing or scrolling in Wordpad) if you have the default 'fancy' UI enabled (and yes, my graphics drivers are up to date). If I switch to the 'basic' UI these performance problems pretty much go away. I hope they include performance improvements in the service packs.

There are some serious problems, like file sharing is randomly off-and-on broken (mostly off, occasionally on) when connecting to non-Windows machines - this worked perfectly in XP for years! No doubt they deliberately broke it (actually they do this with every Windows release), but it's a very serious bug nonetheless, I guess the Samba guys will have to get on it.

I haven't had a serious crash yet, but it is sometimes buggy in other ways, e.g. sometimes my taskbar buttons redraw in the wrong place, stuff like that (possibly a graphics driver bug I guess).

All in all, I think Vista is not a bad operating system - for 2001/2/3 era. It's evolutionary, not revolutionary. I don't think there is any value in upgrading from XP; I don't suggest upgrading unless you just feel like playing around with something new or wanted a new computer anyway. As usual, most sales will come from new computers.
 
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Windows Center Media software for improved handling of audio
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Should that not read Windows Media Center?

Vista isn't revolutionary as werner pointed out but that's ok. I like my changes small :D

I would have preferred a few unique features from Vista but it's still helluva pretty.
 
As a User I have to agree Vista is not what one would call revolutionary. But as a Software Developer, Vista is the biggest thing since Windows 95 and in the long run this is going to translate in revolutionary ways of using our computers as developers and software companies start to make use of the functionality offered to them by Vista.

Microsoft has managed to pull of something interesting here, users are almost bored with the ho-hum sameness of Vista to XP, this might mean that they are not as eager to upgrade as they may have been with previous versions, but it also means they wont be afraid of the changes when they need to upgrade to use new software based on Vista’s revolutionary new File System, Graphical Interface, User Services etc.

So is Vista Revolutionary? Not at all, and more than you know all at the same time.
 
onlyme said:
this is going to translate in revolutionary ways of using our computers as developers and software companies start to make use of the functionality offered to them by Vista.
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Some examples of these revolutionary ways, please . . . ?
 
hexagon said:
Some examples of these revolutionary ways, please . . . ?
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I'm also a "Software Developer" (sic), and I'm afraid it's lost on me too. Perhaps the 'Mac OS X Spotlight'-like search that developers can extend to support new file formats? Hardly revolutionary or innovative, and has been around for years now with OS X and Google Desktop Search.

"new File System"? According to my Vista system my C: drive is still using NTFS. MS ditched their plans for a new filesystem years ago!

"User Services"? What does that mean exactly?

How does a new "Graphical Interface" translate to a revolution for developers? You mean "an API that doesn't suck so bad as Win32"?
 
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