The joys of Liberal England

Oh, so liberals want people to have weak sentences? I thought they wanted to protect childrens rights, your labels make me all confused :confused:
 
Alan85f, please stop going on about the term liberal. You use it so badly it almost appears as if you have no understanding of the word, but use it because you think it makes you look smart.
 
w1z4rd said:
Alan85f, please stop going on about the term liberal. You use it so badly it almost appears as if you have no understanding of the word, but use it because you think it makes you look smart.
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Well you go on about the word "kid" which you use badly and it almost appears you have no understanding of the word, but you use it because you think it makes you look smart. :rolleyes:

But hey I guess the PM knows nothing about it either. Strange then that he was compelled to say something about it. :o
 
supersunbird said:
I fail to see how any of this has anything to do with being a liberal...
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Alan has a point imo. Europe and America has become so twisted in thought that they don't see the irony and repercussions of their actions anymore. It is the liberals. I am not saying the conservatives are better, but for lack of a good all encompassing word, "liberals" will have to do. :)
 
supersunbird said:
Oh, so liberals want people to have weak sentences? I thought they wanted to protect childrens rights, your labels make me all confused :confused:
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ROFL. Protecting children's rights would be a priority on both sides of the fence I assume. The liberals however went after dog owners and it ended up getting folks going to jail. Why didn't these women go to jail? It is a discrepancy IMO.
 
What would be a liberal in the English (England) context?

In my view they are the folks who:
1. Are pro abortion (so am I)
2. Anti fox hunting (not me)
3. Anti-dog fighting (as am I)
4. Anti Iraq war (I am pro)
5. Against father rights (I am pro)
6. Pro environment (as am I)
7. Pro African aid (I am against)
8. Pro immigration ( am against unfettered immigration if it isn't based on cultural bias)

the list goes on...

I daresay the liberal view has also swung too far in our own county. There are some things that simply won't solve any problem no matter how warm hearted it may make us feel. Giving a poor man money (poverty grant) helps nobody. Give him food, shelter and education... make sure you do nothing for the poor unless it comes with an incentive to move them onto independence...
 
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Thanks for restoring the thread antowan... getting rather irritated by the likes of supersunbird who come here and derail it.
 
antowan said:
Alan has a point imo. Europe and America has become so twisted in thought that they don't see the irony and repercussions of their actions anymore. It is the liberals. I am not saying the conservatives are better, but for lack of a good all encompassing word, "liberals" will have to do. :)
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Antowan, I'm sorry but you're wrong. Alanf has no point. I agree that in the UK there is little respect for authority but I don't think that has very much to do with "liberals". If that were the case then a similar situation would exist in countries like Sweden and Denmark. These countries have embraced liberalism for much longer and in a more encompassing way than the UK.

These are just two cases where different judges applied different sentences. It happens all the time.

edit: I thought it was an accepted fact on the forum that alanf doesn't understand the concept of liberalism ;)
 
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arf9999 said:
Antowan, I'm sorry but you're wrong. Alanf has no point. I agree that in the UK there is little respect for authority but I don't think that has very much to do with "liberals". If that were the case then a similar situation would exist in countries like Sweden and Denmark. These countries have embraced liberalism for much longer and in a more encompassing way than the UK.

These are just two cases where different judges applied different sentences. It happens all the time.
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In the English/UK context he has. A liberal is a totally different beast when you start drifting from country to country. I know I have bundled all of Western Europe and America into the same basket, but it is evident by the amount of friction between the pro Bush (conservatives) and the rest of the western world (liberals) that there are similarities on all fronts there when it comes to certain issues. An African liberal is however somewhat different from a Western liberal. Within this group there are variations I guess, but when we speak of England I would also use the word "liberal" for the lack of another to describe the faction making silly decisions. :) As I stated above, I am sometimes "liberal" and sometimes not (when it comes to the issues mentioned in my post).

This is going to be a tough discussion and I have a sneaky suspicion most of us would actually agree at the end of it. Semantically we will have a tough time though. When we approach this discussion, we would all be well advised to choose our words carefully and to explain our train of though very carefully. I am already kinda lost. :)

Even definitions and explanations of LIBERAL in sources like Wikipedia have conflicted views. Some liberals want less government control, some want more... etc...
 
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antowan said:
What would be a liberal in the English (England) context?

In my view they are the folks who:
1. Are pro abortion (so am I)
2. Anti fox hunting (not me)
3. Anti-dog fighting (as am I)
4. Anti Iraq war (I am pro)
5. Against father rights (I am pro)
6. Pro environment (as am I)
7. Pro African aid (I am against)
8. Pro immigration ( am against unfettered immigration if it isn't based on cultural bias)

the list goes on...

I daresay the liberal view has also swung too far in our own county. There are some things that simply won't solve any problem no matter how warm hearted it may make us feel. Giving a poor man money (poverty grant) helps nobody. Give him food, shelter and education... make sure you do nothing for the poor unless it comes with an incentive to move them onto independence...
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Pro abortion, or pro choice? :eek:
 
antowan said:
What would be a liberal in the English (England) context?

In my view they are the folks who:
1. Are pro abortion (so am I)
2. Anti fox hunting (not me)
3. Anti-dog fighting (as am I)
4. Anti Iraq war (I am pro)
5. Against father rights (I am pro)
6. Pro environment (as am I)
7. Pro African aid (I am against)
8. Pro immigration ( am against unfettered immigration if it isn't based on cultural bias)
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I am not sure that "liberals" are against father's rights.

Alanf85 understands the concept of liberals perfectly: it includes everything he dislikes plus a dash of chamberlain.

It is the rest of us who misunderstand if we think alanf actually means anything when he types a sentence with the word liberal in it.
 
Blaming liberals for everything he doesnt like, are like those people blaming everything on witches (and killing them), uneducated and/or wanting a scapegoat....
 
supersunbird said:
Blaming liberals for everything he doesnt like, are like those people blaming everything on witches (and killing them), uneducated and/or wanting a scapegoat....
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LOL lets not get stuck on that supersunbird. Surely you do agree there is a discrepancy when the women go free for fighting kids and a man goes to jail for fighting dogs. IMO they should have gotten the same treatment. Perhaps we do not know the full extent of the case, but on face value, would you agree there is something askew with the picture?
 
alanf85 said:
Or just you few liberals:o
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Can't have your cake and eat it Alan. You've frequently called this place MyLeftwingNut, and yet now you're claiming 'liberals' are in the minority.

Contrary to what the "locals" would have you believe their a plenty of non liberals on this forum who think I have a point. Unfortunately they couldn't be bothered to deal with the above mentioned avalanche.
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Riiiight. :rolleyes:


4. Anti [-]Iraq[/-] war(I am pro)
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:o
 
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