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Moederloos

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Sigh, it is with a heavy heart that I open this can of worms. I can already see the pattern forming - with the end result being another CLOSED thread.

Anyways, on to the meat:

How is it possible, knowing how our government (mis)functions, that Treasury manages to approve a R30 levy on eNATIS transactions in less than a week?

Is it not more believable to imagine a scenario where the whole misadventure was designed from the outset? In other words

1) Create a good system
2) Purposefully ensure it malfunctions
3) Wait for an outcry
4) Eventually "fix" it
5) And, now, the coup - in the moment when the relief overwhelms the populace, slip in a R30 levy?

That, is more believable.
 
Yup... thousands of people will be so chuffed that its all working now, that R30 is nothing! Beats standing in queues for days on end...!
 
I dont think its all bad.. the eNatis system when working will replace a really old redundant system. I dont agree with alot of what happened but its not bad.
The R30 levy will make sure the system is kept purring in top condition and I am sure the system will evolve from its current weak state to 'state of the art'

Have confidence.
 
R30 is too expensive.

Disadvantaged people should not be paying the fee.
 
Disadvantaged people would not really need to be there in the first place... They are disadvantaged - No Car, No License etc....
 
The R 30.00 levy is not something that just happened this week. In fact I have no idea why they are saying it is for maintenance of eNaTIS. A levy was supposed to have come in two years ago. It would have been implemented on the old NaTIS system as well. The levy was to cover the costs of setting up the RTMC (Road Traffic Management Corporation). The RTMC will basically operate as a business and handle all aspects of road traffic from licensing of vehicles and drivers to traffic fines etc etc etc. Think one national traffic authority. Its just taking the RTMC forever to take off though.
 
If I don't want to pay a bank's ridiculous charges I can keep my money in a safe (or under my bed).

eNatis is a supportive system, thus I believe it only fair that if you don't want to pay the levy for some or other transaction you have to do then you should be given alternatives!!! We should not be forced to pay for a service that must exist to support the other services that we actually require. They should recoup the cash from the transactions themselves and not charge a levy.
 
ShaunSA said:
The R 30.00 levy is not something that just happened this week. In fact I have no idea why they are saying it is for maintenance of eNaTIS. A levy was supposed to have come in two years ago. It would have been implemented on the old NaTIS system as well. The levy was to cover the costs of setting up the RTMC (Road Traffic Management Corporation). The RTMC will basically operate as a business and handle all aspects of road traffic from licensing of vehicles and drivers to traffic fines etc etc etc. Think one national traffic authority. Its just taking the RTMC forever to take off though.
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hmmm, let's assume you are correct (no aspersions intended)

This would then mean that the process to allocate the R30 has quickly been shifted to maintenance, and a new process is likely to follow to enable the charging of the original levy. All in all, brace yourself for another levy sooner rather than later.
 
Ryder_JHB said:
Disadvantaged people would not really need to be there in the first place... They are disadvantaged - No Car, No License etc....
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What i meant was, only whites should pay for this service.
 
ath0 said:
What i meant was, only whites should pay for this service.
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Dont drag this thread down ath0 ! ...
This system will be working in no time. Sure there are hiccups and dumb developers, but the product will be rock solid soon. I dont think the levy was intended for the end people - I think the intention was that the Motor industry pay that fee, but as always the costs are pushed down to the poor people. Its not the govt fault for that! blame the corporations.
 
RichardP said:
Dont drag this thread down ath0 ! ...
This system will be working in no time. Sure there are hiccups and dumb developers, but the product will be rock solid soon. I dont think the levy was intended for the end people - I think the intention was that the Motor industry pay that fee, but as always the costs are pushed down to the poor people. Its not the govt fault for that! blame the corporations.
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Exactly, the poor should not be paying these costs.
 
ath0 said:
Exactly, the poor should not be paying these costs.
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Yup - the poor should be given everything for free. Afterall, one day when I am impoverished by poor government decisions, I will expect my slice too.
 
Moederloos said:
hmmm, let's assume you are correct (no aspersions intended)

This would then mean that the process to allocate the R30 has quickly been shifted to maintenance, and a new process is likely to follow to enable the charging of the original levy. All in all, brace yourself for another levy sooner rather than later.
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We were informed as early as October 2005 of a "transaction fee" that was to be levied. And we were also informed that it was expected to be met with resistence from members of the public :D

The transaction fee was supposed to have applied for the following transaction:-

Vehicle registration, vehicle licensing, personalised number plates, learner licence applications, drivers licence applications, professional drivers permits and drivers licence card renewals.

Oh and expect all traffic fines to go on eNaTIS from sometime 2008. This means that any outstanding traffic fine issued by any traffic authority in sa will show up when u try and perform a transaction. Regular speedsters are going to have to slow down :D The demerit system will also come into play on eNaTIS.
 
And we were also informed that it was expected to be met with resistence from members of the public
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And so, you make my opening point! hehe.

The whole "downtime" was a way to break the resistance.
 
BobbyMac said:
The fact is that hundreds of millions has already been spent on this system, and now R30 levy is added to that? Not to mention the transport minister blatantly and unflinchingly lied about the success of the implementation. Once again, zero accountability means that things like this will just continually happen.
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Things like what? Nothing happened!
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