View Full Version : PS3 price going up to R6800?
doobiwan
22-05-2007, 02:50 PM
I heard a rumour about this a few days ago that this was going to happen, being from (another) 360 fan I took it with a pinch of salt, but today I found this:
http://www.lookandlisten.co.za/product/detail.aspx?productid=F2E02770-1CEF-422F-984F-B7FFC24AC4F2
(PS3 for R6800, not a bundle)
All the sites that have it listed as R6300 still have stock whereas L&L is out of stock - indicating it may be the price of all incoming units.
Can anyone confirm? Was R6300 just a launch special?
Brawler
22-05-2007, 02:59 PM
madness..
GavinMannion
22-05-2007, 03:00 PM
Damn I saw that rumour as well and also wasn't sure if I should believe it or not.
GavinMannion
22-05-2007, 03:19 PM
Damn I had to come back and just say again...
This is insane... time to lie down :eek:
dabouncer
22-05-2007, 03:22 PM
Price has gone to R6499.95 where i shop.
GavinMannion
22-05-2007, 03:33 PM
where do you shop?
tibby.dude
22-05-2007, 03:36 PM
All the power of the Cell Broadband Processor and BlueRAY !!!!
Surely it is worth a measly R7000 ???.
Ken Kataguri himself said that you just must work a little bit harder if you think it is too expensive ;).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9136575504838642038
I choose the Wii ;).
dabouncer
22-05-2007, 03:39 PM
where do you shop?
http://www.btgames.co.za/btgames/InfoPages/02993.asp?IndexNo=34&sfile=3
scotty777
22-05-2007, 03:41 PM
lol... good thing i got it when it was cough um... cheap...
but trust sony to put up the price when the world says lower the price, bloody rebells.
useless
22-05-2007, 03:45 PM
And would be the excuse this time from Ster Kinekor? Geez.
Lucky me i also got it on a special from a BT Games store opening.
GavinMannion
22-05-2007, 03:56 PM
utter madness..... where they just hoping people wouldn't notice?
Incredible Connection now has it for R6599
http://www.incredible.co.za/services/catalog/moreinfo.asp?sku=61338&FromHome=true
doobiwan
22-05-2007, 04:08 PM
You know, probably. So that's a R6500, a R6600 and a R6800. I wonder what the new list is really supposed to be?
GavinMannion
22-05-2007, 04:13 PM
CNA seemed to have stopped selling it on there site and Kalahari.net still has the old price along with Musica..
Very strange... incredibly dumb but still strange.
The_Omlette
22-05-2007, 04:31 PM
For what its worth, putting the price of the PS3 up would be the most counterproductive move Sony or Ster Kinekor could make.
It goes against the pricing model of all hi-tech items. Normally release prices are high for early adopters and drop gradually as economies of scale begin to apply.
As a fan of the PS2 and a potential PS3 customer a price hike would annoy me enough to make me buy an XBox on principle!
doobiwan
22-05-2007, 04:48 PM
What I don't understand, is that typically we get stuff either at about USD price*10 or at a direct conversion of the UK price. However, that should make it about R6000, so why does Sony/Ster Kinekor see fit to price the stuff even higher here, especially considering there's now competition in the market.
Highflyer_GP
22-05-2007, 06:05 PM
Bwahaha why worry about the console war in this country? It's not that MS wants to win it, seems more like Sony wants to lose it.
noxibox
22-05-2007, 07:01 PM
This is a very interesting, err, strategy. Their nefarious plan will be complete when they increase the price of the games. That'll show Microsoft.
Ken Kataguri himself said that you just must work a little bit harder if you think it is too expensive ;).
That's why my gang and I are working hard on a plan to kidnap him.
so why does Sony/Ster Kinekor see fit to price the stuff even higher here, especially considering there's now competition in the market.
Because for years Ster Kinekor has essentially owned the South African console market. And they are probably relying on this remaining Playstation country.
GougedEye
23-05-2007, 09:36 AM
Ster Kinekor is a really dodge distributer. Strange that Sony went with them again after all the blatant gouging on the PS2. Took the PS2 market much longer to get properly established than it should have. Also the massive piracy of PS2 games in ZA has a lot to do with the chosen distributer. PS3 is already overpriced in SA compared to the rest of the world. (Where it is overpriced anyway). The excuse that I have heard is that the original batch of PS3s that they imported are now gone and the new batch is going to cost more due to unavoidable blah blah blah.
doobiwan
23-05-2007, 09:48 AM
Also the massive piracy of PS2 games in ZA has a lot to do with the chosen distributer.
Interesting you mention that. Did you see the NPD sales figures last week? While the PS2 is outselling the 360 on a unit per unit basis, the 360 is outselling the PS2 when in comes to actual software sales ever though the install base ratio is around 10:1.
I'd almost certainly say piracy on the PS2 has a lot to do with it.
derekc
23-05-2007, 10:07 AM
The excuse that I have heard is that the original batch of PS3s that they imported are now gone and the new batch is going to cost more due to unavoidable blah blah blah.
considering a PS3 costs R3500 here in HK, they are really talking a load of crap.
Voldemort
23-05-2007, 10:18 AM
considering a PS3 costs R3500 here in HK, they are really talking a load of crap.
Hong Kong right?
GavinMannion
23-05-2007, 10:43 AM
Hey this story really has some legs now, I wrote an article on it and it has now been picked up by at least 4 other sites... Including one that doesn't give me any link love :mad:
Anyway hopefully it continues to run a bit and manages to wake someone up at SK.... I want to see a real war in SA :)
doobiwan
23-05-2007, 11:14 AM
Pfft, Oy, where's my journalistic credit ;) :p
EDIT: jeepers, we made it all the way to PS3 fanboy!
derekc
23-05-2007, 11:15 AM
Hong Kong right?
yeah...no idea how they manage to sell a PS3 for this price. It's lower than the US$ price which is weird. Could be that the demand here is low.
GavinMannion
23-05-2007, 11:44 AM
Pfft, Oy, where's my journalistic credit ;) :p
EDIT: jeepers, we made it all the way to PS3 fanboy!
You should have posted it on your site first then I could have linked back :p
Yeah like I said this story has legs :D
Fudzy
23-05-2007, 12:42 PM
Is L&L the only place where the price has risen? Kalahari still has it for R6300
doobiwan
23-05-2007, 12:53 PM
No, also at IC, BT and CNA. Take 2 still has some at R6300 as well. The common held perception is that it's a matter of old stock. So get 'em all while you can. (Pokestation! :p)
RichardG
23-05-2007, 01:03 PM
I can confirm when I was in Europe. I saw in a shop PS3 was selling for R4000 excluding the extra goodies.. When it was launch in europe a shop gave about 7 games an extra remote all for R6000 and something...
Fudzy
23-05-2007, 01:25 PM
No, also at IC, BT and CNA. Take 2 still has some at R6300 as well. The common held perception is that it's a matter of old stock. So get 'em all while you can. (Pokestation! :p)
Common held perception or assumption?
GavinMannion
23-05-2007, 01:48 PM
I was just at Sandton city now and the lack of PS3's and games in the usual shops is quite suprising...
The PS3 in CNA is poked and has been for over a week, they really should fix that. There where also not many games available.
The Musica has Motorstorm running, what an awesome game, but they only had Spiderman for sale on PS3....
I didn't even see the PS3 in CNA..... the demo unit that was in the audio visual store has been removed as well...
Are retailers starting to back away slowly from the PS3 without anyone noticing? Or was this just a weird day in Sandton?
RichardG
23-05-2007, 01:53 PM
Many Factors can come across.. Either there is no demand for the Product in there store.. . Or just maybe they are "Out of Stock".. I think Ster-Kinkor should get an online store website where people can buy games.... I'm sure there are lot of titles out there that I've not seen in other stores....
I aint PS fan..
Fudzy
23-05-2007, 02:03 PM
Did you ask about the perceived shortage? Maybe its got something to do with the price increase.
GavinMannion
23-05-2007, 02:42 PM
Did you ask about the perceived shortage? Maybe its got something to do with the price increase.
:confused: you lost me...
there is a shortage of sorts. SA has only ever received one shipment of PS3's and whoever has sold their allotment is now waiting for the 2nd more expensive shipment...
It's a bad sign that you can get a PS3 anywhere 2 months after the release and they haven't sold out the first shipment which was rumoured to be 5000 units..
noxibox
23-05-2007, 03:24 PM
Did you see the NPD sales figures last week? While the PS2 is outselling the 360 on a unit per unit basis, the 360 is outselling the PS2 when in comes to actual software sales ever though the install base ratio is around 10:1.
Does this take into account the secondhand market, having many friends from whom you can borrow games instead of buying them and that almost every video store has a wide range available?
useless
24-05-2007, 08:46 AM
Same with the X360, you can buy a host of 2nd hand games or rent them from video stores in the US & EU. Not in SA as yet sadly.
doobiwan
24-05-2007, 09:32 AM
Does this take into account the secondhand market, having many friends from whom you can borrow games instead of buying them and that almost every video store has a wide range available?
No it doesn't, but the 2nd hand market is the secret bane of games industry as every second hand purchase is perceived as a lost first hand sale. - That's where "Platinum" classics come from - popular games that start to flood the second hand market are reduced in price to devalue the 2nd hand units.
The NPD stats are only first hand figures, they reflect the state of the industry rather that the market.
GavinMannion
24-05-2007, 09:43 AM
Quick update... The price increase has been confirmed by SK so I guess we will just have to deal with R6699 as the price now...
Insanity
http://www.lazygamer.co.za/ps3/local-ps3-price-increase-is-confirmed/
noxibox
24-05-2007, 10:24 AM
With this kind of pricing the PS3 deserves to crash and burn in South Africa.
Tan365
24-05-2007, 10:53 AM
i own one and agree with noxibox; bloodsuckers
With this kind of pricing the PS3 deserves to crash and burn in South Africa.
Bull****. Why should the PS3 suffer because of the actions of a greedy local corporation? If anything, Ster-Greedykor should be held accountable and explain precisely why it's price has gone up like it has where as the rest of the world the price has sort of stabilised or come down.
GavinMannion
24-05-2007, 12:20 PM
The rumour is that the first shipment was discounted by Sony and all the resulting shipments no longer carry this discount...
$1000 for a PS3 is idiotic.....
doobiwan
24-05-2007, 12:41 PM
$1000 a PS3 is how much they cost to manufacture . . .
Moederloos
24-05-2007, 12:48 PM
Nice - Now I will save an EXTRA R500 by NOT buying it.
doobiwan
24-05-2007, 01:07 PM
That's an awesome way to justify buying stuff to the wife . . . "Well I didn't buy a PS3 so now I have an extra R500 that I wouldn't have had to so now I spend it on games .. ." ;)
GavinMannion
24-05-2007, 01:09 PM
That's an awesome way to justify buying stuff to the wife . . . "Well I didn't buy a PS3 so now I have an extra R500 that I wouldn't have had to so now I spend it on games .. ." ;)
lol I like that...
Honey i nearly bought a new car and didn't so I saved us R50 000, I am going to use that now to buy a 50" Plasma...
noxibox
24-05-2007, 07:02 PM
Bull****. Why should the PS3 suffer because of the actions of a greedy local corporation? If anything, Ster-Greedykor should be held accountable and explain precisely why it's price has gone up like it has where as the rest of the world the price has sort of stabilised or come down.
Sony chose them and it is up to them to monitor Ster Kinekor's actions. Ster Kinekor had a long history of price gouging with the PS2, but it was essentially the only game in town, so unless you were willing to import your own as I did you were stuck with the local price. If the 360 becomes the primary console in South Africa, then Sony and Ster Kinekor have only themselves to blame.
I can also compare the US and South African price for both the 360 and PS3. The 360 is cheaper in the US, but my landed price would be slightly higher than the local price, whereas with the PS3 I can land one for at least R1000 less than the launch price. That says a lot about the way the console is being priced. The PS3 (i.e. Sony) deserves to lose the South African market to the 360. I was even tempted to get myself an NTSC model while they still have the PS2 hardware because most of my movies and games are US releases, so until some hacks become available a PAL model would be less useful (I'd import my PS3 games and HD movies anyway), and the US one appears to have better backward compatibility.
The PS3 is inanimate so it will not suffer when it crashes and burns.
GougedEye
24-05-2007, 08:35 PM
I really, really would like to know if this is going to affect games prices as well?
I hope that Nintendo has a little more sense in selecting their WII distributor (NOT NuMetro)
useless
25-05-2007, 09:10 AM
I can also compare the US and South African price for both the 360 and PS3. The 360 is cheaper in the US, but my landed price would be slightly higher than the local price, whereas with the PS3 I can land one for at least R1000 less than the launch price. That says a lot about the way the console is being priced. The PS3 (i.e. Sony) deserves to lose the South African market to the 360. I was even tempted to get myself an NTSC model while they still have the PS2 hardware because most of my movies and games are US releases, so until some hacks become available a PAL model would be less useful (I'd import my PS3 games and HD movies anyway), and the US one appears to have better backward compatibility.
The PS3 is inanimate so it will not suffer when it crashes and burns.
Sadly not all people have access to your "landed" pricing and have to get their PS3s from local stores which are clearly jumping on the SK bandwagon of a rip-off. This is only playing to the X360's advantage and will kill the emerging BR movie market and the emerging PS3 gaming folk.
We need an independent investigation to take place into the pricing fixing done by SK for sure.
doobiwan
25-05-2007, 11:56 AM
I think we need better marketing by the xbox team to make SK K@K their pants. ;)
useless
25-05-2007, 12:03 PM
Now just imagine if Ninty gets launched in SA by an energetic company @ R2.3k per unit... Sony may as well cut ties with SK and find somebody else.
doobiwan
25-05-2007, 12:54 PM
I don't think so. As has been said before, I imagine the price point issue is to blame on a combination of Sony and Ster Kinekor.
derekc
25-05-2007, 01:10 PM
Just drop the 360 by a few hundred bucks...let's say R2600 - R3000 for the premium version and R1800 for the core, then the PS3 will be dead if SK does not drop their prices. No need for marketing then.
doobiwan
25-05-2007, 02:23 PM
If you read the newsweek article I linked here http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=75376&page=2
They have some very interesting comments about that. Basically, last gen, by now all consoles had been cut to $200, and that most people bought consoles at about $200. (remember the U$D doesn't devalue as rapidly as the rand)
I agree with you. I think the MS library is probably strong enough to hold it's own in the mass market, they should cut as soon as possible. Even just a $50 cut. I'd throw a 64Mb memory stick into the core bundle as well, and you have a very strong competitor to the Wii.
But I don't think they will, I imagine they're waiting for the 65nm chips which are due out in the 2nd half of the year, they're cheaper to manufacture and cooler to run. I think they'd be silly not to cut some time this year though. So I'm going to say we'll see a cut sometime after Halo 3 comes out, but before Xmas.
nocilah
27-05-2007, 02:07 PM
a friend of a friend who knows someone who had sex with someone at microsoft has said they are going to drop the price of the xbox360.
when that happens you one can almost guarantee the demise of sony praystation 3. It has no games. Has a ****ty online environment. next to nothing for streaming content to it. hell i think it's time sony quit riding on their blueray technology.
am i glad i bought an xbox360. and the strange thing is this. I have been to Sandton and fourways and have yet to lay eyes on a praystation 3.
useless
28-05-2007, 07:31 AM
a friend of a friend who knows someone who had sex with someone at microsoft has said they are going to drop the price of the xbox360.
:D:D:D:D
Must be a cute friend. :p
GavinMannion
28-05-2007, 08:22 AM
am i glad i bought an xbox360. and the strange thing is this. I have been to Sandton and fourways and have yet to lay eyes on a praystation 3.
CNA Sandton City has a dead PS3 on Display :p
The huge Musica in Sandton City has a playable PS3 kiosk which had Motorstorm in it the last time I checked...
Man I love that game... Not R6799 love though
useless
28-05-2007, 08:59 AM
I am disappointed with Motostorm. After reading reviews the game is lacking features like split-screen gameplay, game modes are limited to 2 only. Seems like the game was rushed for the PS3 launch, looks nice but if it could only play as nice too. Sigh.
GavinMannion
28-05-2007, 10:15 AM
It's not perfect but it's the best game on the PS3 at the moment IMO.... All it needs is rumble and a better online mode and it would be perfect. I hate split screen ;)
Retro
28-05-2007, 10:23 AM
I am disappointed with Motostorm. After reading reviews the game is lacking features like split-screen gameplay, game modes are limited to 2 only. Seems like the game was rushed for the PS3 launch, looks nice but if it could only play as nice too. Sigh.
How many times have you played it? I've been playing it for a while on my friend's PS3 and I'm loving it. Why do you say it was rushed?
It's a great game.
We played it twice online now and it's a lot of fun. Definitely one of the best and unconventional racers out there.
doobiwan
28-05-2007, 10:33 AM
Motorstorm was a complete let down for me. It's an arcade rally game, DiRT kicks it's bum.
Retro
28-05-2007, 10:45 AM
Motorstorm was a complete let down for me. It's an arcade rally game, DiRT kicks it's bum.
I thought Dirt hasn't been released yet?
@doobiwan: Have you played enough of Motorstorm to actually make that kind of judgement/comparison?
If you have, then you would see that Motorstorm is NOT a rally game. It takes place on dirt tracks, but thats as close to "rallying" as it gets.....
doobiwan
28-05-2007, 10:55 AM
The demo's out on Xbox Live and for PC, I've been playing it the whole weekend.
Probably the slickest racing game I've seen to date.
EDIT: I've spent about 15-20 minutes on Motorstorm. As I've said before about it, I'm not saying it's not fun, it's just never wowed me, or said "I'm worth R6000".
And, if you really want to know what Motorstom is about, I could summarise it as this:
It's multi-vehicle, from bikes and ATV's to racing trucks and big rigs that race against each other in a multipath environment, including ramps and jumps. These muliple paths could contain mud, sand, rocks, stones etc etc. It all depends on what path you take. It's focus on crazy fun as apposed to the almost clinical characteristics of normal racers. I like normal racers as well, but this one is a breath of fresh air.
doobiwan
28-05-2007, 11:47 AM
For me it's literally, "Burnout revenge on dirt". BR is a great game in it's own right but that's why I found MS uninspired.
useless
28-05-2007, 12:27 PM
Feels rushed coz it only has two modes to play it on. Tried the demo and graphically its very appealing. Maybe if I find it 2nd hand I will own it, but not going to pay full price for it. I mean in motorsport terms Forza 2 is coming out soon and that runs rings in terms of the game content, online racing, car variety, etc. For offroad fun DIRT looks like a winner as well.
For now I will rather invest on those two upcoming racers, I suppose it comes to a personal choice but I do think Motorstorm can be enhanced by an expansion of sorts.
doobiwan
28-05-2007, 02:05 PM
I think it's getting one no?