SACP to independantly contest 2009 elections

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Any bets on who breaks the 30m floor-crossing record to the ANC?? :D
My bet is on Charles Nqakula to win in a time of 2 seconds flat.

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Shame ... poor b@stards. They have no choice really. It's must finally have become a bit embarrasing for them to be so closely associated with all those capatilists
 
Any bets on who breaks the 30m floor-crossing record to the ANC?? :D
My bet is on Charles Nqakula to win in a time of 2 seconds flat.

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Shame ... poor b@stards. They have no choice really. It's must finally have become a bit embarrasing for them to be so closely associated with all those capatilists

Please copy/paste the article. Can't open this.
 
Members will have to abide or leave - SACP

May 23 2007 at 10:08AM

By Moshoeshoe Monare

Communist ministers in the African National Congress-led cabinet may have to choose between leaving the party or becoming opposition members.

This is what the SA Communist Party in Gauteng wants, after it resolved on Tuesday that the party should contest elections from 2009 at all levels by fielding its own candidates.

The provincial SACP said it would lobby hard to win over other provinces, especially at the central committee meeting this weekend.

The final decision rests with the SACP's national congress in July.

If Gauteng wins the debate at the congress, current communist ministers and other political office-bearers in the government on an ANC ticket could face a dilemma.


There are high-ranking communist leaders in cabinet, including the Ministers of Safety and Security, Charles Nqakula (SACP chairperson); Provincial and Local Government, Sydney Mufamadi; and, Intelligence, Ronnie Kasrils.

SACP Gauteng provincial secretary Zico Tamela told Independent Newspapers Tuesday: "Members will have to abide or make a choice of leaving the party. It will not be correct to start at individual level; the organisation must take a decision."

Tamela said the decision to contest elections meant that the SACP would be in opposition to the ANC.

"If we use the term 'opposition' loosely... we could be characterised like that. You have the ruling party and everybody else is opposition," he said.

He agreed that this could worsen the already tense relationship between the ruling party and its ally, especially if the erstwhile comrades campaign against each other.

"There might be tensions but what we would like (to see) is that when we campaign as the Communist Party, we will focus more on the issues of the people and how we think they must be addressed, but not go on the rampage attacking the ANC," he said.

SACP national spokesperson Malesela Maleka said on Tuesday that the issue was part of "the engagement".

"We have always said the discussions will take place at congress."

The alliance would have to be restructured if the SACP went it alone.

So far, the SACP and Cosatu are demanding a pact in which they could consider withdrawing their support if the ANC let them down.

In 2006, the SACP registered with the Independent Electoral Commission in case of any eventuality.

However, the party's official line was that it wanted to prevent anyone from registering the party name with the IEC, and that it wanted to benefit from tax reprieves.

However, insiders said the SACP was unlikely to take a decision to go it alone at its July congress, but the party would wait until the ANC conference in December.

A senior leader once told Independent Newspapers that if the ANC's leadership was infiltrated by communists, unionists and so-called leftists, with their favourite presidential candidate, there would be no need for the SACP to go it alone.

This is why Cosatu is having a central committee meeting immediately after the ANC conference to, according to the federation's Zwelinzima Vavi, assess the situation.

The SACP's decision will also depend on support from the labour movement.
 
This will make some interresting developments. Will the commarades defect to the ANC and hold on to their power, or

do they stay on and support their commarades in the struggle?

One thing is for sure.

Who ever wins Cosatu over will be in government.
 
I would imagine that Nqakula is already an ANC member, and certainly represents the ANC in parliament, though he is also an SACP member.

I don't think floor crossing comes into it.
 
This might be the solution to SA government's problems of poor delivery and bad policies - a strong opposition focused on people's issues...
 
They won't do it. They're too comfortable in their current lofty jobs and too chicken to risk losing those. I personnaly feel they should split for the good of democracy in the country. Maybe they'll provide a "true" opposition to the ANC.

You think they'll take Zuma as their president elect?:D :D
 
I would imagine that Nqakula is already an ANC member, and certainly represents the ANC in parliament, though he is also an SACP member.

I don't think floor crossing comes into it.

He's the SACP national chairman ... sorry chairperson.

I reckon if SACP decides to go it alone they'll find themselves being dropped like a hot potatoe by senior officials in government.
 
Communist ministers in the African National Congress-led cabinet may have to choose between leaving the party or becoming opposition members.

This is what the SA Communist Party in Gauteng wants, after it resolved on Tuesday that the party should contest elections from 2009 at all levels by fielding its own candidates.

The provincial SACP said it would lobby hard to win over other provinces, especially at the central committee meeting this weekend.

The final decision rests with the SACP's national congress in July.

If Gauteng wins the debate at the congress, current communist ministers and other political office-bearers in the government on an ANC ticket could face a dilemma.


There are high-ranking communist leaders in cabinet, including the Ministers of Safety and Security, Charles Nqakula (SACP chairperson); Provincial and Local Government, Sydney Mufamadi; and, Intelligence, Ronnie Kasrils.

SACP Gauteng provincial secretary Zico Tamela told Independent Newspapers Tuesday: "Members will have to abide or make a choice of leaving the party. It will not be correct to start at individual level; the organisation must take a decision."

Tamela said the decision to contest elections meant that the SACP would be in opposition to the ANC.

"If we use the term 'opposition' loosely... we could be characterised like that. You have the ruling party and everybody else is opposition," he said.

He agreed that this could worsen the already tense relationship between the ruling party and its ally, especially if the erstwhile comrades campaign against each other.

"There might be tensions but what we would like (to see) is that when we campaign as the Communist Party, we will focus more on the issues of the people and how we think they must be addressed, but not go on the rampage attacking the ANC," he said.

SACP national spokesperson Malesela Maleka said on Tuesday that the issue was part of "the engagement".

"We have always said the discussions will take place at congress."

The alliance would have to be restructured if the SACP went it alone.

So far, the SACP and Cosatu are demanding a pact in which they could consider withdrawing their support if the ANC let them down.

In 2006, the SACP registered with the Independent Electoral Commission in case of any eventuality.

However, the party's official line was that it wanted to prevent anyone from registering the party name with the IEC, and that it wanted to benefit from tax reprieves.

However, insiders said the SACP was unlikely to take a decision to go it alone at its July congress, but the party would wait until the ANC conference in December.

A senior leader once told Independent Newspapers that if the ANC's leadership was infiltrated by communists, unionists and so-called leftists, with their favourite presidential candidate, there would be no need for the SACP to go it alone.

This is why Cosatu is having a central committee meeting immediately after the ANC conference to, according to the federation's Zwelinzima Vavi, assess the situation.

The SACP's decision will also depend on support from the labour movement.
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You watch. Just now, somebody's gonna try and fit afrikaans into this issue.:D :D
 
They won't do it - it is being used as a threat to force the ANC into taking more SACP members into cabinet - they know their support base is too small to contest an election on their own - besides most of the upper leadership of the SACP are the country's leading capitalists

Now what we need is for Cosatu to break away and register as a Political party - they will not only have the backing of the workers, but also the backing of supporters of the PAC, Azapo, IFP etc who know their votes for those parties are useless.

Then we need the Independent Democrats, DA, FF+, AEB etc to unite into one party,

then we may finally have a decent opposition to the ANC
 
He's the SACP national chairman ... sorry chairperson.

I reckon if SACP decides to go it alone they'll find themselves being dropped like a hot potatoe by senior officials in government.

I'm afraid that is what is going to happen. But hey, it would be interesting. We need more opposition parties that have some mainsteam appeal. Could you imagine if they win the elections by 2/3 majority? Hello Communism:D
 
They won't do it - it is being used as a threat to force the ANC into taking more SACP members into cabinet - they know their support base is too small to contest an election on their own - besides most of the upper leadership of the SACP are the country's leading capitalists

Now what we need is for Cosatu to break away and register as a Political party - they will not only have the backing of the workers, but also the backing of supporters of the PAC, Azapo, IFP etc who know their votes for those parties are useless.

Then we need the Independent Democrats, DA, FF+, AEB etc to unite into one party,

then we may finally have a decent opposition to the ANC

Why do they not think along these lines?:confused: :confused: Methinks they're just a bunch of hypocrites. True communists would never be associated with the ANC's capitalist tendencies.:D :D
 
I'm afraid that is what is going to happen. But hey, it would be interesting. We need more opposition parties that have some mainsteam appeal. Could you imagine if they win the elections by 2/3 majority? Hello Communism:D

Not possible. Would be scary though if you really think about it.
 
I'm afraid that is what is going to happen. But hey, it would be interesting. We need more opposition parties that have some mainsteam appeal. Could you imagine if they win the elections by 2/3 majority? Hello Communism:D

Not likely, the Communist Party leaders have too much to lose if they implement communism
 
You watch. Just now, somebody's gonna try and fit afrikaans into this issue.:D :D

Its Afrikaans with a capital A. But just watch a language debate will start and some people will still spell Xhosa, isiXhosa

This might be the solution to SA government's problems of poor delivery and bad policies - a strong opposition focused on people's issues...

Agreed and I hope it happens. But any idea how big the SACP's voters are ?
 
This will make some interresting developments. Will the commarades defect to the ANC and hold on to their power, or

do they stay on and support their commarades in the struggle?

One thing is for sure.

Who ever wins Cosatu over will be in government.

I think Cosatu's support base is overated. I think they know it too, which is why the'll never go it alone. Cosatu members are ANC supporters. It'll take something along the lines of Zimbabwe to get ANC supoorters to vote for anyone else. ANC would have to really #%k up. Big!
 
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