Green car tax 'suspicous'

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Johannesburg - Proposals for energy levies on fuel-guzzling cars signify a welcome greater responsiveness to the climate-change debate, but need reworking, said the Democratic Alliance on Sunday.

"First, given that almost all cars will be taxed, and not even the most-efficient cars will benefit from the proposals, it is hard not to be suspicious that this is simply another money-making plan," said DA spokesperson Hendrik Schmidt.

The department of minerals and energy made the fuel-efficiency proposals, which would tax cars on the basis of kilowatt output.

"Kilowatt output is not necessarily the best measure of damage to the environment because there are a number of cars on our roads with a high kilowatt output, but that have highly efficient engines and use little fuel," said Schmidt.

What about diesel engines?

He said a blanket tax would be imposed on sports utility vehicles (SUV) without recognising enormous variations in fuel efficiency between different models.

"Diesel engines are also lighter on fuel, but there are no indications of how these will be treated.

"It may be more appropriate to use engine capacity or fuel consumption as a more direct measure of damage done to the environment."

Schmidt said the proposals appeared to take no account of the different purposes for which vehicles were used.

"For example, commercial vehicles, which need higher engine capacity to carry heavy loads, will be punished on the same basis as luxury SUVs whose engine capacity is used for more-frivolous purposes."

The department needed to rather look at a subsidy system whereby "clean" cars were subsidised through levies on more energy-hungry cars, with the ultimate financial gain to the department being neutral, he said.

Not many alternatives to cars

The proposals should take a more-sophisticated approach by recognising different categories of efficiency within different classes of car, and subsidise or tax them appropriately.

"Until a comprehensive and efficient public transport system is in place, most people have no alternative to cars.

"The government cannot use the threat of climate change for its own fund-raising purposes when it makes no alternatives available to vehicle users."
 
He said a blanket tax would be imposed on sports utility vehicles (SUV) without recognising enormous variations in fuel efficiency between different models.

The government cannot use the threat of climate change for its own fund-raising purposes when it makes no alternatives available to vehicle users.

Let's hope that these words don't fall on to the deaf ears (attached to the brain dead heads) of the powers that be!!!
 
My 2c.

Let's say I buy, let's say a Land Rover, to drive to work and back. And to bugger around in the mountains a bit. Not the most fuel efficient solution. So I get taxed when I buy the thing, or on my yearly road tax, or, knowing these guys, on both.

You buy a Land Rover exclusively to go bugger around in the mountains once a month. You keep your 323 to drive to work & back. You get taxed the same as I do.

Yet you're using much less fuel than I am.

The only way to tax emissions is to couple it to the amount of fuel used. That's obvious, it's where the emissions come from. You use 20 liters a hundred kilos, I use five, you pay four times the taxes I do. Eezy.

But of course fuel is already taxed, and adding taxes there would probably p*ss the taxi dudes off, and we don't want that.

This is just another tax on rich people.

The department needed to rather look at a subsidy system whereby "clean" cars were subsidised through levies on more energy-hungry cars

The "clean" cars hopefully not being the electric jobbies which just transfer the pollution to Kortbroek's new coal fired power station somewhere around Witbank...

Koos
 
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This tax is nothing more than another way for government to grab more of our hard earned money. They are communist after all.
 
most people have no alternative to cars

...apart from motorcycles, of course. Now, I see no mention of bikes here, which is a blessing. However, if they do decide to tax my *fuel efficient* sportsbike based on power output - which is waaaay out of proportion to fuel usage - then they've clearly lost the plot.

It's an extreme example, but the thing is that there are a few cars out there which are both fuel-efficient and powerful.
 
The "clean" cars hopefully not being the electric jobbies which just transfer the pollution to Kortbroek's new coal fired power station somewhere around Witbank...

Koos

Actually even coal fuelled power stations are more efficient than internal combustion engines found in cars.
 
Just a means from skimming off the top to line the pockets of government?
 
Actually even coal fuelled power stations are more efficient than internal combustion engines found in cars.

Certainly, because you run them at one specific speed and tune the whole system for that.

But factor in the line losses and the losses associated with charging the batteries and the inefficiency of carting a few hundred kilos worth of batteries up and down Ou Kaapse Weg (OK, down, you can probably recharge to full capacity :-) and never mind the pollution associated with heavy metal batteries in general and all in all, I'm not so convinced that electric cars are the solution.

Now, if you want to use that nice yummy coal fired electricity to run trains, then we're talking higher (energy) efficiency than cars.

Koos
 
There is no mention of helicopters or aeroplanes in this new proposed tax law. Maybe it's time we all start flying to work!
 
A Robinson 22 helicopter - basic little chopper - will set you back between R500k and 800k. Cost per hour to run the thing is around R1500. Fuel efficiency is deplorable.

Somehow I don't think that flying to work will sort out the problem. :D
 
Now that you mention it Leitmotif, the piston helicopter could possibly become an alternative to spending hours on the road wasting working hours stuck in traffic jams. The Robinson R44, which is the 4 seater, does operate at R2000 /h and about R550 /h of AVGAS.

3 pax and a pilot cruising at 200 km/h with no taxi's and traffic jams does make economic sense...for larger corporations. And yes a 0 hour R44 will set you back a good R 3 million...

Anyway, not trying to derail the tread...imagine the Rands for kilowatts ratio for a Boeing 747 or Airbus 380 :D
 
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