Russia Claims IP Rights In Manufacture of AK-47

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"In the latest example of over-the-top intellectual property demands, Russia wants licensing fees for the production of AK-47s. According to first deputy prime minister Sergei Ivanov, the unlicensed production of Kalashnikovs (which have been around in very nearly their current form for 60 years) in ex-Soviet Bloc countries is 'intellectual piracy.' A giant but declining power starts demanding royalties on commonly used methods and materials that are widely understood, well known, and by any reasonable standard have long been in the public domain — does this sound familiar?"
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http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/03/1840203

For a country that flaunts international patent and copyright law so much this is classic. Russian fools.
 
But with all due respect.

The AK did come from a Russian. So I do agree with their statement. However the Inventor of the AK is still alive so the IP should be his, not Russia's
 
Will Mozambique have to pay them royalties for using the image of the AK-47 on their flag?
 
w1z4rd said:
I thought the R4 was a derivative for the FN Carbine?
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You are thinking of the R1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4_assault_rifle

The R4 is a South African assault rifle developed in 1980 for the South African Army to replace the R1, which was a variant of the FN FAL. The R4 was first issued during the early 1980s, and is partly based on the Israeli Galil which in turn was based on the Finnish Rk 62. The Rk 62 was derived from the AK-47.
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bwana said:
Will Mozambique have to pay them royalties for using the image of the AK-47 on their flag?
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I Think the AK is like the Protea here in SA.

In Mozambique the AK is a common flower there. It can be found under just about every tree :D
 
w1z4rd said:
I thought the R4 was a derivative for the FN Carbine?
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No, that's the R1.

The R4 is almost an exact copy of the Israeli Galil, which was a 5.56mm rifle derived from the 7.62mm AK-47.
 
The R4 is a South African assault rifle developed in 1980 for the South African Army to replace the R1, which was a variant of the FN FAL. The R4 was first issued during the early 1980s, and is partly based on the Israeli Galil which in turn was based on the Finnish Rk 62. The Rk 62 was derived from the AK-47.
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The R4 is safe.. they have to get through two other countries first :D
 
VanZan said:
I'm curious - if you claim IP rights on a design, can you be held responsible for the application of your IP? If not legally, at least morally?
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You can if it is P2P software... apparently not with firearms. Classic world of hypocrites we live in.
 
w1z4rd said:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/03/1840203

For a country that flaunts international patent and copyright law so much this is classic. Russian fools.
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Interesting logic. Russia is becoming a member of the WTO. The US' refusal to allow them to join this organisation in the previous era caused many problems with copyright and piracy. It just goes to show you cannot have it both ways even if it suits your outmoded cold war rhetoric.

.. besides, putting missiles on the border of a country with Russia doesn't exactly win friends. I hope the lawsuit bankrupts the Czechs and Poles. They deserve a kick in their lederhosen.
 
Germans are the guys who actually use lederhosen... :D

Dunno about the Czechs and Poles...


But, should Russia claims IP on the AK47, will they open themselves for lawsuits demanding compensation from the gun's victims?
 
w1z4rd said:
You can if it is P2P software... apparently not with firearms. Classic world of hypocrites we live in.
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Actually, Rudy Giuliani did try and sue firearms makers for crimes committed in NYC with their guns. Blithering idiot. It's the users, not the product.

If anyone needs an example, should we allow Lasher to be sued every time someone uses a panga to hack a person up? Or Mercedes every time one of their cars is used in a cash-in-transit heist?
 
Then there are those that claim the AK 47 is just an improvement of the WW2 german StG 44...
There's a certain resemblance between the 2..
 
Gru said:
Then there are those that claim the AK 47 is just an improvement of the WW2 german StG 44...
There's a certain resemblance between the 2..
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That's for sure
 
The_Librarian said:
But, should Russia claims IP on the AK47, will they open themselves for lawsuits demanding compensation from the gun's victims?
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Leitmotif said:
Actually, Rudy Giuliani did try and sue firearms makers for crimes committed in NYC with their guns. Blithering idiot. It's the users, not the product.

If anyone needs an example, should we allow Lasher to be sued every time someone uses a panga to hack a person up? Or Mercedes every time one of their cars is used in a cash-in-transit heist?
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Well, there'll still be somebody wanting to give it a try... :rolleyes:
 
Gru said:
Then there are those that claim the AK 47 is just an improvement of the WW2 german StG 44...
There's a certain resemblance between the 2..
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Hey I'm no specialist, but they do seem different:

StG44: Gas-operated, tilting bolt
AK-47: Gas-operated, rotating bolt

The AK-47 used a similar-sized round and followed the design concept, but was mechanically much different.
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-Wikipedia
 
Sturmgewehr 44 (StG44) was not the first rifle to use these features; it was preceded by earlier Italian Cei-Rigotti and Russian Fedorov Avtomat designs.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat

The Soviet Union was quick to adapt the assault rifle concept. The AK-47 used a similar-sized round and followed the design concept, but was mechanically much different.
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Hah!:D
 
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