Black professionals not so happy at work

Skeptik said:
They weren't given a brand new company car and given a private office. Sucks to them!!
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The syndicated survey returns, once filtered by occupation, showed that 52 percent of black professionals say they have been working for the same company since they started their career, compared with 25 percent of the white respondents.

The researchers said: "It can be concluded at a 99% confidence level, that white professionals are significantly more likely to job-hop than black professionals. This means that, statistically, one can disprove the myth and infer that black talent is not significantly more likely to change jobs than other racial counterparts."

Clearly you didn't read the article.
 
The majority surveyed felt that the current work environment did not cater for their needs "and they actually felt like they did not belong. They felt that to fit, they had to change who they were at work and yet for their white counterparts it seemed like a seamless transition from home to work and back home".
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Interesting how easily White Saffers adjust to foreign cultures and get the job done overseas. What is the big cultural issue for black employees. You are at work to work not to exchange notes on your secret biltong recipe or tips where to get live cattle cheaply for your weekend party
 
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white professionals are significantly more likely to job-hop than black professionals.
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If they take into consideration the entire government, definitely true. Look at all the ministers who we all just WISH would job hop, but no, they're stuck there for life , not even the President can get rid of their useless arses.

I mean why job hop if you already get an inflated salary directly tied to your level of incompetence [the worse the higher the salary].
 
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"Interesting how easily White Saffers adjust to foreign cultures and get the job done overseas. What is the big cultural issue for black employees. You are at work to work not to exchange notes on your secret biltong recipe or tips where to get live cattle cheaply for your weekend party"

And thats exactly the problem right there.

Before you going making insensitive comments, take a good look at how you honestly percieve your black peers.
 
My point is my culture is my culture your culture is your culture... we all go to work to do exactly the same job.
 
Jozi101 said:
The syndicated survey returns, once filtered by occupation, showed that 52 percent of black professionals say they have been working for the same company since they started their career, compared with 25 percent of the white respondents.

The researchers said: "It can be concluded at a 99% confidence level, that white professionals are significantly more likely to job-hop than black professionals. This means that, statistically, one can disprove the myth and infer that black talent is not significantly more likely to change jobs than other racial counterparts."

Clearly you didn't read the article.
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They're playing with stats to make it look rosy.

What they failed to mention is that the majority of black professionals are new at the job while a fair portion of the white professionals have been working for 30+ years.
Before 1994 there weren't many black professionals around.
Just because a white professional has worked for 2 or 3 companies in their 40-50 years of service doesn't mean that they're job hoppers.

Now contrast that to black professionals the majority of whom have less than 15 years working experience and then factor in that 48% of them are on at least a second job and the picture is totally different.

The stats will only be accurate once an entire generation of black professionals have been raised and retired.
 
"Just because a white professional has worked for 2 or 3 companies in their 40-50 years of service doesn't mean that they're job hoppers."

I have many white friends, aquaintances and colleagues. Not one of them has been in the same job for more than five years. I will not generalise and say all white people hop around from job to job, but the ones I know and work with ceratinly do.

Contrast that with the coloured and black colleagues I have. Most of them have been in the same job for years.

Besides, what is wrong with hopping from job to job. It is the only viable way of sdequately increasing ones salary and skill set. It is also recommended that you do not stay in the same job for more than five years or you risk stagnation.
 
Is the real issue not maybe the perceptions of those that were interviewed rather than who is or isn't job hopping?
Companies would do well to investigate why these perceptions exist and find out how best to go about changing them if they want to hang on to their intellectual capital. Give and take but companies must play a role.
 
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I have not read the report, but for middle level professionals, unless they want a career in the company and heading for top management, they will never get the same pay raise as can be achieved via job hopping. So for those professionals, staying in the company shows stupidity and job-hoppers are driving the M5 (well, we can dream).

I have personal experience in this where I stayed at a company for 5 years, spent my own time up-skilling (that the company made good use of), but got meager raises of around 8%, then I decided to move companies and damn near got 40% raise on the spot. When I move again, I will get another 16% and if I change my skill set slightly, I'll get 40% increase again.

Yes, you can sit at the same company for a long while, as long as you are climbing the ladder. But if you are not, and the market is moving as this one is, then you are nothing more than a chump.
 
BandwidthAddict said:
I have not read the report, but for middle level professionals, unless they want a career in the company and heading for top management, they will never get the same pay raise as can be achieved via job hopping. So for those professionals, staying in the company shows stupidity and job-hoppers are driving the M5 (well, we can dream).

I have personal experience in this where I stayed at a company for 5 years, spent my own time up-skilling (that the company made good use of), but got meager raises of around 8%, then I decided to move companies and damn near got 40% raise on the spot. When I move again, I will get another 16% and if I change my skill set slightly, I'll get 40% increase again.

Yes, you can sit at the same company for a long while, as long as you are climbing the ladder. But if you are not, and the market is moving as this one is, then you are nothing more than a chump.
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That's so true my man. Job hopping is clearly not limited to certain races. I've got friends that have moved at least twice in the past 2 years, black and white. It is a sure way to increase your pay. Besides if you have the skill and it's in demand you should take advantage of it. If you don't you are just another dimwit and your company will soon replace you with a younger and more ambitious person. I know one white guy at my work who's been given three months notice to find another position because he is too expensive for the job he is doing. That's what happens if you work for one company for too long. The CEO once said the bank is not a lifetime employer, you go figure. You give them loyalty they repay you with a retrenchment package
 
Get rid of BEE and AA if people want to feel like they earned their positions.
 
w1z4rd said:
Get rid of BEE and AA if people want to feel like they earned their positions.
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I earned my AA position...I studied, gathered certificates and experience before I could earn it. Before that I was a lowly paid school teacher (I could have been in the cold striking for 12% today :D)
 
Bageloo
You can't 'earn' an AA position now can you? By definition, it has been reserved for you because of your skin colour.


ebudae said:
"Just because a white professional has worked for 2 or 3 companies in their 40-50 years of service doesn't mean that they're job hoppers."

I have many white friends, aquaintances and colleagues. Not one of them has been in the same job for more than five years. I will not generalise and say all white people hop around from job to job, but the ones I know and work with ceratinly do.

Contrast that with the coloured and black colleagues I have. Most of them have been in the same job for years.

Besides, what is wrong with hopping from job to job. It is the only viable way of sdequately increasing ones salary and skill set. It is also recommended that you do not stay in the same job for more than five years or you risk stagnation.
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Spot on. Without seeing the data for this 'research' we cannot tell how they arrived at these conclusions. They don't seem sound to me.:eek:
 
Skeptik said:
Bageloo
You can't 'earn' an AA position now can you? By definition, it has been reserved for you because of your skin colour.
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I still have to be suitably qualified/experienced and should be the best AA candidate to get the job.


Skeptik said:
Spot on. Without seeing the data for this 'research' we cannot tell how they arrived at these conclusions. They don't seem sound to me.:eek:
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I suppose it was done like all surveys i.e. a representative sample. What exactly is not sound about that...?
I have worked for 3 companies in the past five years and that makes me a black job hopper which is contrary to the findings of the survey...that means I'm that 25% of blacks that are job-hopping. However the survey showed us that white people are more likely to job hop... you can't really disagree with the survey results. It only serves to give a prediction based on probabilities depending on how representative the sample was...
 
Bageloo said:
I still have to be suitably qualified/experienced and should be the best AA candidate to get the job.
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Indeed. Its about giving a suitably qualified HDSA an equal opportunity.

Bageloo said:
... you can't really disagree with the survey results. It only serves to give a prediction based on probabilities depending on how representative the sample was...
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On my experience over last 8 years, the survey is just about right. But, I wouldn't necessary disagree with it even if my experience was contrary.
 
Bageloo said:
I still have to be suitably qualified/experienced and should be the best AA candidate to get the job.
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That is all very subjective and theoretical. As we know with the Cape doctor's saga from Monday, if there is no AA candidate, the job notice sits there for a year waiting and white candidates get cold-shouldered.

And if there is an AA candidate, he will be taken ahead of MORE qualified non-AA person.

Bageloo said:
I suppose it was done like all surveys i.e. a representative sample. What exactly is not sound about that...?
I have worked for 3 companies in the past five years and that makes me a black job hopper which is contrary to the findings of the survey...that means I'm that 25% of blacks that are job-hopping. However the survey showed us that white people are more likely to job hop... you can't really disagree with the survey results. It only serves to give a prediction based on probabilities depending on how representative the sample was...
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The point that was made before (by ebudae) was that white professionals had been in the job market longer and therefore obviously had more 'hops'. So to compare them directly with black pros who have been around for less time and had the same hops - is not fair. :rolleyes:
Therefore we would need to see the data and how the survey was conducted.
 
Skeptik said:
That is all very subjective and theoretical. As we know with the Cape doctor's saga from Monday, if there is no AA candidate, the job notice sits there for a year waiting and white candidates get cold-shouldered.

And if there is an AA candidate, he will be taken ahead of MORE qualified non-AA person.


The point that was made before (by ebudae) was that white professionals had been in the job market longer and therefore obviously had more 'hops'. So to compare them directly with black pros who have been around for less time and had the same hops - is not fair. :rolleyes:
Therefore we would need to see the data and how the survey was conducted.
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Fair enough, the assumption here is that amongst 2000 professionals you'd not be able to find young whites or old blacks
 
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