Government Refuses Funds to Repatriate Fallen SADF Soldiers from Angola

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PART 1
RiP THE REPATRIATION OF OUR FOUR FALLEN COMRADES.


Contact details: RESEARCHER
Land line :012 6585090 IN RECENT SOUTH AFRICAN
Mobile :082 415 7117 MILITARY HISTORY
Facsimile :012 658 5090 20 JUNE 2007
Postal :PO box 10028.
Centurion 0046
mailto: [email protected]

THE REPATRIATION OF OUR FOUR FALLEN COMRADES.

My Greeting to one and all again, this is what army language calls a SITRAP[sic], a situation Report. As I sent one out in March this year I will table this one as SITPAP number 2. It covers the position where we stand at the moment as far as bringing our fallen soldiers, the young men who fought for their Country whether they believed in the Government’s policies or not. A soldier as we know, is there to carry out the orders given to him from his superiors. As you know, the four soldiers were:

a. Captain Daniël J (Tallies) Taljaard SAIC 7 SAI Bn.
b. 2nd Lieutenant Keith A Williamson 11 Squadron SAAF
c. 2nd Lieutenant Eric B Thompson 11 Squadron SAAF
d. Trooper Niel Lombard SAAC 1 SSB

Going through me address lists I have addressed this to those that I remember showed an interest in the proceeding since the search began. Some of you heralded to my appeal on behalf of the families for donations. I thank you very much. In rand and cents we have been able to accumulate a considerable amount but once converted to US$ it is still very little. This time, I am not appealing for donations, although a donation would always be welcome. The essence of the sitrap is to bring you, the people that have showed an interest in the search and an interest in the repatriation of the remains of our fallen comrades up to date with the latest developments.

SITRAP:
We located the graves July 11th last year. Since then I have been trying to get the necessary authorizations, certificates and documentation ready so that we (a family member of each family and myself could go up there and supervise the exhuming of the graves and then bring the remains back to South Africa. Easier said than done and before I realised it here was a much bigger task or mission than previously expected.

At that stage, January/February 2007, we were looking at three scenarios:

a. To fly to SAA Luanda and to hire two 4x4 vehicles and travel by road down to Waku Kunga (Santa Comba) where my contact lived and where the closest hotel to the gravesite is situated. Stay in the hotel there and travel the 200 km per day to the gravesites and, by using local labour, exhume the remains. Once we had the remains, return to Luanda and fly back home with the remains.

b. To charter a private aircraft and after landing at Oshakati/Ondongwa for custom clearance, continue to the airfield at Cela. From here we would try and “borrow” vehicles to go to the gravesites. Here we would have to charter the plane and pilot(s) for the whole period as well as pay fuel and landing charges. We would have to accommodate them in the hotel as well.

c. To go by road from Johannesburg to Waku Kunga and on to Ebo and the gravesites. Return again by road. This would be a grueling six-day trip (if all went well,) staying at least one night alongside the road. The same for returning. Running costs repairs paying of drivers/interpreters would have to be taken into consideration.

With all of these finance was the overriding factor. An air ticket return to Luanda is R6000. The hire of vehicles from $120.00 per day (it is advisable to take one of the hire firm’s drivers. An extra $20.00 to $40.00 per day. (Plus fuel) Hotel: B&B $80.00 per day. Payment of labour, handouts and bribes must also be considered. I have been lucky enough to get first hand information from people who have just returned from a similar mission and an organized tour group that were able to give me valuable tips and information of what to expect and help me with an estimate costing. The worst-case scenario is that we must look at $20 000. But as thing are turning out, we can almost discard the worse case scenario. We still are however very short of finance. Luckily a few donators heralded to plea and came to the fore. I want to express my deepest appreciation to these organizations. Not knowing what the final situation will be, it is difficult to put a figure on what the expected outlay will be. As you see in the different scenarios, the figure will differ from one scenario to the next. Any moneys left over will go to veteran organizations for the upkeep and possible expansion of care for the aged.

What I did not include in the last sitrap was the fact that I was (and hopefully, am,) in consultation with the Honourable Minister of Defence, Mr Mosiua Lekota. On 6 December 2006, I gave him and his personal staff an in-depth briefing on the incident and his response was very positive saying “We, my staff and I, will assist you as much as we can excepting you cannot expect us (the government,) to make any financial contribution. That you must provide.” I accepted his words on good faith. We were and we are collecting our own funds. He asked me further what time frame we were looking at. My answer was that the tropical rain season had set arrived in Central Angola and that it was impossible to move in the area until the rains abated. I said further that we were looking at a date of somewhere in the region of the last two weeks in March/beginning of April. He was pleased at this as: “This gives my staff time to work on all the administration.” He further asked that I specify what I expected from him, (the Minister of Defence,) to do. This I gave to his Chief of Operational Staff in writing.
Through my contacts, my small party and myself were offered the opportunity of flying in with a special United Nations Chartered aircraft leaving on April 14th. They were to fly in to Huambo (Angola,) from where we would hire vehicles to travel the four hundred kilometers to Waku Kunga, (the nearest hotel accommodation to the gravesites.) We would conduct our business there and return to Huambo and fly out again with the United Nations aircraft four days later. I would thus have to have the clearance certificates, permissions and authorizations that I had asked the Minister’s office to obtain by April 13th.

Unfortunately, his personal staff slipped up and between December 2006 and March 2007, nothing was done and to date (it seems,) still nothing has been done. I cannot get an interview with the Minister unless I go through his personal staff and without being biased, it seem as if they are blocking my requests.
If anyone has direct access to the ministers e-mail address I would appreciate being helped. The end result here was that without the clearance certificates, it will serve no purpose to go into Angola to retrieve the remains.

Originally, I set the finding of the locations of the graves as a primary objective and as a secondary objective, the repatriation of the remains of our comrades, the first objective, I have achieved. I will not settle for less. I have over the past few weeks/months received offers that have made the achieving of the objectives more of a reality. One organization held a Golf Day and made a collection.

It appears as if the Government of the Republic of South Africa / SADF/ SANDF and unfortunately I must say numerous Veteran Organizations are not interested in retrieving our soldiers but are prepared to let them lay in a foreign country in untended (up to now unknown) graves, while their families were not even informed of where and how their son’s had died, I have been able to inform the families of how and where the four soldiers were killed. I have assured them that I will not rest until I am able to get them out. The minor threats and attitude of some of the members has not in any way put me off. In fact it has made my resolution even stronger.

...continues
 
PART 2
The tropical rain season is once again almost upon us, and once again, we may have to leave the four soldiers for another few months. The Angolan Government seems to be very much more positive with the repatriation of the soldiers, but I have to have clearance of our government before I can officially and formally approach the Angolans.
In the meantime, my contact on the ground has left Waku Kunga for New Zealand. I would like to take this opportunity of thanking both Henk van Zyl and his wife; Greta for the offering and days spent riding around the minefields of Angola going to reference points I was able to identify as possible areas to search and now that they have left, of leaving an infrastructure in place that we can pick up and carry on. Dankie julle twee.

Luckily I have, (through the Old Boy’s Net) been able to get an organization based in Luanda who have offered help. I must say, in all honesty that this organization is not a South African Organization but is an organization that is rallying to the call of a Fallen Comrade. (Where are our Veteran Organizations?)

Gentlemen and there are a few ladies included in the mailing list, I on behalf of the Taljaard family, the Williamson family that does no longer exist, the Thompson family and the Lombard family appeal to you to consider what the surviving two mothers have been through the last thirty-two years waiting for news of their sons, I appeal to you and ask you to think of the brothers and sisters who would like to bring this horrible episode in their parent’s lives to a closure. Any help will be appreciated.
We, the family representatives and myself are going to bring our comrades and brothers home. At this stage we do not have enough money but we trust that somehow, what we have and what might still come in, will cover our costs.

Once again I thank those of you that have donated, some have not given a reference and I have been unable to write a thank you note, but thank you. I also want to thank those that have shown interest in the search and (hopefully,) the repatriation of our Comrades in Arms.


THEY GAVE UP THEIR TOMORROWS FOR OUR TODAYS
What are you doing today for someone else’ tomorrow?


(Rowley)
Rowland C Medlin
__________________
President SA Forces Club
Only the dead see the end of war !!!!
www.samagte.co.za
 
I seem to remember many stories of cadres from the other side of the conflict getting VIP return treatment and military funerals. Also of families getting handouts to bury their dead.[Can't find any links]
 
I seem to remember many stories of cadres from the other side of the conflict getting VIP return treatment and military funerals. Also of families getting handouts to bury their dead.[Can't find any links]

Wouldn't surprise me. This shouldn't become a political issue anyway. Any idea why they were left there originally?
 
I don't wish to be offensive about an obviously sensitive subject, but some questions:

1. Is this legit?
2. Can the families really not afford to pay?
3. $20k seems VERY steep?
4. Would it not be better to arrange proper gravestones in situ?
5. Thousands of SA soldiers are buried on foreign soil ( Flanders, North Africa ) - why is it necessary to "repatriate" the long-dead remains?
6. Is there a right-wing political agenda on the go here?
 
I don't wish to be offensive about an obviously sensitive subject, but some questions:

1. Is this legit?
2. Can the families really not afford to pay?
3. $20k seems VERY steep?
4. Would it not be better to arrange proper gravestones in situ?
5. Thousands of SA soldiers are buried on foreign soil ( Flanders, North Africa ) - why is it necessary to "repatriate" the long-dead remains?
6. Is there a right-wing political agenda on the go here?

1. Why not send an e-mail and find out.
2. Is this relevant, and why do you suspect they cannot.
3. Charter flights tend to be so - esp to remote places.
4/5. They are untended graves unmarked I as well (I assume). The families can decide, can't they.
6. You're off your trolley :rolleyes:
 
1. Why not send an e-mail and find out.
2. Is this relevant, and why do you suspect they cannot.
3. Charter flights tend to be so - esp to remote places.
4/5. They are untended graves unmarked I as well (I assume). The families can decide, can't they.
6. You're off your trolley :rolleyes:

1. The whole thing seems unnecessary: it doesn't matter that much to me: I am always suspicious of those wanting my money: like sending an email would help.
2. Presumably they are the people to whom this matters the most - such things would normally therefore be for their account.
3. OK.
4/5. see 2.
6. Not always. It could easily be something being made into a big issue to incite emotions and get the relevant part of the populace into De La Rey singing mode.
 
Seeing as they were on official duty I don't think it should be for the family's account.
 
This organization's web site is all in Afrikaans. If you are going to write in English at least get it right - a Situation Report is abbreviated in English as a SITREP, not a SITRAP, or a SITPAP. If you want help from English-speaking ex-SADF members at least put some English on the site - in spite of rumours to the contrary some of the old SADF did actually run in English. This samagte club forum appears to have only two members. As an ex-serving-officer of the old SADF, I have never heard of this "club", in spite of being in regular touch with my old unit. All in all it seems quite strange this whole thing.
 
We should be cautious with every site that involves donations. It's wise to check it out ...

Long-lost graves of SA soldiers unearthed
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=84&art_id=vn20060814042750230C598321

At least we can confirm that the story exists. Now a quick e-mail to the reporter can confirm contact details etc.

This request to government doesn't sound unreasonable. A precedent has already been set with other victims of the conflict getting repatriated. I don't see how rwenzori's arguments about it are balanced. Perhaps he needs to come clean and say why this group should be treated differently - - I thought he was going to mention a "3rd force" ala ANC any minute now (LOL ;))...
However let's not make looney comments. People have died. Let's have some dignity.
 
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I don't see how rwenzori's arguments about it are balanced. Perhaps he needs to come clean and say why this group should be treated differently

As I mentioned, thousands of SA war dead lie in foreign fields. I merely think it is perfectly reasonable to leave them there. No "conspiracy" to "come clean" about. Check out:

http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol043wg.html



I thought he was going to mention a "3rd force" ala ANC any minute now (LOL ;))...
However let's not make looney comments.

No need to impute any of your strange ideas to me.
 
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1. The whole thing seems unnecessary: it doesn't matter that much to me: I am always suspicious of those wanting my money: like sending an email would help.
2. Presumably they are the people to whom this matters the most - such things would normally therefore be for their account.
3. OK.
4/5. see 2.
6. Not always. It could easily be something being made into a big issue to incite emotions and get the relevant part of the populace into De La Rey singing mode.

Hi

About what you said about this "thing" seems unnecessary is very disrepectful.
One of those pilots was my uncle. Unfortunately, i never had a chance to meet him.
You will NEVER know nor UNDERSTAND what pain my gran, my grandfather (who passed away), my dad and his brothers have been going through and still going through.
They have every right to have the remains of the son/brother back and give him lay him to rest.
For 34 years, there has been no closure for them. My Gran still hopes that my uncle will return home (even though deep inside, she knows that he is no longer alive)
The BIG ISSUE is that, no one wants to help bring my uncle and the other pilots back home to their families.
I find that very disgusting
They served for this country, our country and this is how they are paid back???
We all just want them to rest in peace, in the country that they were brought up in. The families want to say goodbye and have final closure
 
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This organization's web site is all in Afrikaans. If you are going to write in English at least get it right - a Situation Report is abbreviated in English as a SITREP, not a SITRAP, or a SITPAP. If you want help from English-speaking ex-SADF members at least put some English on the site - in spite of rumours to the contrary some of the old SADF did actually run in English. This samagte club forum appears to have only two members. As an ex-serving-officer of the old SADF, I have never heard of this "club", in spite of being in regular touch with my old unit. All in all it seems quite strange this whole thing.

Hear! Hear! Well said.
 
When did they die and what were they doing there?

:eek: Dude, how old are you? You may be too young to remember but S.A. fought in a bush war in Angola? I'm assuming they were killed in action.
 
:eek: Dude, how old are you? You may be too young to remember but S.A. fought in a bush war in Angola? I'm assuming they were killed in action.

That was a loooong time ago. My brother survived the war but I would hate to think of him buried up there and not here at home. Also they fought for this country, surely the least they can do is bring back his body.

As to this being a scam, shame on them for doing it but shame on the government if it is not.
 
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