Conspiracy Against South Africa?

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Okay put your tinfoil hates on first please ;)

I was just wondering this morning why so many bad news stories about South Africa do so well overseas?

I am not talking about new stories of crime, neglect, rape, horror blah blah blah. Those I understand.

However what I don't understand is why a story about Desmond Tutu telling the world that he think SA has lost it's moral values has become one of the top stories of the day on BBC News... The story was published on the 27th of September 2006.... for some reason it has been dragged out of the archives by a sheer magnitude of people and is now number 3 on the most emailed list?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5384310.stm

It truly is strange, can anyone explain this?

Oh and please I beg of you lets not talk about the actual story unless it in someway relates to how it became popular again. It is also not the ANC governments fault that this story is doing well on the BBC website...

This is not the first time I have seen this happen, I am just at a loss to explain it.
 
Maybe because they have high regard for a Nobel price winner like Tutu and takes his warnings seriously. Maybe they cannot understand that Tutu saw the dangers and The Government keep ignoring them. Maybe they wonder what is wrong with Africa's nations that cannot and will not learn out of their mistakes. Maybe they see Zim as a precursor to South Africa.
 
GavinMannion said:
Okay put your tinfoil hates on first please ;)

I was just wondering this morning why so many bad news stories about South Africa do so well overseas?

I am not talking about new stories of crime, neglect, rape, horror blah blah blah. Those I understand.

However what I don't understand is why a story about Desmond Tutu telling the world that he think SA has lost it's moral values has become one of the top stories of the day on BBC News... The story was published on the 27th of September 2006.... for some reason it has been dragged out of the archives by a sheer magnitude of people and is now number 3 on the most emailed list?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5384310.stm

It truly is strange, can anyone explain this?

Oh and please I beg of you lets not talk about the actual story unless it in someway relates to how it became popular again. It is also not the ANC governments fault that this story is doing well on the BBC website...

This is not the first time I have seen this happen, I am just at a loss to explain it.
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Hi Gavin,

For me the answer is that people like the world to be simple. It is easier to understand the world if truisms hold.

In this logic:
Africa is a basket case. It always has been and always will be.
Now comes along evidence that South Africa is actually doing quite well for itself. This poses a major threat to peoples' understanding of how the world works. Therefore, they look for evidence to support their original view.

Would be interested in your opinion.
 
GavinMannion said:
However what I don't understand is why a story about Desmond Tutu telling the world that he think SA has lost it's moral values has become one of the top stories of the day on BBC News... The story was published on the 27th of September 2006.... for some reason it has been dragged out of the archives by a sheer magnitude of people and is now number 3 on the most emailed list?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5384310.stm
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Wasn't his story linked from one of the recent Zimbabwe threads? Maybe the sheer weight of myADSLers wanting to read up on something before they offered their opinion on it?

Nah. It was some other Tutu article.
 
NoADSLyet said:
Maybe because they have high regard for a Nobel price winner like Tutu and takes his warnings seriously. Maybe they cannot understand that Tutu saw the dangers and The Government keep ignoring them. Maybe they wonder what is wrong with Africa's nations that cannot and will not learn out of their mistakes. Maybe they see Zim as a precursor to South Africa.
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Thanks, you are obviously incapable of reading the post and would rather just rant about things completely non related instead.

THIS IS AN OLD NEWS ITEM THAT HAS BEEN DRAGGED UP.... WHY????

Breath....

Tassidar, personally I think the article was seen as a link from the latest article about the ANC convention and with the amount of afro-pessimism around it received a huge amount of hits.

The system just counts page views so it has nothing to do with the BBC IMO...

I just wonder why so many people feel the need to read bad news stories about SA?

Out of all the links
HTML: 
2007: Crucial year for ANC
Black faces in new economy
[B]S Africa losing its way - Tutu[/B]
2010 World Cup challenge
Looking forward to gay wedding
Living separate lives
Zuma case reveals rape problem

Only 1 seemed to get a ton of click throughs. It's weird.
 
Well I have always thought that most of the powerful countries have some kind of eye on us, maybe its because of all our mineral rights, one of the richest countries in the world(mineral wise of course).

In the 60's when the US was in a bitter cold war struggle, they were quick to call on south africa to help fight the cubans in angola, and then when the russians pulled back, the Americans immediately pulled out, leaving us in the lurch (now this may all be poppycock, but so may the world having it in for us).

And I think most of the US' stance against apartheid was for the little fact that they wanted their greedy little fingers in a lot of our pies, and the old government just pulled up a laer (ox wagons in a circular formation do defend of attackers) and did everything to become self sufficient.

Ok I'll take the tin foil hat on, and for everyone now getting ready to flame me, I am speculating here, so relax, get a cuppa and watch the snow
 
@Gavin,

I agree with your comments.

In addition to what I said earlier, I also think that expats need constant justification for their decision to move. It is easier to believe that your choice is right, if you believe that SA is going to the dogs.
 
GavinMannion said:
Thanks, you are obviously incapable of reading the post and would rather just rant about things completely non related instead.
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Totally related, Morals is the fiber of society and what Tutu said was correct and truthfull. The Government ignores it and continue with its ways. It not a smear campaign or conspiracy it's looking for facts and anwers to the corntrary. But you would like to rather see it Your way. Its an old story, so wipe it under the carpet. It does not count anymore. Does it?
 
GavinMannion said:
Okay put your tinfoil hates on first please ;)

I was just wondering this morning why so many bad news stories about South Africa do so well overseas?
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IMHO, it comes down to we are exciting and interesting, their news is boring and mundane, with hardly any change from week to week, our news is dynamic and constantly changing.
Our news is a reality show, theirs a boring soapie.. ;)
 
NoADSLyet said:
Totally related, Morals is the fiber of society and what Tutu said was correct and truthfull. The Government ignores it and continue with its ways. It not a smear campaign or conspiracy it's looking for facts and anwers to the corntrary. But you would like to rather see it Your way. Its an old story, so wipe it under the carpet. It does not count anymore. Does it?
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So just for the f&*k of it a story that was 9 months old just rose to the surface again because Morals are the fiber of society?

I can pretty much guarantee you that this story is not the only one about morals published in the last 9 months...

Not related to this discussion, now go away and plan your party instead :p

Gothan, I do think you are very close to the truth there.

Strange how apartheid was allowed for so long by the western governments of the world and it was only when the western citizens started complaining did the governments start to complain as well.....
 
GavinMannion said:
So just for the f&*k of it a story that was 9 months old just rose to the surface again because Morals are the fiber of society?

I can pretty much guarantee you that this story is not the only one about morals published in the last 9 months...

Not related to this discussion, now go away and plan your party instead :p

Gothan, I do think you are very close to the truth there.

Strange how apartheid was allowed for so long by the western governments of the world and it was only when the western citizens started complaining did the governments start to complain as well.....
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FAct is nothing changed in the nine months did it? You are proof of that!
 
NoADSLyet said:
FAct is nothing changed in the nine months did it? You are proof of that!
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:D Thanks for proving that with age does not come wisdom....:rolleyes:

Back to the point at hand, I see the story has now dropped off the top 5 emailed stories, I wonder how many emails are required to get a story on that list.

Maybe MyADSL should attempt to get a Broadband story to stay on the list?
 
Gothan said:
Well I have always thought that most of the powerful countries have some kind of eye on us, maybe its because of all our mineral rights, one of the richest countries in the world(mineral wise of course).
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No one is really interested in our mineral rights nor the Cape sea route for that matter. Too much available cheaper somewhere else. China is interested IMHO for different reasons. They are looking for long term land rights for their over population.

What would a conspiracy or smear campaign against South Africa gain any western or european country? A bit far fetched. Friendly cooperation would then rather be the order of the day.
 
NoADSLyet said:
No one is really interested in our mineral rights nor the Cape sea route for that matter. Too much available cheaper somewhere else. China is interested IMHO for different reasons. They are looking for long term land rights for their over population.

What would a conspiracy or smear campaign against South Africa gain any western or european country? A bit far fetched. Friendly cooperation would then rather be the order of the day.
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Awesome you managed to actually post something mildly related to the topic well done....

If China was the least bit interested in land for their population would it not make more sense to rather grab land closer to themselves though?

In regard to mineral rights I have heard before that we have something like 70% of the worlds platinum reserves. Not to mention our huge Gold and Diamond reserves.

I see mineral rights being more important than land for living on....
 
NoADSLyet said:
No one is really interested in our mineral rights nor the Cape sea route for that matter. Too much available cheaper somewhere else. China is interested IMHO for different reasons. They are looking for long term land rights for their over population.

What would a conspiracy or smear campaign against South Africa gain any western or european country? A bit far fetched. Friendly cooperation would then rather be the order of the day.
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The US = Friendly Cooperation??? Oh my lord, should you be drinking this early in the day? Thats like military intelligence, its a contradiction in terms.

I can see how friendly they are cooperating with iraq, next thing you are going to tell me is that they found weapons of mass destruction.

You are suppose to put the tin foil hat on your head, not stick it in your mouth, and sit in the giant microwave we read about in the other thread
 
GavinMannion said:
Awesome you managed to actually post something mildly related to the topic well done....

If China was the least bit interested in land for their population would it not make more sense to rather grab land closer to themselves though?

In regard to mineral rights I have heard before that we have something like 70% of the worlds platinum reserves. Not to mention our huge Gold and Diamond reserves.

I see mineral rights being more important than land for living on....
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People closer to China cannot be so easy conned neither bribed as is proven possible in Africa. Therefore their "investment" in Zim. For the sake of the people? or for own interest.

Now how by a smearing campaign or conspiracy do you think those minerals can be acquired?

What is Gold good for apart from monetary value, artificially kept high. Diamond have some industrial value and shine, Platinum for CO2 carbon reduction. China is not much interested in any of those at the moment. They are looking at world wide expansion.
 
Gothan said:
The US = Friendly Cooperation???
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Where did anybody state that. Simplistic minds read in simplistic terms and miss the boat completely. Taking two words out of a post and create a new story is well noted on MyADSL by okes like You. Sies man!
 
NoADSLyet said:
Where did anybody state that. Simplistic minds read in simplistic terms and miss the boat completely. Taking two words out of a post and create a new story is well noted on MyADSL by okes like You. Sies man!
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Well actually, I used the US in my example, actually used them by name, and you replied to that....and replied with "friendly cooperation" is better. Sorry my nose is a bit blocked, could not smell any other countries you were referring too, except of course china, which makes no sense at all

Next time try to keep that train of thought on track, this jumping between stations is causing me to get a little bit of motion sickness
 
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Gothan said:
Well actually, I used the US in my example, actually used them by name, and you replied to that....and replied with "friendly cooperation" is better.

Next time try to keep that train of thought on track, this jumping between stations is causing me to get a little bit of motion sickness
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Ok Then explain why would the US have a smear campaign or conspiracy against South Africa via the BBC instead of CNN for the sake of acquiring our minerals?
 
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