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A very interesting news from the AU summit in ghana. actually if the following advices are followed, Africa will be saved from destruction.

Reported by SABC:

Africa must resist Western attempts to effect regime changes in countries like Sudan and Zimbabwe. This was the call to African leaders meeting in Ghana for the African Union (AU) summit. Some African-American civil society groups have lashed out at Western powers for attempting to divide the continent while it is trying to integrate itself.

As leaders arrive to thrash out a unity plan, several other burning issues were brought into sharp focus. Omar al Bashir, the Sudanese president, was put on the spot to explain himself. He blasted the US and others for fuelling the Darfur crisis. According to UN estimates, at least 200 000 people have died from the combined effect of war and famine since the conflict started in 2003.

Akbar Muhammad, from the Youth 4 Africa Foundation, says: "The Darfur issue is being used to divide Africa further - Arabs against black Africans. This has been pushed in the American papers continuously and the real issue is the oil in the Sudan."

Learning from the past
Washington's decision to impose further sanctions has been slammed as an attempt to effect an Iraqi-style regime change. A similar view was expressed about Zimbabwe. Muhammad said: "The black people of Zimbabwe who fought the colonial masters have a right to their own land, an inordinate amount of land that must go to the black people."

At the summit, leaders spoke of the urgency to resolve remaining conflicts to achieve the integration they will be debating over the next two days. Africans from the diaspora have turned up in their numbers to support the continent's efforts towards integration. But they say Africans must guard against the mistakes of the past - not to allow the West to dictate the terms of conflict resolution.

http://www.sabcnews.com/politics/government/0,2172,151789,00.html
 
Shaka said:
At the summit, leaders spoke of the urgency to resolve remaining conflicts to achieve the integration they will be debating over the next two days. Africans from the diaspora have turned up in their numbers to support the continent's efforts towards integration. But they say Africans must guard against the mistakes of the past - not to allow the West to dictate the terms of conflict resolution.

http://www.sabcnews.com/politics/government/0,2172,151789,00.html
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X dead people

X political prisoners

X rigged elections

X wars

X child killers, rapists, and crimes against humanity.

Where is the "urgent conflict resolution"

Um. Nowhere.
 
Africa should stop talking out of their collective asses.

Africa pushes the West away with the one hand while begging for money, medical aid and such with the other, either way, you can't have both. The West has every right to demand whatever for their money, even if it is 10 000 people doing cart wheels all day. What does African leaders think they are? They are nothing in the global scheme of things.

The West should ignore Africa for 20 years, once these people have killed themselves with their superior policies and ideas, the West can reclaim their colonies and the remaining people would rather be under British control, than Mugabe idiots.

The West is superior, face it. Africa, get down from your high horse.
 
lsuacner said:
Africa should stop talking out of their collective asses.

Africa pushes the West away with the one hand while begging for money, medical aid and such with the other, either way, you can't have both. The West has every right to demand whatever for their money, even if it is 10 000 people doing cart wheels all day. What does African leaders think they are? They are nothing in the global scheme of things.

The West should ignore Africa for 20 years, once these people have killed themselves with their superior policies and ideas, the West can reclaim their colonies and the remaining people would rather be under British control, than Mugabe idiots.

The West is superior, face it. Africa, get down from your high horse.
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There is nothing legal about what you have said, what you say is the same as saying we should legalise child pornography. i am sure soon you will tell us that those who hold others at gun point while robbing their victimes are superior.
 
lsuacner said:
Africa should stop talking out of their collective asses.

Africa pushes the West away with the one hand while begging for money, medical aid and such with the other, either way, you can't have both. The West has every right to demand whatever for their money, even if it is 10 000 people doing cart wheels all day. What does African leaders think they are? They are nothing in the global scheme of things.

The West should ignore Africa for 20 years, once these people have killed themselves with their superior policies and ideas, the West can reclaim their colonies and the remaining people would rather be under British control, than Mugabe idiots.
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Hear! Hear!
 
lsuacner said:
Africa should stop talking out of their collective asses.

Africa pushes the West away with the one hand while begging for money, medical aid and such with the other, either way, you can't have both. The West has every right to demand whatever for their money, even if it is 10 000 people doing cart wheels all day. What does African leaders think they are? They are nothing in the global scheme of things.

The West should ignore Africa for 20 years, once these people have killed themselves with their superior policies and ideas, the West can reclaim their colonies and the remaining people would rather be under British control, than Mugabe idiots.

The West is superior, face it. Africa, get down from your high horse.
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Far superior, in what way. please explain. While I agree that the west have every right to demand money for their services, I believe that they should keep there stinking culture to themselves. Why is it that they always need to impose their culture on Africa. Look at China, they do not impose their culture on us. Its so bad now that we even believe that western culture is the norm. What ever happened to african culture. The west are superior, you are right at exploiting countries and people. Oh and at murdering people. Yes, the US alone has murdered more people than anyone else (including terrorists).

PS: I bet Magabe will beat Bush in an IQ test. So who is the real idiot.
 
Sharkey said:
Far superior, in what way. please explain. While I agree that the west have every right to demand money for their services, I believe that they should keep there stinking culture to themselves. Why is it that they always need to impose their culture on Africa. Look at China, they do not impose their culture on us. Its so bad now that we even believe that western culture is the norm. What ever happened to african culture. The west are superior, you are right at exploiting countries and people. Oh and at murdering people. Yes, the US alone has murdered more people than anyone else (including terrorists).
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What clothes are you wearing? What life style are you living? Enjoying the internet by any chance? You might find it harder to give up than you think. ;)
 
bwana said:
What clothes are you wearing? What life style are you living? Enjoying the internet by any chance? You might find it harder to give up than you think. ;)
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I agree Bwana but like I said it has become the norm. I am not complaining, I am rather point out the fact that Western aid is not as "free" as certain members think.

BTW: My clothes are from China :p
 
bwana said:
What clothes are you wearing? What life style are you living? Enjoying the internet by any chance? You might find it harder to give up than you think. ;)
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You 100% wrong, I can also say what money are you using today? If you did not know, that Chinese created money. I can also say what rocket technology Europe uses? Koreans created the rocket technology, and the internet was created in a multi-racial country, it simply mean the credit goes to all the race group part of that country. the department of the defense of the USA is a multi-racial body, and they are the origin of the internet. I am not even talking about different players from all over the world who made it possible for the internet to be how it is today. And concerning the cloth story, would you tell me F.U.B.U clothing brand from African Americans, are yours too?
 
I can see where this one is going, so I'll add my opinion before it gets closed.;)

One can not depend on someone else for almost everything, and then still demand that one is independent and one can make one's own decisions?! (with the resources provided by the some one else) Especially it one have a long and well established track record of f*cking it up! (pardon the explicit)

If one is really independent, then one would not be in a position to "need" anything (especially handouts, support or aid) from anybody, and one can then be responsible for one's own decisions and suffer the consequences?!

Now this was not racist in any way. And it is so common sense - why can the esteemed leaders not understand it either?

:rolleyes:
 
VanZan said:
I can see where this one is going, so I'll add my opinion before it gets closed.;)

One can not depend on someone else for almost everything, and then still demand that one is independent and one can make one's own decisions?! (with the resources provided by the some one else) Especially it one have a long and well established track record of f*cking it up! (pardon the explicit)

If one is really independent, then one would not be in a position to "need" anything (especially handouts, support or aid) from anybody, and one can then be responsible for one's own decisions and suffer the consequences?!

Now this was not racist in any way. And it is so common sense - why can the esteemed leaders not understand it either?

:rolleyes:
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Fair comments but perhaps you forget that while we have the raw material, eg diamonds, oil, etc. the west were quick to take (steal really) them, and then sell it back to Africa for a profit and in the process increase the wealth of their companies. Unfortunately, we do not have the skills and means to process our raw materials. Now if the West were such "heores", perhaps they could have taught the locals and help to set up LOCAL factories, refineries etc. but no, they were too greedy and exploited Africa. Even now, who owns the diamonds of SA. Now perhaps if the west were more willing to giving back (I do not call selling polished diamonds back to the country which mined them for a profit giving back) and not "rape" the continent of anything of value, we might not feel the same way dont you think. If you cannot see the blatant exploitation, then I give up.
 
Shaka said:
You 100% wrong, I can also say what money are you using today? If you did not know, that Chinese created money.
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"Chelone coins[2] were the first medium of exchange that was not backed by a real value good."
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You'd better tell wiki they got it wrong.
Shaka said:
I can also say what rocket technology Europe uses? Koreans created the rocket technology,
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The greatest advances in rocketry as we know it today arguably came out of WW2.
Shaka said:
and the internet was created in a multi-racial country
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So? Its still a country and a western one at that.
Shaka said:
And concerning the cloth story, would you tell me F.U.B.U clothing brand from African Americans, are yours too?
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Do I wear FUBU? Can you even be certain I'm not African-American? Its widely known here where I'm from ;)
 
Sharkey said:
Fair comments but perhaps you forget that while we have the raw material, eg diamonds, oil, etc. the west were quick to take (steal really) them, and then sell it back to Africa for a profit and in the process increase the wealth of their companies. Unfortunately, we do not have the skills and means to process our raw materials. Now if the West were such "heores", perhaps they could have taught the locals and help to set up LOCAL factories, refineries etc. but no, they were too greedy and exploited Africa. Even now, who owns the diamonds of SA. Now perhaps if the west were more willing to giving back (I do not call selling polished diamonds back to the country which mined them for a profit giving back) and not "rape" the continent of anything of value, we might not feel the same way dont you think. If you cannot see the blatant exploitation, then I give up.
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No - I am sorry but your argument does not hold any water. Raw materials from Africa is bought by everybody (East, West, and everybody in between) at market prices and is exported through their own customs structures getting taxes etc. Nobody is stealing or taking any raw materials. It is true that politicians and other power figures gain extraordinary monetary benefits from certain arrangements, and these are the real problems, but why is anybody else except Africa responsible for it's own development and problems. Why is Africa the only continent where almost all of the countries have the same problems?

If you advertise yourself as a prostitute and getting paid for your services - you can not cry "rape" afterwards if you are unhappy about the reputation gained.

Greed and quick satisfaction is the problem in Africa - exploitation in these situations can only happen by mutual consent. I am not justifying the actions of unscrupulous businesses operating in Africa but how can they do it without the full support of the country in which they operate?
 
We don't we need any guidance from people who themselves are waging all sorts of illegal wars all over the place and killing innocent civilians and calling it "fighting terrorism".
 
tibby.dude said:
We don't we need any guidance from people who themselves are waging all sorts of illegal wars all over the place and killing innocent civilians and calling it "fighting terrorism".
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Then petition your government decline any future aid.
 
bwana said:
You'd better tell wiki they got it wrong. The greatest advances in rocketry as we know it today arguably came out of WW2. So? Its still a country and a western one at that. Do I wear FUBU? Can you even be certain I'm not African-American? Its widely known here where I'm from ;)
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Your reply is weak and defenseless. I am sure you didn’t; understand what I meant in my reply. I simply meant, they the west got where they are using other people creations, they should not think they are entitled to hurt others because of their creations, which is also very difficult to say if the west has any creation of their own. I hear by the west those who specifically hurt Africa, and who are still the number one cause of problem on the continent.
 
Shaka said:
There is nothing legal about what you have said, what you say is the same as saying we should legalise child pornography. i am sure soon you will tell us that those who hold others at gun point while robbing their victimes are superior.
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This is an American political trick, if you don't like what someone says compare it to child pornography and say "think of the children". Your argument makes no sense, so here is mine, you are an idiot and I am not one. If you want to partake in this discussion qualify your arguments.

Sharkey said:
Far superior, in what way. please explain. While I agree that the west have every right to demand money for their services, I believe that they should keep there stinking culture to themselves. Why is it that they always need to impose their culture on Africa. Look at China, they do not impose their culture on us. Its so bad now that we even believe that western culture is the norm. What ever happened to african culture. The west are superior, you are right at exploiting countries and people. Oh and at murdering people. Yes, the US alone has murdered more people than anyone else (including terrorists).

PS: I bet Magabe will beat Bush in an IQ test. So who is the real idiot.
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The West is superior, it is obvious since the whole World tries to emulate them. The Western culture has not been forced on to people in generations, those people accepted that culture and let go of their own. You ask what happened to the African culture, I ask of you, what is an African culture other than the beads, the up and down simplistic patterns on mud huts? Market your culture better, since I have no clue what its about and I don't want to emulate it.

Like the above, stop with the US murdered so and so, the ANC used terrorist tactics yet nobody is complaining about it today. The needs of the many outweigh the few. An IQ test is just that, a test, its only a general indication of intelligence. Mugabe is an idiot, I'm sure Bush is aware that Americans need food, water, good health and a growing economy.

Sharkey said:
Fair comments but perhaps you forget that while we have the raw material, eg diamonds, oil, etc. the west were quick to take (steal really) them, and then sell it back to Africa for a profit and in the process increase the wealth of their companies. Unfortunately, we do not have the skills and means to process our raw materials. Now if the West were such "heores", perhaps they could have taught the locals and help to set up LOCAL factories, refineries etc. but no, they were too greedy and exploited Africa. Even now, who owns the diamonds of SA. Now perhaps if the west were more willing to giving back (I do not call selling polished diamonds back to the country which mined them for a profit giving back) and not "rape" the continent of anything of value, we might not feel the same way dont you think. If you cannot see the blatant exploitation, then I give up.
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The West was very insistent that Africa stay colonised till Africa was ready to rule themselves. Africa insisted on independence before they were ready to control a country and before they had the necessary skill to do so.

Where do you think South-Africa would have been had the ANC taken over in 1966? The same place Botswana is, no where. Africa can blame only themselves, the West has done its part, tried to correct its wrongs, African leaders, do not lead anything but money in to their own pockets.

Africa is in a bad situation and the West can not do anything about it while Africa does not acknowledge they need the West and that Africa is a wasteland. Europe has so little natural resources, yet they are the global leaders. Does that make sense?
 
VanZan said:
No - I am sorry but your argument does not hold any water. Raw materials from Africa is bought by everybody (East, West, and everybody in between) at market prices and is exported through their own customs structures getting taxes etc. Nobody is stealing or taking any raw materials.
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Oh really? What do you call it when the west devises bogus aid schemes which actually hurt the local economies more than help them, which in turn drives down local manufacturing ability and thus also drives down the demand and thus prices for those raw materials?

See, if Africa starts using those raw materials that they sell, raw material prices would skyrocket because demand would increase substancially. This would in turn hurt the profit margins of developed countries and would also drive up the prices of many if not most processed goods. This in turn means a lower standard of living for the developed world and generally less money to throw about on luxuries.

Ergo the developed world has a vested interest in keeping Africa poor, and it does so in order to have a source of cheap labour and raw materials.

Ok, so it may not be theft as such. But whatever it is, it's hardly any less despicable.

It is true that politicians and other power figures gain extraordinary monetary benefits from certain arrangements, and these are the real problems, but why is anybody else except Africa responsible for it's own development and problems. Why is Africa the only continent where almost all of the countries have the same problems?
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Because even if Africa was the paragon of good governance and there was NO corruption to be found anywhere, the continent would still find itself in the quagmire it is in today thanks to the expoitive practices of the developed world.

UNTIL this problem is addressed, Africa ain't going nowhere.

If you advertise yourself as a prostitute and getting paid for your services - you can not cry "rape" afterwards if you are unhappy about the reputation gained.
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True, but etirely unrelated to the situation at hand.

Greed and quick satisfaction is the problem in Africa - exploitation in these situations can only happen by mutual consent.
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Is it mutual consent when the developed world installs strongmen to do the developed world's bidding at the cost of the wellbeing of the populace these strongmen are actually supposed to govern?

Again, the developed world doesn't give a flying fig for democracy. Regime change is used to kick out rulers who block economic interests. If you're a ruler who screws his people over by bending over backwards for those economic interests, you're hailed as a beacon of peace and stability.

I am not justifying the actions of unscrupulous businesses operating in Africa but how can they do it without the full support of the country in which they operate?
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I believe the correct term is 'organised crime'.
 
lsuacner said:
This is an American political trick, if you don't like what someone says compare it to child pornography and say "think of the children". Your argument makes no sense, so here is mine, you are an idiot and I am not one. If you want to partake in this discussion qualify your arguments.



The West is superior, it is obvious since the whole World tries to emulate them. The Western culture has not been forced on to people in generations, those people accepted that culture and let go of their own. You ask what happened to the African culture, I ask of you, what is an African culture other than the beads, the up and down simplistic patterns on mud huts? Market your culture better, since I have no clue what its about and I don't want to emulate it.

Like the above, stop with the US murdered so and so, the ANC used terrorist tactics yet nobody is complaining about it today. The needs of the many outweigh the few. An IQ test is just that, a test, its only a general indication of intelligence. Mugabe is an idiot, I'm sure Bush is aware that Americans need food, water, good health and a growing economy.



The West was very insistent that Africa stay colonised till Africa was ready to rule themselves. Africa insisted on independence before they were ready to control a country and before they had the necessary skill to do so.

Where do you think South-Africa would have been had the ANC taken over in 1966? The same place Botswana is, no where. Africa can blame only themselves, the West has done its part, tried to correct its wrongs, African leaders, do not lead anything but money in to their own pockets.

Africa is in a bad situation and the West can not do anything about it while Africa does not acknowledge they need the West and that Africa is a wasteland. Europe has so little natural resources, yet they are the global leaders. Does that make sense?
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i will not reply to you because the moderator will probably ban me. i saw that in the past.
 
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