Aussies admit they are in Iraq because of the oil

well.. we all knew this didnt we :D
 
MrG said:
well.. we all knew this didnt we
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Not the myKKK boys, I would venture to suggest.

Thanks for the link tibby. Not sure what they mean by "premature withdrawal" though - sounds like birth control to me.
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They's using some of the oil to finance the fight against the insurgents. No insurgents, no Americans, more oil. EeeZee logic !!
 
tibby.dude said:
Yeah he is so powerfull that he can't even crush a few thousand pesky insurgents in Iraq :).
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He could but thankfully he'd rather not risk the lives of so many civilians. Oh those aren't pesky insurgents I might add. They are highly driven, well supplied and reasonably organized. Considering the type of warfare they are fighting the U.S is neutralizing them at a phenomenal rate. I saw the kill to lose ratio somewhere and it is quite staggering.
 
alanf85 said:
Considering the type of warfare they are fighting the U.S is neutralizing them at a phenomenal rate. I saw the kill to lose ratio somewhere and it is quite staggering.
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Seems to give you a warm feeling? You LIKE it?

Yes genocide: what else can it be when a country has invaded illegally? Of course you completely discount the loss of 3500+ dead american troops, ah collateral damage in 'George's War on Terror.' Seems (to me) the greatest terror is folks receiving their kids home in body bags (oh but George doesn't want you to see that.)

[and no: I haven't looked at the photos, I've seen too many]

Consider: George invaded a country based on lies, false intelligence, and belligerence (didn't hitler do that?)

600 thousand plus dead civilians. Then we factor in your 'warm fuzzy feeling above," so what? Shall we call it a million dead people?

Here is some cost of your warm fuzzy feeling (and let's remember based on a lie.)

Latest Dead
July 3, 2007 -- 4

Spc. James L. Adair, 26, of Carthage, Texas, died June 29 in Baghdad, Iraq, of wounds sustained when his vehicle struck an improvised explosive device. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 28th Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kan.

Lance Cpl. Juan M. Garcia Schill, 20, of Grants Pass, Ore., died July 2 while conducting combat operations in Al Anbar province, Iraq. He was assigned to 2nd Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Twentynine Palms, Calif.

Two Soldiers died July 1 in Ta’meem, Iraq, of wounds sustained from enemy small arms fire:

Sgt. 1st Class Raymond R. Buchan, 33, of Johnston, Pa. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 18th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division, Schweinfurt, Germany.

Staff Sgt. Michael L. Ruoff Jr., 31, of Yosemite, Calif. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 77th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division, Schweinfurt, Germany.

July 2, 2007 -- 3

Spc. Victor A. Garcia, 22, of Rialto, Calif., died July 1 in Baghdad, Iraq, of wounds suffered from enemy small arms fire. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 38th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division (Stryker Brigade Combat Team), Fort Lewis, Wash.

Pfc. Jonathan M. Rossi, 20, of Safety Harbor, Fla., died July 1 in Baghdad, Iraq, of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked his unit using an improvised explosive device and small arms fire. He was assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 12th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Bliss, Texas.

Staff Sgt. Robb L. Rolfing, 29, of Milton, Mass., died June 30 in Baghdad, Iraq, of wounds sustained from enemy small arms fire. He was assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne), Fort Carson, Colo.

July 1, 2007 -- 6

Five soldiers died June 28 of wounds sustained when their unit was attacked in Baghdad by insurgents using improvised explosive devices. They were assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 2d Brigade Combat Team, 2d Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.:

Sgt. Shin W. Kim, 23, of Fullerton, Calif.,

Sgt. Michael J. Martinez, 24, of Chula Vista, Calif.,

Sgt. Giann C. Joya Mendoza, 27, of North Hollywood, Calif.,

Spc. Dustin L. Workman II, 19, of Greenwood, Neb.

Pfc. Cory F. Hiltz, 20, of La Verne, Calif.

Sgt. William W. Crow Jr., 28, of Grandview Plaza, Kan., died June 28 in Baghdad, of wounds sustained when his vehicle was struck by an improvised explosive device. He was assigned to the 2d Battalion, 16th Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kan.

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Ah, just read (seems to sum it up quite well)

we all know we don't have anything remotely close to true 'representative' government, and that these alleged 'representatives' of ours neither see our correspondence, nor care if they did see what we write them, about real problems, real 'TREASON' being done by our MILITARY by direction from this corrupt, scummy, illegitimate BASTARD WHO ILLEGALLY OCCUPIES THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT.

so, having said this, nothing short of HANGING BY THE NECK UNTIL THEY ARE DEAD (I know, you pussies out there are having conniptions over my incessant demand that these TREASONOUS SONS OF BITCHES BE HANGED, aren't you?) will suffice. This republic cannot survive if we do not ensure that for the levels of HIGH TREASON this son of a bitch and his minions in the WHORE HOUSE have committed, is fully punished by a NOOSE, after a trial in the Hague, Netherlands, for WAR CRIMES after he's impeached and found guilty of TREASON here in the U.S.

George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Steven Cambone, Condoleeza Rice, Elliot Abrams, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Steven Hadley, Douglas Feith, and any others in the Pentagon who assisted in what took place on Sept. 11, 2001, as well as the illegal war and occupation of Iraq, all need to see a NOOSE after trial. Every ****ing one of them. Colin Powell needs to be added to that list, for his TREASON, as well.

after we've hanged these bastards, we need to hang every single member of the REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE in CONGRESS and the SENATE, and then, do the same to EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT THAT VOTED TO AUTHORIZE THE PATRIOT ACT, as well as the WAR IN IRAQ.

Lastly, if the Right Wing SONS OF BITCHES ON THE SUPREME COURT cannot be removed peacefully, they need to be arrested, tried by tribunal, and HANGED for their TREASON, as well.
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The Iraq War, and subsequent occupation of Iraq, has only driven up the price of oil.

You want stable governments for cheaper oil - not anarchy and chaos. <_< Saddam's regime was pretty stable - even if Saddam was an *******. Seriously, anyone who wanted cheap oil would have been in bed with Saddam - his regime was actually capable of keeping the Islamist loonies in check, albeit with tyranny.
 
Oh yes and while you are at it please explain who is killing the troops and why? Also who is killing the vast majority of innocent Iraqi's
 
alanf85 said:
Oh please. You care so much for the soldiers plight yet you continually undermine their efforts :sick:. You're fuelling flames with your spreading of cr@p that they are fighting for oil blah, blah. You claim to feel for their parents yet you are spewing propaganda that puts their kids at greater risk. Ask them and the soldiers and see what they think of your "concern". :sick:

Why don't you list the names of innocent people killed by Islamic extremists not only in Iraq but around the world. C'mon surely you have some leftie rag website keeping track :o
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So WE must sanction genocide in a false war "that is putting their kids at greater risk?" You just don't get it do you? FALSE WAR. Get out of Iraq NOW! (Impeach Bush NOW!)

Yeah I'm sure the Islamofascist Terrorist Death List would be so much SHORTER than a million people!

And why? Oh because america doesn't TALK to terrorists! ROF! :D

Yeah, a real problem solver! :eek:

>leftie rag website keeping track

//oh and by the way: if you had LOOKED you would know the full list is there. But then you never look do you (you are too set in your DEATH ways.)
 
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The big news on the streets today is that the people of Baqubah are generally ecstatic, although many hold in reserve a serious concern that we will abandon them again. For many Iraqis, we have morphed from being invaders to occupiers to members of a tribe. I call it the “al Ameriki tribe,” or “tribe America.”

I’ve seen this kind of progression in Mosul, out in Anbar and other places, and when I ask our military leaders if they have sensed any shift, many have said, yes, they too sense that Iraqis view us differently. In the context of sectarian and tribal strife, we are the tribe that people can—more or less and with giant caveats—rely on.

Most Iraqis I talk with acknowledge that if it was ever about the oil, it’s not now. Not mostly anyway. It clearly would have been cheaper just to buy the oil or invade somewhere easier that has more. Similarly, most Iraqis seem now to realize that we really don’t want to stay here, and that many of us can’t wait to get back home. They realize that we are not resolved to stay, but are impatient to drive down to Kuwait and sail away. And when they consider the Americans who actually deal with Iraqis every day, the Iraqis can no longer deny that we really do want them to succeed. But we want them to succeed without us. We want to see their streets are clean and safe, their grass is green, and their birds are singing. We want to see that on television. Not in person. We don’t want to be here. We tell them that every day. It finally has settled in that we are telling the truth.

Now that all those realizations and more have settled in, the dynamics here are changing in palpable ways.

Since my reporting of the massacre at the al Hamari village, many readers at home have asked how anyone can know that al Qaeda actually performed the massacre. The question is a very good one, and one that I posed from the first hour to Iraqis and Americans while trying to ascertain facts about the killings.

No one can claim with certainty that it was al Qaeda, but the Iraqis here seem convinced of it. At a meeting today in Baqubah one Iraqi official I spoke with framed the al Qaeda infiltration and influence in the province. Although he spoke freely before a group of Iraqi and American commanders, including Staff Major General Abdul Kareem al Robai who commands Iraqi forces in Diyala, and LTC Fred Johnson, the deputy commander of 3-2 Stryker Brigade Combat Team, the Iraqi official asked that I withhold his identity from publication. His opinion, shared by others present, is that al Qaeda came to Baqubah and united many of the otherwise independent criminal gangs.
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Iraqi's are learning the hard way that the "invaders" aren't in it for the oil like they've been mislead to believe by your ilk and the extremists. In places like Hitt the extremists have been kicked out and the U.S welomed back because they have seen and suffered what Al Queda has to offer. They aren't the "resistance fighter" average muslims with "grievances" that you propagate but religious extremist thugs torturing and killing ordinary Iraqi's while the U.S is their only protection not invaders hell bent on "stealing" their oil.
 
Point is: if the yanks weren't there there would be nothing to attack (but you miss that small point.)
 
kilo39 said:
So WE must sanction genocide in a false war "that is putting their kids at greater risk?" You just don't get it do you? FALSE WAR. Get out of Iraq NOW! (Impeach Bush NOW!)

Yeah I'm sure the Islamofascist Terrorist Death List would be so much SHORTER than a million people!

And why? Oh because america doesn't TALK to terrorists! ROF! :D

Yeah, a real problem solver! :eek:

>leftie rag website keeping track

//oh and by the way: if you had LOOKED you would know the full list is there. But then you never look do you (you are too set in your DEATH ways.)
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Pull out and leave the Iraqis at the mercy of these religious thugs :sick:. Then how many will die? Or will the resistance fighters magically just stop bombing, murdering and torturing when the U.S pull out :rolleyes:

Still no list of victims of extremists. Still no anwser on who is killling the troops or why nevermind innocent Iraqis:o
 
kilo39 said:
Point is: if the yanks weren't there there would be nothing to attack (but you miss that small point.)
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What all moderate Muslims would suddenly disappear and they'd have nobody to force their extremist ideology on. Perhaps the Yanks will take them all back to America with them :o

Actually you are right. Not long after they Yanks pull out all of them will have to toe the line or they'll be dead. So yeah once all the k*frs and moderates are erased then ther will be "peace" with the odd bit of violent public beheadings or stonings to keep it that way.

Untill they move onto the next country that is :o
 
alanf85 said:
Pull out and leave the Iraqis at the mercy of these religious thugs :sick:. Then how many will die? Or will the resistance fighters magically just stop bombing, murdering and torturing when the U.S pull out :rolleyes:

Still no list of victims of extremists. Still no anwser on who is killling the troops or why nevermind innocent Iraqis:o
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No. An HONEST assessment needs to be made of the situation and a suitable international force assigned including an HONEST assessment of 'the muslim issue,' with a real will to solve those problems (ie, all [muslim] international terrorism stems from the situation in Israel and other similar situations around the world.) Not creating more wars on the basis of lies.

Tell me how hamas was planning on taking over the world?
Tell me how Al Queda was planning on taking over the world?
Tell me how "radical islamism" is going to take over the world?

Notes the force in afghanistan is nato. Where is the nato/UN force in Iraq?
 
Kilo, really, don't bother. Fanatics are blind to any and all reason.
 
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