Iraqi invasion was all about the oil - Greenspan

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This statement was made by Alan Greenspan in his recently published memoirs:
“I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,”

Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2461214.ece

For the vast majority of us that's not really news (besides from the Bush-lovers amongst us like Alan and Marine of course) but it is still nice to finally get an admission out of Washington after years of propaganda about WMDs and fighting terrorism.

Here's an interesting article that explores the implications of this statement for Iran:

http://counterpunch.org/jacobs09242007.html
...and I quote:
Oil and other energy resources are also the reason Washington is threatening Iran. There are other factors certainly, not least among them a desire for revenge on the Iranian revolution, but the fundamental motivation for the US threats of military action against Iran is to replace the current regime in Tehran with one that will do Washington's bidding and provide them with access to that nation's oil on terms set by DC, not Tehran.

Ia a related incident, the US are pressurising the Iraqi goverment to pass a law that would give their companies a 30 year exclusive and irrevocable monopoly on Iraqi oil:

THE PRESSURE that the US administration of President George W Bush is applying on the Iraqi government of Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki and others in Iraq for having the draft law on the country's oil resources passed and enacted clearly shows the truth in what many commentators have been saying from day one of the US invasion of Iraq: It was oil all along and it is also oil ahead.

The draft law on Iraqi oil will open the door for 30-year exclusive rights for British and American oil companies and these rights cannot be revoked by future Iraqi governments.

Source: http://www.godubai.com/gulftoday/article.asp?AID=27&Section=Editorial

Such nice people, these NeoCons. :sick:
 
LOL this has been out for a week :o

Shame the old scrooge must not be getting much from his moonbat wife. Must wonder why he only spoke up now :confused:

LMAO! Is that the best you could come up with? No rebuttal? No explanations about making the world a better place by getting rid of despotic dictators and spreading democracy?

Also, if you'll care to do a search, you'll see that this topic has not been discussed on this forum yet. Does myBB have an expiration date on news items allowed to be published?
 
LMAO! Is that the best you could come up with? No rebuttal? No explanations about making the world a better place by getting rid of despotic dictators and spreading democracy?

Also, if you'll care to do a search, you'll see that this topic has not been discussed on this forum yet. Does myBB have an expiration date on news items allowed to be published?

I do actually

EDIT: I never said it had been discussed on this thread


'While there are significant long-term risks associated with such contractual arrangements, the well-informed actor, motivated by some historically recognized intangibilities -- maximization of regalement, binary association, et al -- finds that those outweigh the downside risks. To wit, would you -- exigencies and externalities permitting -- enter into a matrimonial association of indefinite duration with me?"

That's not a direct quote, of course, just my speculation. But on Sunday's "60 Minutes" profile of Alan Greenspan, we learned that the former Fed chairman dated NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell for 13 years before he asked her to marry him. "He used Fed-speak," Mitchell recalled. "Who knew he was proposing? I couldn't figure it out."

Greenspan observers were similarly befuddled by a seemingly plain-spoken statement in his memoir, "The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World."

Greenspan wrote that the Iraq war was "largely about oil," according to an excerpt in the Washington Post on Saturday. The statement quickly raced around the globe, with headlines like this one from Britain's Daily Telegraph: "Iraq was about oil -- Greenspan attacks U.S. motivation for war." The Independent began its own editorial by declaring: "The credibility of President George Bush's policy on Iraq has suffered another devastating blow. It is all the more powerful for having come not from a political enemy but from someone who was showered with plaudits by the administration."

The quoted phrase ran through the Sunday news shows and the blogosphere like a bad intestinal virus. On CNN's "Late Edition," Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Burlingame) was asked if he agreed with Greenspan. "To a very large extent I agree with him, and I think it is very remarkable that it took Alan Greenspan all these many years and being out of office [to state] the obvious."

Well, that is very interesting. But first we should clear the air about something. Greenspan claims that the quote was taken out of context. Greenspan called the Post -- Bob Woodward, no less -- to say that, in fact, he didn't think the White House was motivated by oil. Rather, he was. A Post story Monday explained that Greenspan had long favored Saddam Hussein's ouster because the Iraqi dictator was a threat to the Strait of Hormuz, through which much of the world's oil passes every day. Hussein could have sent the price of oil way past $100 a barrel, which would have inflicted chaos on the global economy.

In other words, Greenspan favored the war on the grounds that it would stabilize the flow of oil, even though that wasn't the war's political underpinning. "I was not saying that that's the administration's motive," Greenspan told Woodward, "I'm just saying that if somebody asked me, 'Are we fortunate in taking out Saddam?' I would say it was essential."

So let's get back to Lantos, the California congressman who agreed with the misconstrued Greenspan that it was "obvious" we went to war for oil. What's funny -- though not really ha-ha funny -- is that Lantos voted for the war. If it was so obviously a war for oil, why did he vote for it? Unless, of course, he thinks it's hunky-dory to go to war because of oil -- though that didn't sound like what he was trying to say.

As several other politicians and officials noted over the weekend, no White House briefer ever told Congress that this was a war for oil. The debates in Congress didn't say this was a war for oil. Bush never gave a single speech saying this was a war for oil. (If oil was all Bush wanted, he hardly needed to go to war to get it.) So why is it so "obvious" to Lantos that it was a war for oil?

Perhaps the answer is that when it comes to bashing Bush about the war, no accusation is inaccurate -- even if it contradicts all the accusations that came before. Some say it's all about the Israel lobby. Others claim that Bush was trying to avenge his dad. Still others say Bush went to war because God told him to.

Which is it? All of those? Any? It doesn't seem to matter. It's disturbing how many people are willing to look for motives beyond the ones debated and voted on by our elected leaders.

The last time Greenspan made a gaffe of sorts, his comment about Wall Street's "irrational exuberance" sent worldwide markets into a tizzy. This gaffe is more ironic because it was so plain-spoken, but it also managed to call attention to a case of irrational exuberance -- among Bush-bashing war opponents.



http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...8,0,6583630.column?coll=la-opinion-columnists
 
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It's disturbing how many people are willing to look for motives beyond the ones debated and voted on by our elected leaders.

So you're saying it was all about WMD after all? Geez, how many nukes did they find?
 
So you're saying it was all about WMD after all? Geez, how many nukes did they find?

LOL did you do a search? Where and this forum did I say exactly what you just quoted me as saying :o
 
Come now, leaders are always impeccably honest and they're never wrong. How could anyone question them? Especially such fine and upstanding individuals as George Bush and Tony Blair.
 
LOL did you do a search? Where and this forum did I say exactly what you just quoted me as saying

Look at my quote. It reads:
Originally Posted by alanf85
followed by an extract from your quote.

Are you saying that I said that you said those words that you quoted that I quoted or are you saying that you do not agree with those words that you quoted because if you're saying that I'm saying that you said that words then you would be wrong because I never said that you said those words in the first place and I was merely quoting an extrtact from what you were quoting and that's why my quote never said that Alan said those words but merely that Alan posted them and if you are saying that you do not agree with those words that you quoted then why are you posting them in the first place?

LMAO at the above paragraph!
 
Look at my quote. It reads:
followed by an extract from your quote.

Are you saying that I said that you said those words that you quoted that I quoted or are you saying that you do not agree with those words that you quoted because if you're saying that I'm saying that you said that words then you would be wrong because I never said that you said those words in the first place and I was merely quoting an extrtact from what you were quoting and that's why my quote never said that Alan said those words but merely that Alan posted them and if you are saying that you do not agree with those words that you quoted then why are you posting them in the first place?

LMAO at the above paragraph!

Eh around and around you go :D

I see you even attributed a sentance to Greenspan he never said in your heading for this thread. :o
 
I see you even attributed a sentance to Greenspan he never said in your heading for this thread. :o

Oh right. Perhaps you could explain the fine semantic differences between
Iraqi invasion was all about the oil - Greenspan (which was not a direct quote btw) and "...the Iraq war is largely about oil."?
 
Ooh, the cut and thrust of political debate.

Explain it to me.

Well I'm still waiting for you to explain to me what you would have done about Saddam but since you can't tell the difference between the word "all" and "largely" perhaps I'm asking to much of you.
 
since you can't tell the difference between the word "all" and "largely" perhaps I'm asking to much of you.

Is that all? I think that the thread heading is 'largely' accurate in that case. :D

What would I have done about Saddam? Well, I wouldn't have given him weapons, including chemical weapons, in the first place.
 
Ah the classic cop out :cool:

The question was not "what would you have done in the first place" but what would you have done after Saddam had been kicked out Kuwait or in 2003.

I think I'll start a thread that will clearly lay it all out for you lot ;)

Who's my lot?

So you question is actually, "After years of meddling in the region what would you do once things started to get out of hand?"
 
This statement was made by Alan Greenspan in his recently published memoirs:

Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2461214.ece

For the vast majority of us that's not really news (besides from the Bush-lovers amongst us like Alan and Marine of course) but it is still nice to finally get an admission out of Washington after years of propaganda about WMDs and fighting terrorism.

Here's an interesting article that explores the implications of this statement for Iran:

http://counterpunch.org/jacobs09242007.html
...and I quote:


Ia a related incident, the US are pressurising the Iraqi goverment to pass a law that would give their companies a 30 year exclusive and irrevocable monopoly on Iraqi oil:



Source: http://www.godubai.com/gulftoday/article.asp?AID=27&Section=Editorial

Such nice people, these NeoCons. :sick:

Thank you for posting this Strong Turd. I haven't seen it reported elsewhere in the South African media, and I have already forwarded the link to my (quite substantial) mailing list.

Don't worry about people like AlanF. They are irrelevant. Anyone who still tries to drum up support for one of the most discredited regimes of modern history can simply not be taken seriously.....
 
Thank you for posting this Strong Turd. I haven't seen it reported elsewhere in the South African media, and I have already forwarded the link to my (quite substantial) mailing list.

Don't worry about people like AlanF. They are irrelevant. Anyone who still tries to drum up support for one of the most discredited regimes of modern history can simply not be taken seriously.....

http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1783_2185353

http://www.news24.com/News24/AnanziArticle/0,,1518-1783_2185353,00.html

http://www.citizen.co.za/index/Article.aspx?pDesc=1,1,22&Type=top&File=070916222240.h59rj2oc.xml

LOL all you can do is complain on a forum while Dubya dictates world events. That makes you rather irrelevant does it not :o
 
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