Do people hack DSTV decoders?

[cellular]

I dont know if u guys have even gone into a flea market or a shady corner store and found that the store owner is watching or has DSTV playing on a TV in his store. Do u find it strange that he would play hundreds of rands to get a paid channel on a tv that he is only going to use from 8 til 5 each day?
I have heard rumours that DSTV units can be hacked, and why not anyways, i mean they have hacked and chipped ps2, xboxes, ps3 by now, why not the decoders?
Can decoders really be hacked?

[bwana]

maybe he just takes his smartcard from home when he goes to work?

[Pitbull]

I dont know if u guys have even gone into a flea market or a shady corner store and found that the store owner is watching or has DSTV playing on a TV in his store. Do u find it strange that he would play hundreds of rands to get a paid channel on a tv that he is only going to use from 8 til 5 each day?
I have heard rumours that DSTV units can be hacked, and why not anyways, i mean they have hacked and chipped ps2, xboxes, ps3 by now, why not the decoders?
Can decoders really be hacked?

Not the decoder, but you can buy Free to watch Smart cards. They don't last very long though

[Pitbull]

maybe he just takes his smartcard from home when he goes to work?

Aren't they Married as from September ?

[bwana]

Aren't they Married as from September ?AFAIK you just need to send a sms (if the adverts are anything to go by).

[Pitbull]

AFAIK you just need to send a sms (if the adverts are anything to go by).

ooo ok

Then I would assume it's still possible.

[mercurial]

i think "cellular" ↑ wants to hack dstv decoders.

[native]

ooo ok

Then I would assume it's still possible.

Pitbull - according to DSTV.com (http://www.dstv.com/main.aspx?id=11132) it's possible

[cellular]

hmmm,im not technical enough to do that. im just curious about it. Whats this thing about sms?

[cellular]

People, u are talking in exclusive code. whats possible?

[Pitbull]

People, u are talking in exclusive code. whats possible?

To use your current fully paid Smart card to use in another decoder

[jetpacman]

A former colleague of mine showed me a fake smart card about 2 years ago. It was credit card sized PCB (printed circuit boad) with pads in the same locations as the contacts on a smart card. On the PCB there was also a surface mount microcontroller. According to him you could watch DSTV to your hearts content. He paid a lot of money for it but he got his full money's worth and more. I did some searching on the net after I saw that but I never found anything again.

There were also those "chipped" Mnet decoders that a lot of people had.

[mercurial]

A former colleague of mine showed me a fake smart card about 2 years ago. It was credit card sized PCB (printed circuit boad) with pads in the same locations as the contacts on a smart card. On the PCB there was also a surface mount microcontroller. According to him you could watch DSTV to your hearts content. He paid a lot of money for it but he got his full money's worth and more. I did some searching on the net after I saw that but I never found anything again.

There were also those "chipped" Mnet decoders that a lot of people had.

yes but the danger of DSTV fake cards are a real danger. i spoke to someone about this a while back and he told me that they can find you real quick. he said they could ping the remote device and find you!

[Skeptik]

yes but the danger of DSTV fake cards are a real danger. i spoke to someone about this a while back and he told me that they can find you real quick. he said they could ping the remote device and find you!

[*Looks out the window to see if it's a full moon*] Awooooooo!!:D

[Syndyre]

yes but the danger of DSTV fake cards are a real danger. i spoke to someone about this a while back and he told me that they can find you real quick. he said they could ping the remote device and find you!

How could they find you if there's no way for a decoder to send out signals?

[Natas]

A friend of mine said he had the decoder software on his PC.. apparently, so he claimed, if you had a TV card, and plugged in an aerial, then you could watch for free... MNet only I think tho..thats what he mentioned. or maybe it would work with Dstc as well, but then you still need the satelite dish

[mercurial]

How could they find you if there's no way for a decoder to send out signals?

do you have the specs for the decoder that proves it can't send out signals?


A friend of mine said he had the decoder software on his PC.. apparently, so he claimed, if you had a TV card, and plugged in an aerial, then you could watch for free... MNet only I think tho..thats what he mentioned. or maybe it would work with Dstc as well, but then you still need the satelite dish

the mnet software was available a while back, but it could work in other countries as well for their specific channels. all it did was decrypt the incoming signal. this won't work with dstv for many reasons. i don't feel like going thru it again :)

[Syndyre]

do you have the specs for the decoder that proves it can't send out signals?

AFAIK the dish itself isn't capable of sending out signals so there'd be no way for the decoder to do it.

[Random717]

I've heard the cards cost around 2 grand and aren't too hard to get hold of...

[rvanwyk]

do you have the specs for the decoder that proves it can't send out signals?



the mnet software was available a while back, but it could work in other countries as well for their specific channels. all it did was decrypt the incoming signal. this won't work with dstv for many reasons. i don't feel like going thru it again :)

lol!! you'll nead a much bigger dish and more powerfull lnb to transmit. dstv communication is one-way only!

[mercurial]

AFAIK the dish itself isn't capable of sending out signals so there'd be no way for the decoder to do it.

i'm trying to figure out my logic here but i'm confusing myself. i don't have any links to prove you wrong, but if i do, i'll post it here.


I've heard the cards cost around 2 grand and aren't too hard to get hold of...

i wouldn't risk it. way too dangerous.

[mercurial]

lol!! you'll nead a much bigger dish and more powerfull lnb to transmit. dstv communication is one-way only!

you say "transmit" and then you say "one-way only". that's 2-way.

[rvanwyk]

I've heard the cards cost around 2 grand and aren't too hard to get hold of...

the irdeto encryption algorithm changes. thats why you need to marry you sc to the decoder for these calculations to work.

imo its still possible to hack a decoder but it wont be easy. it might work for only small intervals before mca changes algorithms.

[Syndyre]

lol!! you'll nead a much bigger dish and more powerfull lnb to transmit. dstv communication is one-way only!


you say "transmit" and then you say "one-way only". that's 2-way.

The satellite transmits to the DSTV receiver, that's one way only. Youur DSTV decoder can't transmit anything back, that's why for their interactive services e.g. email you needed a modem.

[rvanwyk]

you say "transmit" and then you say "one-way only". that's 2-way.

read the post again. you will need a larger dish and more powerfull lnb to transmit in general.

dstv is one way communications only. ie. you receive data and dont send anything back.

* EDIT: two different sentences.

[mercurial]

read the post again. you will need a larger dish and more powerfull lnb to transmit in general.

dstv is one way communications only. ie. you receive data and dont send anything back.

* EDIT: two different sentences.

i'm talking about the part where you say transmit. i'm not talking about the tv card, i know all about that.

[ajax]

A colleague had one of those hacked smart cards in 2001. He paid about R2000 for it. It worked for about a year. The "hacker" then wanted another R2000 for a "new" smart card which would, in all likelihood, last for about a year again. Maybe that's how often MChoice changed algorithms. My colleague then went the legal route. Too much effort to save R2000 odd compared to the risk and not being able to ask for any service or programme guides etc.

I remember while at Varsity in the late 90's a student walking around with microchips to hack the old MNET decoders. The hack worked very easily on the old decoders. Apparently there was only 1 chip that needed to be replaced.

[kapovski]

A friend has a few dishes and several decoders for pay channels from the USA and Far east. The dishes point in different directions (obviously) but he is able to use the MChoice decoder with some (not all) of the other smart cards and the decoder picks up the other providers channels. I'm no techie but this tells me it's possible that the decoders are 'universal' and not MChoice specific.

[mercurial]

ok nevermind, i spoke to someone else now who says that guy was talking ****e to me lol. so i know someone that had this thing for long time now and he says he never got caught. so ya, then i agree with you. but i wouldn't take the chance anyway. i know of people who got caught with the fake mnet chips a long time ago, so if that's possible, who's to say DSTV can't track them down either?

[rvanwyk]

i'm talking about the part where you say transmit. i'm not talking about the tv card, i know all about that.

if you need to transmit a signal to, let's say PAS7 (or IS7 as its called now) you will need a bigger dish, a more powerfull lnb capable of transmitting and the hardware (like a decoder/encoder, if you want to call it that) to transmit to space.

[Syndyre]

A friend has a few dishes and several decoders for pay channels from the USA and Far east. The dishes point in different directions (obviously) but he is able to use the MChoice decoder with some (not all) of the other smart cards and the decoder picks up the other providers channels. I'm no techie but this tells me it's possible that the decoders are 'universal' and not MChoice specific.

AFAIK, MChoice uses Irdeto 2 so the decoder should be compatible with any other provider that uses that.

[Aqua_lung]

yes but the danger of DSTV fake cards are a real danger. i spoke to someone about this a while back and he told me that they can find you real quick. he said they could ping the remote device and find you!

LOL you should stop speaking to random people, SABC also advertised that they can find you if you don't pay your license, it's just to scare the masses I doubt it's possible :D

[rvanwyk]

A friend has a few dishes and several decoders for pay channels from the USA and Far east. The dishes point in different directions (obviously) but he is able to use the MChoice decoder with some (not all) of the other smart cards and the decoder picks up the other providers channels. I'm no techie but this tells me it's possible that the decoders are 'universal' and not MChoice specific.

some decoders will be yes, but the dsd930, dsd933, dsd990, dsd1110, dual view and pvr decoders are all proudly south africa.

designed by altech-uec. even the encryption technology, IRDETO, base in the netherlands is owned by naspers. :)

some standards might be the same around the world but also the IRDETO encryption is used in quite a few other countries. the older PACE decoders will be more universal then the recent mca designs, imo.

[mercurial]

LOL you should stop speaking to random people, SABC also advertised that they can find you if you don't pay your license, it's just to scare the masses I doubt it's possible :D

and you're willing to take that chance?

PS: it's not a random guy. it's a "techie" and so i took his word for it.

[Aqua_lung]

and you're willing to take that chance?

PS: it's not a random guy. it's a "techie" and so i took his word for it.

If you don't know the guy then he's random.

I had a TV tuner card in my PC for years that I didn't pay a TV license for but I could watch SABC on it, but why would I want to watch SABC? what a waste that would have been :sick:

[mercurial]

If you don't know the guy then he's random.

I had a TV tuner card in my PC for years that I didn't pay a TV license for but I could watch SABC on it, but why would I want to watch SABC? what a waste that would have been :sick:

the guy is a colleague.

[ToxicBunny]

There is technically no way they can find you if you're using a "fake" card. The technology doesn't have call back facilities, or communication with the satellite.

If your decoder is plugged into a modem, then maybe, but other than that... nope.

[Azania]

I heared in Botswana there are chinese docoders that offer free DSTV channels on the black market. Any one who has information about this decoders?

[mercurial]

i find it strange that they don't have any sort of feature/system that allows them to see illegal users accessing their system.

[ToxicBunny]

Its just a failing of the technology mostly.... there is no return communication to their central system.

[Aqua_lung]

the guy is a colleague.

OK then, but I'm 100% sure they cant find people who use decoders illegally... yet

[mercurial]

OK then, but I'm 100% sure they cant find people who use decoders illegally... yet

okie dokes. i'll be too scared to test it anyway. i'll stick to being legit. nothing worse than having a 100 police vans outside your house :eek: :sick:

[rvanwyk]

OK then, but I'm 100% sure they cant find people who use decoders illegally... yet

yep. that's the bottom line.

[rvanwyk]

okie dokes. i'll be too scared to test it anyway. i'll stick to being legit. nothing worse than having a 100 police vans outside your house :eek: :sick:

reminds me of the movie "hackers" :p

[mercurial]

reminds me of the movie "hackers" :p

man i haven't watched that in...in...erm...10 years maybe :p

[rvanwyk]

man i haven't watched that in...in...erm...10 years maybe :p

hah, i "imported" the dvd. ordered it from musica online and the sourced it from paarl and sent it to jhb. heh

[mercurial]

hah, i "imported" the dvd. ordered it from musica online and the sourced it from paarl and sent it to jhb. heh

LOL. any other good hacker movie you'd recommend? i want to watch a full blown hacker movie. not firewall or antitrust or swordfish. i want something really awsome.

[bwana]

i find it strange that they don't have any sort of feature/system that allows them to see illegal users accessing their system.Is there any upstream from the decoder? If not how could they?

[rvanwyk]

LOL. any other good hacker movie you'd recommend? i want to watch a full blown hacker movie. not firewall or antitrust or swordfish. i want something really awsome.

nah. not really i think. there was a hackers2 afaik

[mercurial]

nah. not really i think. there was a hackers2 afaik

:(

anyways, i'm out. cheers.

[bwana]

hah, i "imported" the dvd. ordered it from musica online and the sourced it from paarl and sent it to jhb. hehYeah - I got my copy from there too. :)

[rvanwyk]

LOL. any other good hacker movie you'd recommend? i want to watch a full blown hacker movie. not firewall or antitrust or swordfish. i want something really awsome.

there was "the net" but cant remember if it was any good

[Syndyre]

Is there any upstream from the decoder? If not how could they?

I don't think so, not possible with the technology and obviously not worth the extra expense.

[rvanwyk]

Yeah - I got my copy from there too. :)

heh :)

[Aqua_lung]

i find it strange that they don't have any sort of feature/system that allows them to see illegal users accessing their system.

It's probably too expensive, because this would mean they'll need servers to monitor every user, and this will need an uplink which needs to be paid for as well, so it's just not economically viable if I were to take a stab in the dark.

[Velenoso]

As far as I know, there is no way they can identify you. I figure this because my girlfriend's father uses a South African smartcard in Zambia (which isn't allowed) and it works 100%. Multichoice is not aware of this and we just do the payment from Johannesburg... They are none the wiser.

[rvanwyk]

As far as I know, there is no way they can identify you. I figure this because my girlfriend's father uses a South African smartcard in Zambia (which isn't allowed) and it works 100%. Multichoice is not aware of this and we just do the payment from Johannesburg... They are none the wiser.

many ppl do it in namibia as well. it allows you to watch all the channels that's available in ZA. some channels are blocked in our neighbouring countries.

[jetpacman]

yes but the danger of DSTV fake cards are a real danger. i spoke to someone about this a while back and he told me that they can find you real quick. he said they could ping the remote device and find you!

Unless they have some kind of hidden transmitter in it how do they do that.

AFAIK the DSTV decoders don't transmit so that sounds like mumbo jumbo to scare people away from the fake cards.

[cellular]

hmmm, dont u also need a decoder for mnet? is it possible to watch mnet on your pc with some kind of software?

[HavocXphere]

Is there any upstream from the decoder? If not how could they?
I'm fairly sure that there is info going upstream. A mate of mine tried to guess the parental guidance password a few years back. After a bunch of tries, DSTV called.

The marriage thing also requires upstream AFAIK. I'm guessing they also use it to monitor the number of viewers per channel.

I would stay far away from an DSTV hacks.

btw the "correct" way to hack satellite TV is with a computer & satellite card not with a decoder.

[thedoc!]

I'm fairly sure that there is info going upstream. A mate of mine tried to guess the parental guidance password a few years back. After a bunch of tries, DSTV called.

The marriage thing also requires upstream AFAIK. I'm guessing they also use it to monitor the number of viewers per channel.

I would stay far away from an DSTV hacks.

btw the "correct" way to hack satellite TV is with a computer & satellite card not with a decoder.

Guys, there is NO WAY your decoder transmits or upstreams anything, nothing, nada,none!

For starters, LNB's only receive, they are designed to receive, BUC's or transceivers transmit, or uplink.

There isn't a "hidden" transmitter in the DSTV decoder - however it just goes to show that a little bull***** scares people and keeps them away from the illegalities.

And as far as irdeto access goes, its very hackable - not as simple after the marriage because they know how many people or rather how many cards one decoder is shared with when you send them an SMS for a new marriage.

The easiest hack: Mod's snip here if its not correct to say this in this forum, is to clone the card. You can buy the cards either from multichoice themselves or buy them bulk in Asia!

[HavocXphere]

Guys, there is NO WAY your decoder transmits or upstreams anything, nothing, nada,none!
I stand corrected:o. Maybe my friend was pulling my leg - I'll ask him next time.

[lcbxx]

LOL at all the heresay and speculation in this thread. WAAAY to many "I know a guy" and "a friend told me" and "I heard that.." etc.

Like thedoc! posted, the simplest way is to clone a valid smartcard. Since the V2.3 smartcards it has been excruciatingly difficult to manage. The whole "smartcard marriage" thing is just another way to combat smartcard cloning. Multichoice will also not "marry" a smartcard to more than 2 unique decoders.

[Ricard]

LOL at all the heresay and speculation in this thread. WAAAY to many "I know a guy" and "a friend told me" and "I heard that.." etc.

Like thedoc! posted, the simplest way is to clone a valid smartcard. Since the V2.3 smartcards it has been excruciatingly difficult to manage. The whole "smartcard marriage" thing is just another way to combat smartcard cloning. Multichoice will also not "marry" a smartcard to more than 2 unique decoders.

NoChoice cannot marry a card to a after-market decoder either... they only have total control on the UEC ones.

[thedoc!]

LOL at all the heresay and speculation in this thread. WAAAY to many "I know a guy" and "a friend told me" and "I heard that.." etc.

Like thedoc! posted, the simplest way is to clone a valid smartcard. Since the V2.3 smartcards it has been excruciatingly difficult to manage. The whole "smartcard marriage" thing is just another way to combat smartcard cloning. Multichoice will also not "marry" a smartcard to more than 2 unique decoders.

I couldn't have said it better myself! you're 100% there..

[thedoc!]

NoChoice cannot marry a card to a after-market decoder either... they only have total control on the UEC ones.

Yes - thats right, proprietary software on the UEC..

[Skeptik]

i know of people who got caught with the fake mnet chips a long time ago, so if that's possible, who's to say DSTV can't track them down either?
The Mnet pirates were caught because all the people in a small geographic area suddenly stopped subscribing. It was then a simple matter of making enquiries.

IRDETO, base in the netherlands is owned by naspers. :)
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Is that right? Source please ...

I'm fairly sure that there is info going upstream. A mate of mine tried to guess the parental guidance password a few years back. After a bunch of tries, DSTV called.

The marriage thing also requires upstream AFAIK. I'm guessing they also use it to monitor the number of viewers per channel.

Coincidence.

The marriage process is a simple matter of a request via SMS. DSTV then sends a signal containing your specific account number and whatever DSTV decoder your card is in gets 'married'. I haven't heard of any limits to the number of marriages. Why would it make any difference anyway?

The viewers per channel stats are gathered using a sample of subscribers with special decoder equipment set up in their homes and connected to the phone line. Every time they change channels, this is stored and sent to Multichoice during the early hours of the morning.

[Syndyre]

The Mnet pirates were caught because all the people in a small geographic area suddenly stopped subscribing. It was then a simple matter of making enquiries.

Lol that's just stupid.



Is that right? Source please ...


See here. (http://www.irdeto.com/page.php?page_id=2)

[Skeptik]

Lol that's just stupid.



See here. (http://www.irdeto.com/page.php?page_id=2)


Irdeto is a wholly-owned subsidiary of successful, multinational media group Naspers (JSE: NPN). The Naspers family (FY2005-06 revenue approximately US$2.5B) includes a profitable group of pay TV sister companies in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a primary supplier to these companies since the beginnings of digital TV more than a decade ago, Irdeto has always played a vital role within the group. Nevertheless, more than 75% of Irdeto's revenue comes from companies outside the group following Irdeto's successful transition to a global, market-driven company in the 1990's. In recent years, Naspers has made a significant additional investment in Irdeto in order to enable the expansion of the company into the IPTV and mobile markets, showing the shareholder's long-term commitment to the company.
Thanks. That's news to me.

[mercurial]

The Mnet pirates were caught because all the people in a small geographic area suddenly stopped subscribing. It was then a simple matter of making enquiries.



lol that is rather silly. that's not the reason. at the risk of sounding like something that one of the other posters said, i know another guy at my work lol, he told me he was using specific software to get mnet for free on his pc tv card. he then giggled and told me the police arrived at his house and searched thru the place. he didn't want to say anything more after revealing this. over the years i've also heard of some people getting caught using programmed mnet chips. one of the guys who made these chips stopped making them for fear of getting caught.

[gregmcc]

On the original DSTV decoders the cards could be cloned by building a PIC based card which connected to your PC. The PC would do the number crunching and whenever the algorithm changed it worked out the new key and send it to the card.

This was based on the original irdeto which has cracked a good few years ago. The new decoders use irdeto2 which hasn't been cracked yet (there's rumours the underground guys have cracked it but its not publically available)

The only way to get 'free' dstv is to use a cloned card but as someone previously said this doesn't work for long as they continiously changed the algorithm.

DSTV is a one way system - they don't poll your system, they can't send data to it - the decoder pulls the signal so there's no way for them to track/trace illegal decoders. Its like a radio receiver - you can't way how many radios are tuned into a station. Any thing else you read to hype used to scare people.

[ObeyTheDiode]

This reminds me of the campaign the SABC had a few years ago where they drove around in a van detecting the TV sets that received their signal without a license :rolleyes: Maybe Multichoice has the same tech.

[gregmcc]

More like they drove around looking for TV aerials :)

[ajax]

More like they drove around looking for TV aerials :)

They may have actually been looking for signal a tv generates to receive the signal. "All" receivers must generate a small signal, called a local oscillator signal, to be able to receive a signal. The SABC may have been driving around to detect that. But I also heard a rumor they were "listening" for frame synchronisation signals on old analog tv's. Dunno if the LCD's/plasma's do the same.

But yes, you can catch a lot of people in remote areas who can't receive tv without erecting antennas on their roofs.

[atmosphere]

I'm fairly sure that there is info going upstream. A mate of mine tried to guess the parental guidance password a few years back. After a bunch of tries, DSTV called.

The marriage thing also requires upstream AFAIK. I'm guessing they also use it to monitor the number of viewers per channel.

I would stay far away from an DSTV hacks.

btw the "correct" way to hack satellite TV is with a computer & satellite card not with a decoder.

About 5 years ago when my brother and i still lived with our folks - him and me tried to guess the Parental control password. We did 100 each night for 10 nights in a row (stupid code was 9635)

Needless to say - nobody called

[Gnome]

Even if the decoder had transmission equipment, it has no antenna and the decoder is encased in metal acting as a crude Faraday cage, they'd also need base stations all over the place (like a cell phone), else the decoder would have needed a powerful transmitter.

LNB's can't transmit as has been mentioned, the dish isn't the right type for transmission anyway...

[rhinosaurusrex]

hi there eveyone!!

the actual dstv decoder i think is pretty safe, but the cards are not...
the older version (ie ver 2 & 4) can be shared with linux decoders quite easily, since the new ver zeta cards are out its another story.... we in SA got the ver zeta dstv cards over a year ago.. in the East of the world dstv used the ver 2 & 4 cards. it began a sharing mayhem!! now dstv's not renewing any c-band subs unlees u getting a new version zeta card, clever bastards!!!
Irdeto2 is hacked, just not very public. Gammacards loaded with right files can open dstv on c-band!!!! there are some guys in SA with these cards...in the very near future there will be emulators too...

many satellite providers worldwide went the irdeto encryption way, due to this there are just more people interested in cracking it!!

:p

[Ricard]

Why hack DSTV? ... Its like hacking open a tin of expired bully-beef. (You know is crap inside, but you wanna just take a look)

btw rhinosairusrex... Zeta cards are compromised.

[Skeptik]

The newest decoders are married to the card and only that card. You can't use any other official decoder with it.

[rhinosaurusrex]

Why hack DSTV? ... Its like hacking open a tin of expired bully-beef. (You know is crap inside, but you wanna just take a look)

btw rhinosairusrex... Zeta cards are compromised.

WHY HACK DSTV- answer = why pay for it, when its a frot can of bullybeef!!!

unfortunatly its the ONLY pay service available to SA!! what else is there at the moment???
NADA!!!

[Ricard]

WHY HACK DSTV- answer = why pay for it, when its a frot can of bullybeef!!!

unfortunatly its the ONLY pay service available to SA!! what else is there at the moment???
NADA!!!

Black Earth Satellite is running.. (PAS 7/10)
Canal Parabole (Eutelsat W2 Satellite)
Canal+ (Eutelsat W2 Satellite)

You cant get smartcards IN South Africa (due to ICASA and their toy-throwing).. but they can be orgranised by other means.

[Ricard]

The newest decoders are married to the card and only that card. You can't use any other official decoder with it.

The Decoder LOCKS to the card... the card DOESNT lock to the decoder.

[rhinosaurusrex]

Black Earth Satellite is running.. (PAS 7/10)
Canal Parabole (Eutelsat W2 Satellite)
Canal+ (Eutelsat W2 Satellite)

You cant get smartcards IN South Africa (due to ICASA and their toy-throwing).. but they can be orgranised by other means.

duh....... u missed quite a couple of other services if u referring to that, like gtv,mytv,NDTV(c-band)tensports(c-band)neosports and the list goes on....it does not matterwhat else u can receive, its about what subs can u buy here in SA??? NADA!! ja, due to icasa we all know....

untill the so called competition starts here in SA, we basically left with ONLY dstv.....

Black earth satellite??? hmmm, tell more....

[Skeptik]

The Decoder LOCKS to the card... the card DOESNT lock to the decoder.
According to Multichoice, you cannot use their latest decoder "as a second decoder in a holiday home". "You have to take the decoder with you as well".

That implies that the two are locked together. Apart from use in a 3rd party decoder of course.

[antowan]

yes but the danger of DSTV fake cards are a real danger. i spoke to someone about this a while back and he told me that they can find you real quick. he said they could ping the remote device and find you!

How? DSTV is a one way service???

[gregmcc]

i spoke to someone about this a while back and he told me that they can find you real quick. he said they could ping the remote device and find you!

Sounds more like a scare tactic. The decoder only receives signals - it doesnt transmit them.

Even if they could 'see' your decoder how would that help them track you down?

[DJ...]

Even if they could 'see' your decoder how would that help them track you down?

Smart card number > account number > home address ?

I imagine if they could "see" your decoder it would only make sense for them to be able to "see" the smart card number...

[Syndyre]

Smart card number > account number > home address ?

I imagine if they could "see" your decoder it would only make sense for them to be able to "see" the smart card number...

If it was a fake smart card the number would be meaningless though.

[wcoetzee]

maybe he just takes his smartcard from home when he goes to work?

elementary my dear Watson :D

[SlyFly]

Can you still buy Mnet Decoders? Thus analog signal or is everything digital now? And if you can you should be able to still decrypt Mnet signal?

Anyone still have that decrypting software around? Would be interesting to play around with it.. :)

[mercurial]

How? DSTV is a one way service???

This issue was resolved months ago in the previous pages. Read them for clarity.

[Moederloos]

I dont know if u guys have even gone into a flea market or a shady corner store and found that the store owner is watching or has DSTV playing on a TV in his store. Do u find it strange that he would play hundreds of rands to get a paid channel on a tv that he is only going to use from 8 til 5 each day?
I have heard rumours that DSTV units can be hacked, and why not anyways, i mean they have hacked and chipped ps2, xboxes, ps3 by now, why not the decoders?
Can decoders really be hacked?

8 till 5 is 9 hours. How many hours does the average person watch at night at home? 2 or 3 maybe.

It is actually BETTER to have it at work for the 9 hours, especially if your job involves being bored most of the day.

[Turiko]

Anyone still have that decrypting software around? Would be interesting to play around with it..

People don't want to go to jail, so therefore it is not "lying around"

[lilGr]

I dont know if u guys have even gone into a flea market or a shady corner store and found that the store owner is watching or has DSTV playing on a TV in his store. Do u find it strange that he would play hundreds of rands to get a paid channel on a tv that he is only going to use from 8 til 5 each day?
I have heard rumours that DSTV units can be hacked, and why not anyways, i mean they have hacked and chipped ps2, xboxes, ps3 by now, why not the decoders?
Can decoders really be hacked?

Cant chip ps3 Yet.

[ObeyTheDiode]

Anyone still have that decrypting software around? Would be interesting to play around with it.. :)

Yip - I've had this program called CCRYPT (~2.6MB) for some time but never had the opportunity to test it 'cause I don't have a TV tuner in my PC.

I did some research on it though (if it worked I would invest in a TV tuner..). It was actually developed for some or other Dutch pay-tv channel. There were several people testing it locally (I think on techie.co.za forums). The problem was that mnet also encrypts its audio - unlike the Dutch channel - so you supposedly can get the mnet video decrypted but you don't have any sound.

[ld13]

Anyone still have that decrypting software around? Would be interesting to play around with it.. :)

I have/had it but...


The problem was that mnet also encrypts its audio - unlike the Dutch channel - so you supposedly can get the mnet video decrypted but you don't have any sound.

Yea, I was told that you could see everything but that the sound would be missing...also had no way of testing it as I did not have a TV card. :(

[Turiko]

I was told that you could see everything but that the sound would be missing

An appropriately placed wire link will effect same in the older M-NET decoders. The sound is encrypted. And that's all I am going to say!

[daboss]

i also heard about wire link. but it can only be done in some of the older dstv decoders, but no one can tel me how to do it!?!?!?!?!?

[Morgoth]

seen this myself, and yes it can be done it works like this and multi choose themselves are the real sharks in here

about 90% of your DSTV channel is unscrambled according to law you may pick them up freely from any satalite on your house, like the dutch news for example, some other channels like mnet are scrambled channels they may not be picked up without permission ( dstv card) now the decoder itself isn't being hacked by the sender in front of your satellite is, there are 4 satellites sending the unscrambled signals multichoise send them all to the EU satellite afaik and from there on to your decoder, now if you have 4 DSTV satellites with 4 different senders on your house then you can basically have free DSTV.

[genetic]

A friend of mine has free DSTV. Apparently, the guy that installed it for him flashed some software onto the decoder and gave him a new smart card.

The only problem he says, however, is that every few months, new software has to be installed and a new smart card inserted.

[daboss]

A friend of mine has free DSTV. Apparently, the guy that installed it for him flashed some software onto the decoder and gave him a new smart card.

The only problem he says, however, is that every few months, new software has to be installed and a new smart card inserted.

is there anyone with more info on this????????????/

[ld13]

is there anyone with more info on this????????????/

Not if you keep on typing like some crazy idiot and adding 238946289346 ?'s after every question... :rolleyes:

[1q2w3e]

ooooooooooooooh!
the spelling and grammer police arrived!!!!!!!!
Yipeeeeeeeee.

[Turiko]

A friend of mine has free DSTV. Apparently, the guy that installed it for him flashed some software onto the decoder and gave him a new smart card.

The only problem he says, however, is that every few months, new software has to be installed and a new smart card inserted.

Well duh, Multichoice constantly change the encryption keys every few months. :rolleyes: Does it now make sense why the hackers publish lists of encryption keys on eMule every so often?

[ajax]

Well duh, Multichoice constantly change the encryption keys every few months. :rolleyes: Does it now make sense why the hackers publish lists of encryption keys on eMule every so often?

An old colleague of mine had a "hacked" installation and yes, every few months it would stop working and he had to buy a new smart card from the hacker. Eventually he decided to just pay the damn subscription - too much hassle getting a new smart card and missing programs. Besides, he wanted the free magazine too.

[Vegeta]

An old colleague of mine had a "hacked" installation and yes, every few months it would stop working and he had to buy a new smart card from the hacker. Eventually he decided to just pay the damn subscription - too much hassle getting a new smart card and missing programs. Besides, he wanted the free magazine too.

R5640 per year for a "free" magazine:confused: Thats anything but free. Anyhow pm me ur hacker friend's number ;)

[Turiko]

An old colleague of mine had a "hacked" installation and yes, every few months it would stop working and he had to buy a new smart card from the hacker. Eventually he decided to just pay the damn subscription - too much hassle getting a new smart card and missing programs. Besides, he wanted the free magazine too.

Yes, new smart card with the new IRDETO key. Seen tons of card reader/writer apps on eMule for this purpose...

Too much hassle for the average user, and besides, it is better to pay the insane fee, and stay out of jail as a bonus

[gregmcc]

It can be done - but its not worth the hassle. Keys change too often. There's also much much worth watching on dstv. If it was sky on the other hand....

[Pooky]

So can I have a PM with some instructionables?

[Turiko]

It can be done - but its not worth the hassle. Keys change too often. There's also much much worth watching on dstv. If it was sky on the other hand....
Indeed, defnitely not worth the hassle, and the inconvenience of finding new keys that work.... and the hassle of having interrupted service whilst one writes changes to the smart card.

[gregmcc]

So can I have a PM with some instructionables?

www.google.com :D

[mercurial]

So can I have a PM with some instructionables?

Do you again want to make the headlines for all the wrong reasons? :rolleyes: :p

[Turiko]

So can I have a PM with some instructionables?

Short answer- NO!

[Vegeta]

How hard can it be? Get a smartcard writer/reader, Get the software make a copy of a legal smartcard onto your "backup"
(Dont know how ur gonna get past the decoder marrage thing)

Or Get the smartcard writer, get the software, download the keys from emule and write to card.
(Just taking a swing never done anything like this)

[Turiko]

It is easy... no-one said it was difficult. It is just inconvenient and then one has to hope and pray that the key works. It's like getting a whole long list of XP keys and you have to enter each one until you find one that works.

However, since I have never done this, nor do I wish to do so, I have no idea how the smartcard marriage aspect works to comment about that security measure. I have heard stories of card cloning by using a microcontroller which emulates a smartcard. I've seen the source code for same, also available on eMule.

[genetic]

PM me if you are in CPT ;)

[hinckleya]

Can someone please tell me if DSTV can be hacked with a FTA Viewsat (www.totalfta.com) receiver. It's currently used to hack Dishnetwork in the States on Echostar 7 and 8,10. If so ,does anyone know which PGM should be loaded on it ??

[Beetman]

http://www.rabbitmedia.com/

Stumbled upon this, not sure about the legality of using one of these in SA.

[GaryvdM]

LOL. any other good hacker movie you'd recommend? i want to watch a full blown hacker movie. not firewall or antitrust or swordfish. i want something really awsome.

A movie about real hackers: Revolution OS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_OS)

[chopsuey]

A movie about real hackers: Revolution OS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_OS)

"I'm your worst nightmare"

:D

[ponder]

As far as I know duplicating smart cards is no longer an option. Cracking Irdeto seems impossible so die wet van transvaal applies :D

[jvk]

As far as I know duplicating smart cards is no longer an option. Cracking Irdeto seems impossible so die wet van transvaal applies :D

well anyone who knows how to.... pm me :p :p :p

[Xcallibor]

There was a an exchange student from China that configured a friends computer with a decoder to receive DSTV channels. This guy only stayed in S.A. for three months and had to leave due to family commitments. He didn't want to get his adopted family any trouble so undid the connection before he left.

So I know for a fact that it's possible to hack DSTV, and he used to find some new codes once a week to keep the connection running safely, so that's how he managed to remain undetected. I think he was a hacker or something of that caliber.

[Quantum Theory]

There was a an exchange student from China that configured a friends computer with a decoder to receive DSTV channels. This guy only stayed in S.A. for three months and had to leave due to family commitments. He didn't want to get his adopted family any trouble so undid the connection before he left.

So I know for a fact that it's possible to hack DSTV, and he used to find some new codes once a week to keep the connection running safely, so that's how he managed to remain undetected. I think he was a hacker or something of that caliber.

Who here believes that story?

[Naks]

MythTv :rolleyes:

[Madman88]

There was a an exchange student from China that configured a friends computer with a decoder to receive DSTV channels. This guy only stayed in S.A. for three months and had to leave due to family commitments. He didn't want to get his adopted family any trouble so undid the connection before he left.

So I know for a fact that it's possible to hack DSTV, and he used to find some new codes once a week to keep the connection running safely, so that's how he managed to remain undetected. I think he was a hacker or something of that caliber.
:rolleyes:

Who here believes that story?
Not me.

Thats on par with:
"There was a an exchange student from China that configured a friends computer with a 56k modem to give him an uncapped 4mb line!! This guy only stayed in S.A. for three months and had to leave due to family commitments. He didn't want to get his adopted family any trouble so undid the connection before he left.

So I know for a fact that it's possible to hack a 56k modem, and he used to find some new ip's once a week to keep the connection running safely, so that's how he managed to remain undetected. I think he was a hacker or something of that caliber."

[Madman88]

Or

"There was a an exchange student from China that configured a friends computer with a cell phone to give him an unlimited calls!! This guy only stayed in S.A. for three months and had to leave due to family commitments. He didn't want to get his adopted family any trouble so undid the connection before he left.

So I know for a fact that it's possible to hack a cell phone, and he used to find some new phone numbers once a week to keep the connection running safely, so that's how he managed to remain undetected. I think he was a hacker or something of that caliber."

[Madman88]

or
"There was a an exchange student from China that configured a friends computer with a ps3 to give him unlimited games!! This guy only stayed in S.A. for three months and had to leave due to family commitments. He didn't want to get his adopted family any trouble so undid the connection before he left.

So I know for a fact that it's possible to hack a ps3, and he used to find some new games once a week to keep the connection running safely, so that's how he managed to remain undetected. I think he was a hacker or something of that caliber."

[Quantum Theory]

"There was a an exchange student from China that configured a friends computer with a 56k modem to give him an uncapped 4mb line!! This guy only stayed in S.A. for three months and had to leave due to family commitments. He didn't want to get his adopted family any trouble so undid the connection before he left.

So I know for a fact that it's possible to hack a 56k modem, and he used to find some new ip's once a week to keep the connection running safely, so that's how he managed to remain undetected. I think he was a hacker or something of that caliber."

But... But... That actually happened. I saw it with my own eyes.

[Madman88]

"There was a an exchange student from China that configured a friends computer with cat to give him unlimited kittens!! This guy only stayed in S.A. for three months and had to leave due to family commitments. He didn't want to get his adopted family any trouble so undid the connection before he left.

So I know for a fact that it's possible to hack a cat, and he used to find some new furballs once a week to keep the connection running safely, so that's how he managed to remain undetected. I think he was a hacker or something of that caliber."

[Madman88]

"There was a an exchange student from China that configured a friends computer with a cereal box to give him an unlimited prizes!! This guy only stayed in S.A. for three months and had to leave due to family commitments. He didn't want to get his adopted family any trouble so undid the connection before he left.

So I know for a fact that it's possible to hack a cereal box, and he used to find some new barcodes once a week to keep the connection running safely, so that's how he managed to remain undetected. I think he was a hacker or something of that caliber."

[Edduck]

It's just amazing how a thread about hacking dstv can turn into a thread about a chinese kid and extra furballs LOL!

What I want to know is how to hack a pvr to so it will accept a nice 1.5Tb HD! Or has this been discussed already??

[Smurfatefrog]

It's just amazing how a thread about hacking dstv can turn into a thread about a chinese kid and extra furballs LOL!

What I want to know is how to hack a pvr to so it will accept a nice 1.5Tb HD! Or has this been discussed already??
Yup, SDPVR, probably wont work with HDPVR
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=199055

[Obelix]

I dont know if u guys have even gone into a flea market or a shady corner store and found that the store owner is watching or has DSTV playing on a TV in his store. Do u find it strange that he would play hundreds of rands to get a paid channel on a tv that he is only going to use from 8 til 5 each day?
I have heard rumours that DSTV units can be hacked, and why not anyways, i mean they have hacked and chipped ps2, xboxes, ps3 by now, why not the decoders?
Can decoders really be hacked?

Thats 9 hours of tv. Most people ( those with lives ) watch less than 9 hours of tv a day, so i guess the shoppie is getting more value for his money....

[isankey]

Though I'm not entirely sure how the specifics work - sidescatter off the antenna I'm guessing - triangulation of signal to pick up sets recieving TV signals is old news, it's a technique that was developed in the 1940's for SIGINT purposes and tracking recievers, then just modified to TV frequencies. British Telecom did it in the 1950's as a means of tracking people not paying their licenses, they'd drive a van around a suburb, see which addresses were receiving signal, and then compare that to the list of paid up license holders.

So far as tracking pirate satellite receivers is concerned I'm not sure, and it seems logical that without some form of radiation from the dish they can't, but I know the guy who designs and builds them for multichoice, so I'll ask him next time I see him.

EDIT

Heh oops, I just saw there's another 3 pages of this thread since the post I was responding to that I missed completely.
The above is in response to

LOL you should stop speaking to random people, SABC also advertised that they can find you if you don't pay your license, it's just to scare the masses I doubt it's possible

[greg_SA]

Damn, Madman, that is some funny s**t :D

[-LiLiTh-]

Is it really worth it to hack DSTV?! :eek:

[Quantum Theory]

Is it really worth it to hack DSTV?! :eek:

No, because it can't be done.

[-LiLiTh-]

No, because it can't be done.

Lol that and i find it to be extremely boring, i'd much rather spend my time reading MyBB forums.

:Dafter three months of reading i've finally decided to register (as from today onwards i am a member)

[Robertvv]

The only way they can trace you, is if you brag that you get it for free.

Some company writes a code, the decoder is then build around it.
Just before the sim card leaves the factory, a track get burnt off. Now you cannot play with it.
the coding also changes every few minutes.

[Nerfherder]

I didn't know that smart cards had tracks.

[kayvee]

Just before the sim card leaves the factory, a track get burnt off. Now you cannot play with it.
the coding also changes every few minutes.

That was 20 years ago. :p

Encryption.

[Jubba]

don't know if anyone still reads this thread... but is anyone aware of how dstv cancels a subscription, is it like the old mnet decoders, if u unplug decoder with smartcard and cancel it after that they cant deactivate it until you plug it back in, i also heard that after a few months they stopped sending the signal to cancel out so if you plugged decoder back in after a certain time period you could watch free of charge, i thought this might work with dstv as your decoder does not send any info out only receives unless dstv now have enough bandwidth to continually send out the cancel signal. though you might know quantum... or anyone else. I am asking because my brother upgraded to hd pvr at beginning of march and gave me his old decoder, i set it up on the 12th march and was still working but after a day i was getting messages saying 'checking smartcard' it then got canceled.

[avr-rulez]

The bad news is that even if you missed all the "switch off" command - the card still has a built in timer - 28 days if memory serves - so the first time you plug it in it would know you have exceeded. Anyway pulling the card out will cause you to miss daily updates. It's well covered mate

[Voicy]

As far as I know duplicating smart cards is no longer an option. Cracking Irdeto seems impossible so die wet van transvaal applies :D

Yep, my uncle was the vice-president of Irdeto & I went to their offices in Holland once. The amount of technology that goes into those cards is amazing. They were the cryptology suppliers for PayTV networks across Asia, Canada and South America...so they weren't fart-arsing around.

As for the Wet van Transvaal, you'd be pleased to know that half their staff were Afrikaans okes who moved there. :D

[avr-rulez]

Funny how they lost out to NDS....