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THE Gautrain project will get an extra R1bn injection from the provincial government’s reserves to reduce its borrowing from R5,2bn to R4,2bn.

Over the medium term, the Gautrain project will get R11,6bn from the Gauteng government
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Monies get spend but poverty remains? Also, seeing more BEE companies gets the contracts i really hope they know what they're doing as i'm def not going to ride a train with the worry of wheather the ppl that were involved with the project were skilled enough so i can risk my life on it :eek:
 
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Robin Hood said:
THE Gautrain project will get an extra R1bn injection from the provincial government’s reserves to reduce its borrowing from R5,2bn to R4,2bn.

Over the medium term, the Gautrain project will get R11,6bn from the Gauteng government
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Monies get spend but poverty remains? Also, seeing more BEE companies gets the contracts i really hope they know what they're doing as i'm def not going to ride a train with the worry of wheather the ppl that were involved with the project were skilled enough so i can risk my life on it :eek:
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I know the guy in charge.We worked together 15 years ago.

Old school

No problem there.
 
Is the Gautrain supposed to be a Maglev bullet train like the Shinkansen?
Only a handful of countries have bullet trains (France, UK, Germany, CHina, Korea and Japan) - not even the US has a proper Bullet train, or is it just an ordinary train
with a cathyname and a great excuse to syphon off funds?
 
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PeterCH said:
Is the Gautrain supposed to be a Maglev bullet train like the Shinkasen?
Only a handful of countries have bullet trains (France, UK, Germany, CHina, Korea and Japan) - not even the US has a proper Bullet train, or is it just an ordinary train
with a cathyname and a great excuse to syphon off funds?
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Slow.
 
boramk said:
ahhhh, I remember my train ride in Korea 4 years ago.... 310KM/h:D
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310 kph is impressive.

At least now we will have a direct link between Pretoria and Johannesburg.

Paul Kruger refused it many years ago.

You always had to change trains at Germiston.
 
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I always figured the Gautrain was a case of "We can be first world too!" by the ANC, not to mention a bit of a boost for 2010.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for the modernisation of transport in SA, but at what expense?

I think the obvious one here would be the cost of repairing the road infrastructure in SA, which has been estimated in the billions.

That's why I think the Gautrain is more of a PR exercise than a viable transport solution.

The biggest hole in the plan is the "feeder" routes to the train - it's all very well building a train linking two cities, but how do you get to the train from your house?
Where do you park?
Are there shuttle buses?
What will it cost?

Other countries who have trains such as this, have a decent public transport infrastructure to start with.

I can't help feeling the entire thing is one big white elephant.
 
bb_matt said:
Where do you park?
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In the parking garages they are building next to the terminals.
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Are there shuttle buses?
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AFAIK there are. How many and at what price is another matter.

I'm kinda ambivalent about the Gautrain atm. Could either pan out great or disastrous.
 
the gautrain is as much about the future of public transport as it is about PR.
its a top notch, high quality train, that costs a ton!
its the level of quality that commuters should demand along all major routes and in major cities. government allocates under R1 billion to cities and expects them to form miracles/some form of public transport system in 3 years. If the plan doesnt work, cities get blamed not government who refuse to realize the cost of providing a public transport system.

as for the cost of the gautrain im 50/50. its going to cost around R25 billion i think... with R12bn from government, which I think could have been much better spent by increasing the transport allocations to other cities in south africa, allowing them fund a decent public transport system.
 
The money for the stadia and trains would have been better spent building power stations and dams. Both are going to be white elephants after the event.
 
if u say so. as before..which stadia.
money for power stations was always there..its not because of the stadia that gvt were too stupid to realize they had to build power stations.
 
Road runner said:
The money for the stadia and trains would have been better spent building power stations and dams. Both are going to be white elephants after the event.
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True, but the gautrain is not suppose to be ready by 2010, in fact it will be a white elephant in 2010 as it will not be completed yet. Gautrain was never part of the 2010 bid and there is therfore no pressure in having it completed by then either. 2010 supoorters will have to make use of the current public transport system (taxi's and trains) into Soweto to watch the matches. :eek: Making matters worse, eskom needs to supply most of the power load, and thats a joke on its own.

I dont see many middleclass people making use of the gautrain once its completed anyway. Security would be a major concern for me, even if the trains are 100% safe, walking to and from stations will not be. Its a failure before the project has even been completed. Where I live in NZ we drive our cars to the train stations, we park them their and we catch the trains into town, would like to see this working in joburg, getting back to your car and its gone, worse still, you hijacked getting into it.
 
MacNabs said:
I dont see many middleclass people making use of the gautrain once its completed anyway. Security would be a major concern for me, even if the trains are 100% safe, walking to and from stations will not be. Its a failure before the project has even been completed. Where I live in NZ we drive our cars to the train stations, we park them their and we catch the trains into town, would like to see this working in joburg, getting back to your car and its gone, worse still, you hijacked getting into it.
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Don't worry dude, just stay in new zealand, nothing bad EVER happens there, actually NOTHING ever happens.
 
PeterCH said:
Is the Gautrain supposed to be a Maglev bullet train like the Shinkansen?
Only a handful of countries have bullet trains (France, UK, Germany, CHina, Korea and Japan) - not even the US has a proper Bullet train, or is it just an ordinary train
with a cathyname and a great excuse to syphon off funds?
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Only the Japanese have a bullet train - all the others have their own names and different technologies. French TGV runs on tracks and is amazing. The poms have an aging rail network and no high speed trains save the intercity 125s which are not high tech. China has one maglev train that, iirc is still largely experimental and german. You missed the train from Central to KLIA - that goes at about 350kph iirc.

OOOOOO not even the US!!! OOOOO wow - forget the bloody yanks for a change!!! Only rednecks catch trains in the states anyway - like us they all have cars.

The Gautrain is comparable to any rail system in any country - it is not going any great distances and will still be the fastest train in Africa. Just because black people are working on it does not mean that it will be unsafe.

The latent racism on this forum is sometimes astounding - i thought that all you lot lived in perth by now and spent your time swearing at brown cricketers in Afrikaans.!!
 
people working on gautrain include both top locals and internationals. its prob the most sophisticated and advanced team of people we've had work on a major project in RSA.

Apparently the Sandton to OR Tambo route will be complete by 2010.
The transport to Soccer City will be provided by bus shuttle services and the new BRT Rea Vaya system.

Visit skyscrapercity.com for all Johannesburg related transport projects.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=494316
 
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