Telkom proclaims ADSL vindication

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ORIGINAL TEXT TO BE FOUND AT: http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/internet/2004/0402051159.asp


Telkom proclaims ADSL vindication



BY WARWICK ASHFORD, ITWEB JOURNALIST


[Johannesburg, 5 February 2004] - Despite complaints from several quarters, independent research shows the majority of asymmetrical subscriber line (ADSL) users are happy with Telkom's service and offering.

“A large independent research company confirms that 87% of business users and 84.3% of domestic users rated Telkom's ADSL service as excellent, very good, or good,” says Steven White, Telkom product development executive.

“We now have proof that most ADSL users are happy with the service.”

White says the survey shows that contrary to many recent media reports, very few ADSL users are dissatisfied. “I am now open to audit.”

Telkom ADSL users have argued vehemently against issues such as the pricing and the 3GB data cap, and a group of disgruntled users have gone so far as to launch a Web site to discuss their frustrations. ITWeb readers complaining about the service say that as soon as they exceed the limit, their Internet connection becomes so slow that it is virtually non-existent.

“The research was based on a significant sample of 790 ADSL clients,” says Hans Van De Groenendaal, Telkom corporate communications senior manager. “We think the sample is a good representation of users' experience with roughly equal numbers of business and residential users included in the sample.”

Telkom hopes to further improve the level of user satisfaction by expanding its ADSL services to new areas and markets.

“Some areas have not been able to access ADSL because of fibre optic links instead of the required copper wire links between the digital subscriber line access multiplexors (DSLAMs) and users,” says White. “It was simply not practical to put 480-port DSLAMs in street junction boxes to serve only a handful of users.”

This has changed with the introduction of mini-DSLAMs with 12 to 48 ports. “Using the new mini-DSLAMs, we expect to start expanding our ADSL services into these formerly excluded areas very soon.”

In addition to expanding service areas, Telkom plans to make a new premium service available that is less restricted than the standard offering. “This service has yet to be finalised,” says White, “but it will be sold in 1GB increments and will be aimed at online stock traders and gamers.”

Although aimed at gamers, he says it will not be suitable for those wanting to use peer-to-peer applications. “These users should get a leased-line.”

White says the survey results are gratifying considering the effort Telkom has made to provide the best ADSL service at the lowest possible price. “We have done our best to make ADSL sustainable and affordable, and hope to drive down the cost even further as the number of users increases and more sophisticated billing technologies become available.”

Industry experts reacted cautiously to the claims, saying they are reluctant to comment on the results without seeing the full sample and methodology used.


He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
 
If the price comes down before a 3rd operator (note not a 2nd one) arrives, I will eat my Pocket PC's nylon cover! [:D]

I also think they used some very wealthy people for the survey! People who know nothing about the technology, who can afford to pay too much for a service like this and who don't know that this service exists somewhere else on this planet from which we can learn how it should be done...

Cheers
Antowan

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<br />ORIGINAL TEXT TO BE FOUND AT: http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/internet/2004/0402051159.asp


Telkom proclaims ADSL vindication



BY WARWICK ASHFORD, ITWEB JOURNALIST


[Johannesburg, 5 February 2004] - Despite complaints from several quarters, independent research shows the majority of asymmetrical subscriber line (ADSL) users are happy with Telkom's service and offering.

“A large independent research company confirms that 87% of business users and 84.3% of domestic users rated Telkom's ADSL service as excellent, very good, or good,” says Steven White, Telkom product development executive.

“We now have proof that most ADSL users are happy with the service.”

White says the survey shows that contrary to many recent media reports, very few ADSL users are dissatisfied. “I am now open to audit.”

Telkom ADSL users have argued vehemently against issues such as the pricing and the 3GB data cap, and a group of disgruntled users have gone so far as to launch a Web site to discuss their frustrations. ITWeb readers complaining about the service say that as soon as they exceed the limit, their Internet connection becomes so slow that it is virtually non-existent.

“The research was based on a significant sample of 790 ADSL clients,” says Hans Van De Groenendaal, Telkom corporate communications senior manager. “We think the sample is a good representation of users' experience with roughly equal numbers of business and residential users included in the sample.”

Telkom hopes to further improve the level of user satisfaction by expanding its ADSL services to new areas and markets.

“Some areas have not been able to access ADSL because of fibre optic links instead of the required copper wire links between the digital subscriber line access multiplexors (DSLAMs) and users,” says White. “It was simply not practical to put 480-port DSLAMs in street junction boxes to serve only a handful of users.”

This has changed with the introduction of mini-DSLAMs with 12 to 48 ports. “Using the new mini-DSLAMs, we expect to start expanding our ADSL services into these formerly excluded areas very soon.”

In addition to expanding service areas, Telkom plans to make a new premium service available that is less restricted than the standard offering. “This service has yet to be finalised,” says White, “but it will be sold in 1GB increments and will be aimed at online stock traders and gamers.”

Although aimed at gamers, he says it will not be suitable for those wanting to use peer-to-peer applications. “These users should get a leased-line.”

White says the survey results are gratifying considering the effort Telkom has made to provide the best ADSL service at the lowest possible price. “We have done our best to make ADSL sustainable and affordable, and hope to drive down the cost even further as the number of users increases and more sophisticated billing technologies become available.”

Industry experts reacted cautiously to the claims, saying they are reluctant to comment on the results without seeing the full sample and methodology used.


He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
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He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
 
kewl white says that he's open to audit therefore we can request the audit reports documents an c actually who the survey targeted.


Proud South african rip offs.
 
Perhaps they should survey potential customers .. i.e those who really want a broadband connection at home, but are not getting one because of high prices, poor product offering, etc.

That will tell a totally different story.
 
Where those interviewed informed about the ADSL costs and "packages" (speeds cap sizes etc) in other countries and then asked if they were satisfied?

It would be very difficult to comment unless the structure of the process was known, the structure of those questioned know in terms of monthly bandwidth usage.

It is however difficult to put the claims of 80% plus satisfaction and the previous statements of more than 20% subscribers exceeding the 3GB cap together in a meaningful way.

I do believe that Markinor would try to do a professional job - within the constraints set by the client Telkom.

So it is up to Telkom/Markinor to open the books and proof the claims made by Telkom. That will give disgruntled users the opportunity to hack at the weak spots of the survey.

I do however like the timing of the release - just when it seems as if Sentech is starting to get over some of their teething problems.




South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
Hi Antowan and others

I was asked to comment on the issue, but unfortunately it was just too late for publication. I think it is a good idea to add some comment to this story at ITWeb.

Regards,

RPM
[email protected]
 
I spoke to Markinor last year and because I was not
interviewed I would not have right to the "audit.

Any person interviewed has a right to the "audit"
and the right to take the "audit" to some body -
maybe it's the "DMA" i'm not sure and have the process
verified.

Phone Markinor and ask the top girls for the details.

Be nice to get an independant view on the actual survey
and verify that what was written was what was said.
 
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ORIGINAL TEXT TO BE FOUND AT: http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/internet/2004/0402051159.asp

“The research was based on a significant sample of 790 ADSL clients,” says Hans Van De Groenendaal,
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That's less than the number of registered users for this forum, not all who have ADSL of course.
 
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“The research was based on a significant sample of 790 ADSL clients,” says Hans Van De Groenendaal, Telkom corporate communications senior manager.
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Yes of course... those people will reflect my exact feelings towards ADSL. WTF? [}:)]

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Although aimed at gamers, he says it will not be suitable for those wanting to use peer-to-peer applications. “These users should get a leased-line.”
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is probably the worst suggestion ever. [:D]
 
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yeh, and in 1939 the majority of Germans were happy with Hitler.[}:)]

yeh, and in the seventies the "majority" were happy with die krokodil [:o)]

yeh, and in most african countries everyone is so happy just to get a line.

We all know better now !


We are so indoctrinated with the "<i>pay as you speak</i>" history.
 
I wonder if the "sample" of people queried included any people who have been capped in the last three months?

My money is on the "sample" being people in the lower to middle of the curve, who use the internet in the way Telkom expects them too - ie only visit web sites and read email, hardly use FTP and certainly have never heard of Kazaa.
 
I wonder what Telkom's beef is with p2p. Ask any tech buff and he/she will tell you that p2p is the way of the future. It is about more than just file sharing, it is a whole new way of thinking!

Aaaaarrrggghh!!!! [:(]

Cheers
Antowan

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<br />I wonder if the "sample" of people queried included any people who have been capped in the last three months?

My money is on the "sample" being people in the lower to middle of the curve, who use the internet in the way Telkom expects them too - ie only visit web sites and read email, hardly use FTP and certainly have never heard of Kazaa.
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He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
 
IP-telephony is also P2P....

It does not matter if Telkom likes it or not, but that is the way of the future.

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I wonder what Telkom's beef is with p2p. Ask any tech buff and he/she will tell you that p2p is the way of the future. It is about more than just file sharing, it is a whole new way of thinking!

Aaaaarrrggghh!!!! [:(]

Cheers
Antowan

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<br />I wonder if the "sample" of people queried included any people who have been capped in the last three months?

My money is on the "sample" being people in the lower to middle of the curve, who use the internet in the way Telkom expects them too - ie only visit web sites and read email, hardly use FTP and certainly have never heard of Kazaa.
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He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
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South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
I have this image of a monotone domini type charactor standing at a pulpit reading from a leather bound telkom branded book marked - how to use the internet, published in 1972.

Us 13 odd % of the ADSL community are going to Internet HELL - hang on ... are we not there already?

Tell-Kom: Telling them what they can do ... and providing one HELL of a service.
 
Yeah - its very easy to manipulate a survey outcome upfront by structuring the questions in such a way that the outcome must be positive andTelkom being the client in this case - could have prescibed the type of question.

I for one moment do not believe the results - it is easy to do a survey in rich areas as stated by a pevious contributor - and get a good result.

Would be interresting if the members of this forum be allowed to put together such a survey questionnaire - and then hopefully get a true reflection of what is going on.

In the past week or so the internet is so damn slow that it is even a battle to open news24 - let alone trying to download something through kaza.

Can't wait for sentech to launch in cape Town - maybe I can then get something downloaded for a change.
 
I am suprised no one brought up the bit :" significant sample of 790 ADSL clients " was "We think the sample is a good representation of users' experience " when the 1000 + forum members here represent a minority of disgruntled users.

Rather a double standard , no ?
 
The people that are happy are just relieved they have an extra R5,000 to spend now that they got rid of their 64K Diginet line. They probably just check their e-mail all day which is local anyway, and maybe ummmmm horoscopes, and the odd smutty website overseas which their friend mailed them the link to. Not your average user by a long shot, dial-up would cost them the same per month.

Telkom, please furnish me with all the numbers of people surveyed, and I will call each one of them and just by-the-by mention overseas prices, their lack of caps and SLA's which will make you stick your head in the sand. They are grossly unaware of offerings in other countries, even Oz is cheaper and they're much further from anything than us.

But check, what, 84% said either Excellent, Very Good, or Good - 83.9% said good the other 1% musta said excellent or very good.

I just hope they weren't asking the secretaries or housewives at these biz's/homes their opinions but rather the people that use the line! People that have DSL at home are the people that know they need it, and that it is a grossly inadequate service for the price and what they need it for.

So even if TK does come down in price (which will be paltry i'm sure) I'm going with Sentech based purely on principle. If there is any way to screw Telkom over i would do it in a <b>big</b> way.

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Just imagine where SA would be now if it weren't for Telkom
 
The poll result is bull and we all know that.
Telkom could easily query their database to find a few thousand subscribers who are likely to give them a favourable vote. They would then hand this list over to Markinor who would unknowingly 'confirm the selection criteria' Telkom used to get the list of subscribers.

I don't buy into any Telkom survey in which Telkom or any other organisation is involved. I have seen how their Dirty Tricks Department schemes and it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't money changing hands under the table either or key individuals being blackmailed.

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So NOW 790 clients are a significant sample!!!! But the 1000+ MyADSL users is also YOUR CLIENTS!

Remember the days when Steve made us out as a small group of disgruntled users. He can't say that anymore, cause they just said 790 is a SIGNIFICANT number to them!!!!!

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So Stevie just remind us again, when was it that ADSL costs came down? I can't remember that well.

Please explain this to me Hansie & Stevie...
 
"based on a significant sample of 790 ADSL clients"

Is that the number of participants or an area code?
They called me and my number is 790xxxx.
And I know most of the other users in the (Hout Bay) exchange.
I must have been the 13% that was not satisfied [:)][:D]

Just out of interest Markinor refused to release the questions, despite the fact that I participated, and said that Telkom provided them and I have to request them there.

This was rigged.
Sample Question "how much more would you be willing to pay for ....."
How would you rate this service compared to a carrier pidgon?" [}:)]

Ok the last one was facetious but you get my drift.

Most of the questions did concern the price and the cap. Whenever I mentioned personal complaints such as port prioritisation or the proxy, I was told that it was beyond the scope of the survey, and to please stick to the multiple-choice answers.

This result is no more or less than I expected.

The two most telling parts of the story are that:

“Industry experts reacted cautiously to the claims, saying they are reluctant to comment on the results without seeing the full sample and methodology used.”

And as was pointed out earlier in this thread, If Telkom consider 87% of 790 users to be a good sample, how can they ignore 100% of 1000+ users on this site.

Cheers
Chris
 
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