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Hi Folks

I have been in discussion/correspondence with Telkom for the past few weeks to try to negotiate a cheaper and improved ADSL service. I have received some feedback from them regarding our requests. Your feedback is welcome as usual!

Regards,

RPM

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Cost:

“As far a “more affordable” ADSL is concerned, affordability is something one can debate. In the recent study only 6% of Business customers said that ADSL was expensive. In the residential market 19% said is was expensive.

Telkom realises that there is a gap in the access market between ISDN Multilink (128 kbps) and ADSL. We are currently looking at closing the gap with a new ADSL access product.”

International only cap:

“Telkom is aware of the market’s expectation about measuring and counting only the International portion of the bandwidth. Currently our system does support this option. We are however investigating upgrading the equipment. I have no expected timeline at this stage.”

Changing passwords:

“We have been as eager as you are to facilitate the on-line changing of passwords as this offers additional security. We will be introducing this in the very near future. We are currently doing some beta testing.

As you will appreciate, this will only apply to TelkomInternet powered by ADSL and dial-up access and email passwords. An ISDN password tool will follow later this year. Customers using other ISP’s should contact their provider. I will advise you when the password tool goes live.”

Service unavailable:

“Where possible our call centre number will carry messages when a general failure occurs. It is not practical to warn customers by email, as they have no access to their mailboxes during outages.

SAIX sends out advance notices to ISP’s when some major network upgrades have to be performed. TelkomInternet then sends advance notices to its customer base. I am not aware of what other ISP’s do.”

SLA:

“Your question about Service Level Agreements, SLA’s are not applicable on shared services. “

Set contention ratios:

“Contention ratios are competitive information.”

Higher price for business ADSL:

“On the issue of dropping the price of ADSL for Business Customers, we differentiate the price from residential service because Business Customers enjoy a faster repair and installation service. We continue to look at opportunities to make all our products and services most cost effective and will continuously evaluate our pricing options as the service matures.”

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It will be a great help if Telkom only measures international bandwith. It will result in an upsurge in local servers, which is good, I suppose. But most importantly our capping restraints will be less. Password change is also a good development (which should have happened long ago).
 
My main concern is that Telkom is only interested in what the customer considers "reasonable" - problem is that most local customers have a rather warped sense of reasonable.
 
RPM, thanks for the info.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">affordability is something one can debate
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Lets debate the fact that 99.9% of this country can't afford Telkom ADSL. If they made it more affordable, more like 25% of the country would be able to afford ADSL.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In the residential market 19% said is was expensive.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Where on earth do they get these figures? I've never once been included in any of their research. Crumbs man, 95% of myadsl users would say it's too expensive and we're only a "small minority", remember?

So yet again, we have not been told anything new and they are not prepared to give an inch. The only plus is that we will "soon" be able to change our passwords. Well thank you very much for finally giving us something you should have already had available when ADSL was first introduced.

Not impressed at all.


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United we stand!
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Not necessarily the answers we wanted. But let's look at some of the positives:
+ at least there is a channel of communication (good job rpm!)
+ it looks like there will be some additional/cheaper always-on products (would have preferred ones with higher access speeds as well (e.g. 1 meg), but more choice is a good thing)
+ some acknowledgement that international traffic should be measured seperately, and a commitment (albeit vague) to try and adress it
+ ability to change passwords

Thanks for the feedback rpm ;) . Good to see that at least they are communicating with you / us/
 
I still feel they have to work on reducing the charges and increasing the quality for their EXISTING products, not just implementing more incomplete and broken services.
 
Agreed.

But we know it will be a long and hard struggle. Another long walk to freedom.

Cheers
Antowan.

PS. I have my doubts as to whether 1 more competitor will be enough to change the status-quo... WE NEED MORE!!!!

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tharaxis</i>
<br />I still feel they have to work on reducing the charges and increasing the quality for their EXISTING products, not just implementing more incomplete and broken services.
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&lt;&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Black holes are where God divided by zero.&lt;&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
 
At least they're *thinking* of Upgrading there equipment so ONLY INTERNATIONAL BANDWIDTH is counted[:D][:D][:D]

there's no timeline though and that could be a short or long time. I'd go for the latter[}:)]
 
“Contention ratios are competitive information.” - I don't understand - who/what is the competition ?
 
when will international bandwidth come down in price [that is when will Telkom stop making 500% profit]?!?!?! I mean if i get ADSL... it must be unshaped... not for downloads... but for gaming! The +- R900 just for ISP charges is daylight robbery!!! The line rental must come down substantially... reduce costs... reduce costs... reduce costs...
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rpm</i>
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Higher price for business ADSL:

“On the issue of dropping the price of ADSL for Business Customers, we differentiate the price from residential service because Business Customers enjoy a faster repair and installation service.

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May we please have this in writing. As well as 'n proper tabulation of the difference between "standard" and "super" service. And could this be optional to business users as well. I don't mind paying for a superior service, if I know what the service is, why it is superior and if I had the choice of having standard service if I wished not to have superior service.

The only reason why Telkom is not prepared to place this on paper, is that they know it would be used against them in court.

They are actually blackmailing business: Either you pay the extortion rates, or you don't get service. And beware if you start asking questions - Telkom won't provide a decent answer.

Pity Sentech is making a real big mess of things. We could have had an alternative to Telkom's attitude.





South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
Kaspaas... you may have an alternative soon! Vodacom and MTN it seems will be launching a broadband service in busy metropolitan areas...

read this thread: http://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3892
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Syzygy78</i>
<br />Kaspaas... you may have an alternative soon! Vodacom and MTN it seems will be launching a broadband service in busy metropolitan areas...

read this thread: http://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3892


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Problem is that Vodacom and MTN are MEGAbusinesses that can only exchange Megabytes for Megabucks.

I don't expect a viable product to replace ADSL/MyWireless from them



South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
And Telkom own 50% of Vodacom and a third of MTN. So don’t look their, for any new blood.

I mean look at the whole Telkom scenario. It's so blatantly a matter of conflict of interest. The state owns 38%, but should have the public’s interest at heart, but how can they, when they receive a cheque from Telkom for dividends? What is the state's function? Shareholders or the Countries Administrator. It’s such a balls-up.
I don't believe that the government can ever be entrusted to privatise another public asset.


<b><hr noshade size="1"></b><font size="2"><font color="red"><b>You can take Telkom out of the Post Office but you can't take the Post Office out of Telkom.</b></font id="red"></font id="size2">
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by BTTB</i>
<br /> It’s such a balls-up.
I don't believe that the government can ever be entrusted to privatise another public asset.
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Sentence too long. You should have stopped after 'entrusted'[}:)]
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In the recent study only 6% of Business customers said that ADSL was expensive. In the residential market 19% said is was expensive.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
This smacks of the Markinor survey and we all know how scientific that was. The price issue, in my mind, has therefore not been adequately addressed by Telkom.
Otherwise, good news from the point that they are at least talking to us. All I want is something more affordable.
 
The entire telecommunications industry (land line, cell and broadband)is a total ripoff. In many ways the high sell prices suits everyone. Telkom strips good profits out of their shareholdings in Vodascum, and MTN & the government laughs all the way to the bank. Cell C the socalled leveller of the palying field simply offered value added rubbish. Your cell bills, land line bills or ADSL never got any cheaper ever. So what has this got to do with my ADSL. Indirectly everyone colludes with everyone else when you are megabusiness. The next lot to be targeted in a forum like this is Vodacom, MTN and Cell C. If they are forced to reduce real prices, so will telscum have to fall in line finally. Surely of the cell companies put pressure on their shareholder Telkom (a minority shareholder) the cheaper will be their new broadband service). Highly unlikely. Far easier for them to bitch about Telkom and blame their high prices on their shareholder and get away with charging a lower price. That's having your cake and eating it (if you are the cell business whoa er no beter than Telkom; the are just more efficient and friendlier at ripping off the public).

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by BTTB</i>
<br />And Telkom own 50% of Vodacom and a third of MTN. So don’t look their, for any new blood.

I mean look at the whole Telkom scenario. It's so blatantly a matter of conflict of interest. The state owns 38%, but should have the public’s interest at heart, but how can they, when they receive a cheque from Telkom for dividends? What is the state's function? Shareholders or the Countries Administrator. It’s such a balls-up.
I don't believe that the government can ever be entrusted to privatise another public asset.


<b><hr noshade size="1"></b><font size="2"><font color="red"><b>You can take Telkom out of the Post Office but you can't take the Post Office out of Telkom.</b></font id="red"></font id="size2">
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If they ONLY asked the customers who actually have ADSL whether it is too expensive, well, if it was too expensive they wouldn't have it then, would they?

As I recall, a few months back, Steven White from Telkom said (on the Markinor survey): "We are open to audit". RPM requested the data on this survey and to date Steven White has not complied.
 
Well they should re-do the survey and while on the phone ask the people to go to our new ammo stash:
http://www.hellkom.co.za/research/ADSLcostcompare.htm
they will be singing a different tune in mere seconds.
Telkom should supply each ADSL connection with a box of Forget-me-nots for when their loyal paying customers find out they paying more than most of the planet.

<font color="navy"><font size="1"><b>Where others have progress, we have Telkom.</b>
Hellkom website - www.hellkom.co.za</font id="size1"></font id="navy">
 
MaD, I don't know how you got to the R1010 line rental for ADSL...
You should be more specific and indicate the cheaper package: Line rental R680 + Telkom internet R249 = R929.
In all cases, mention what the setup charges are as well, whether tax is included etc.
Good to see everything in a nutshell!
 
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