Ridiculous customer service from Vodacom

koosbeer

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I was wondering where on the MyADSL forum to post this. I need advice on how to take this complaint further because my patience has run out! Below is the story, its a bit long but that is how long I have been waiting for this thing to be fixed.

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I recently (11/07/2009) took a contract from Vodacom for the new HTC Magic handset. I played around with it and overall it was an excellent smart phone, then when switching the phone of and on the phone got stuck on the boot screen. I took it in to Vodacom Menlyn (13/08/2009) to have the phone repaired and I was promptly notified that it will take 7 – 10 workdays if they have to send it to the “manufacturer” which in this case is Leaf (importer). The handset was inevitably sent to Leaf.

Almost two weeks later I received a notification that I can pick up the phone from Vodacom Menlyn (25/08/2009). The invoice stated that they replaced the main board of the handset. I was very excited to have the phone back. At home I played around with it again and found that the vibration function of the phone as well as the accelerometer (the hardware that makes the phone screen tilt as you tilt the phone) was not working. I again took the phone back to Vodacom Menlyn where I was told that the phone will be sent back to Leaf to be fixed.

Again, almost two weeks later I receive a notification that I can collect the phone from Vodacom Menlyn (07/09/2009). I went in to collect the phone and opted to test the device right there in the store. The invoice stated that the vibrator unit has been replaced. During testing I found that the vibration was indeed working only the accelerometer was still broken. I told the customer service clerk that I will not sign the papers and that they will have to fix it. I was informed that they will need to send the phone back to Leaf for another two weeks. I opted to go home and try to get the accelerometer working (search the internet for a setting or something that I have to switch on to get it to work – maybe the software had the accelerometer switched off).

Alas the problem could not be solved by me so I returned the phone to Vodacom Menlyn for a third time (08/09/2009). I explained the problem in detail to the customer care clerk. I also iterated that this was the third time the phone was sent in and that it is unacceptable for me to wait two weeks again for the phone to be repaired. The clerk informed me that he (and the Vodacom Menlyn store manager) will prioritise the repair as urgent.

Two weeks later I received the notification from Vodacom Menlyn that I can fetch the handset (21/09/2009). I again opted to check the phone in store and again, the accelerometer was still not fixed. The forms from Leaf showed that the phone passed a QA process. The software was wiped and reinstalled (all my previous settings was gone) so I can only assume that they reinstalled the software and deemed this action a valid fix. I asked to speak to the store manager and was provided with a temporary store manager and sub-store manager or something of the sort. I then proceeded to tell my story to said person who informed me that the handset again has to be sent to Leaf. I informed him that this is unacceptable. He in turn informed me in not so many words that the burden of swapping out the handset was not on Vodacom but on Leaf and that I have to submit the phone again and wait another two weeks before I can have a working phone.

This brings me to my current point of waiting. I am attempting to contact the Vodacom Menlyn store to see if the store manager has taken an interest in this story. I have also emailed both Vodacom and Leaf and as of the 22/09/2009 I have not received a reply.

I received a reply on 23rd of September from Vodacom. I was assured that they are in contact with Leaf with regards to my phone. I called Vodacom Menlyn again and was again not able to speak to the manager of the store because he was “at the bathroom” or “just left his office”. They assured me that my device was at Leaf and being taken care of by their best technician. I called Leaf and was promptly put through to someone that handles the Vodacom accounts. The individual took my details and checked their system. She then informed me that my device was not at Leaf but she will contact her manager and call me back.

I was called by the Leaf manager at about 16:00 on the 23rd of September. He apologised for the poor technical service from Leafs side and promised me a new device as soon as he finds where my current device is. He contacted me 25th September to inform me that my phone just arrived (on Friday) from Vodacom. He also informed me that he attempted to organise with Vodacom to send me a device directly (as it takes Vodacom one and a half weeks to ship a device from Pretoria to Johannesburg and back). Vodacom told the Leaf manager that he cannot send the device directly to me. The Leaf manager assured me I will have my device on Monday the 28th of September.

I received an email from Vodacom telling me that they heard from Leaf that they are handling the problem now. No offer to help, no apology from them, nothing. Just a statement saying that the Leaf manager will handle the problem.

My thoughts on this whole process are as follows: Even though this problem is mainly form Leaf, the complete lack of customer service from Vodacom is appalling. They continuously attempt to tell me that the problem is not on their side but on the side of Leaf. Now this may well be true, but I have purchased this phone from Vodacom, not Leaf. Vodacom is the company I am paying the money to receive a certain level of service. It is Vodacom’s responsibility to put pressure on Leaf so the device can be repaired and received back faster than “normal”. It took me personally informing Leaf of the problem and Leaf taking control of this to sort out the problem.

As of 25 September 2009 I have not yet received my handset. I only have assurance from the Leaf manager that he will speed up the Vodacom process to get the phone to me faster.

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Any advice on what to do with this?
Regards
koosbeer
 
I don't believe that Leaf is responsible in this case. Their turn-around time is quite fast, and as you have stated, Vodacom took almost a week just to send your phone to them. This then makes sense to me more and more, they fix the phone and send it back to Vodacom and in turn, Vodacom takes a couple of days to inform you of this.

Which would mean Leaf only gets to hear about the same problem again after another week (or more).

The communication failure is clearly with Vodacom, even though Leaf did **** up the repair of the phone.

Personally, this is my opinion, and this might be a lesson to you too:

When I go to a steakhouse I don't order the fish. I order the steak. Same goes for the CTFM. I don't order their steak, I order the fish.

Point being, Vodacom/MTN and Cell C (Virgin too) are telecommunications people. Their aim is to lock you into a 24 month contract by waving a shiny new toy in front of you. This toy is always supplied by someone else, not them. So going to them (I can understand the warranty issue) each time when you know the phone goes to Leaf is asking for it. I'm not saying you shouldn't have done it, and you did get the phone from Vodacom. I'm just saying I'm a bit more tough than you and would've phoned Leaf to inquire way before you had.

I watched Oprah again today (I do that ****) and Suzi Orman was on and she said "Live within your means"... kind of made sense. If you can't afford to purchase the phone cash (waiting a few months will see the cash price of the phone drop dramatically) then don't.

I'm currently on an MTN Anytime 200 package, gives me R200 a month, I can topup with prepaid vouchers and it costs me R60 a month (R73 including CLI)

Just because I opted not to upgrade.

They're all out there to scam you out of your money. Yes. Scam. Because that's what they do.

I hope you get your phone Monday. And remember, if you do buy it cash, it does come with a warranty. **** customer service, I'll customer service myself because I know if I do the whole manager/branch manager/region manager thing someone will listen. I don't speak to peons (mostly because I don't have to) but still...

Good luck dude. If I were you I'd post this on hellopeter.com as well just to make sure they get it.

Perhaps send this through to the newspapers as well, sometimes they do investigate things like this. Also try an official complaint with ICASA. Not sure where it will get you, but it sure as hell would make them sit up and listen.
 
I had a similar experience with a Nokia phone and MTN, whereby the phone had to go back to MTN multiple times, and each time they kept it for a full 2 weeks, only for me to get it back still in a broken state.

I have learned 3 things from my experience:

1). It always takes 2 full weeks to "fix" the phone, no matter what is wrong, and no matter where it needs to be sent

2). Doing a SOFTWARE upgrade is deemed to be acceptable resolution of all problems, whether they be software of physical hardware faults i.e. a broken microphone is "fixed" by upgrading the software

3). No QA of any sort is done, EVER. The phone is just shipped back with the original issue still prevalent.

USELESS MORONS.
 
I don't believe that Leaf is responsible in this case. Their turn-around time is quite fast, and as you have stated, Vodacom took almost a week just to send your phone to them. This then makes sense to me more and more, they fix the phone and send it back to Vodacom and in turn, Vodacom takes a couple of days to inform you of this.

Which would mean Leaf only gets to hear about the same problem again after another week (or more).

The communication failure is clearly with Vodacom, even though Leaf did **** up the repair of the phone.

Personally, this is my opinion, and this might be a lesson to you too:

When I go to a steakhouse I don't order the fish. I order the steak. Same goes for the CTFM. I don't order their steak, I order the fish.

Point being, Vodacom/MTN and Cell C (Virgin too) are telecommunications people. Their aim is to lock you into a 24 month contract by waving a shiny new toy in front of you. This toy is always supplied by someone else, not them. So going to them (I can understand the warranty issue) each time when you know the phone goes to Leaf is asking for it. I'm not saying you shouldn't have done it, and you did get the phone from Vodacom. I'm just saying I'm a bit more tough than you and would've phoned Leaf to inquire way before you had.

I watched Oprah again today (I do that ****) and Suzi Orman was on and she said "Live within your means"... kind of made sense. If you can't afford to purchase the phone cash (waiting a few months will see the cash price of the phone drop dramatically) then don't.

I'm currently on an MTN Anytime 200 package, gives me R200 a month, I can topup with prepaid vouchers and it costs me R60 a month (R73 including CLI)

Just because I opted not to upgrade.

They're all out there to scam you out of your money. Yes. Scam. Because that's what they do.

I hope you get your phone Monday. And remember, if you do buy it cash, it does come with a warranty. **** customer service, I'll customer service myself because I know if I do the whole manager/branch manager/region manager thing someone will listen. I don't speak to peons (mostly because I don't have to) but still...

Good luck dude. If I were you I'd post this on hellopeter.com as well just to make sure they get it.

Perhaps send this through to the newspapers as well, sometimes they do investigate things like this. Also try an official complaint with ICASA. Not sure where it will get you, but it sure as hell would make them sit up and listen.
Unfortunately the Steakhouse controls both the steak and fish supply.

There used to be a Nokia shop; for example, but it has been closed and replaced by a Vodacare outlet.
 
Monopolies abound, I'm going to re-iterate what I said again:

Live within your means. They lock you up in a 24 month contract to get a shiny new toy. If you can't wait a few months (shiny new toy prices always go down) and buy it cash from a retail store with a swop-out policy. Then you should keep your old phone. You can then save a lot by just going with a Top-up package that gives you Rx a month for a lot cheaper than the amount allocated to your phone each month. They don't tell you the price is dramatically lower if you have your own phone still.

For R200 a month airtime, I pay R60. (+R13 for CLI)

And my phone was bought at a shop, 3 days after I bought it, the screen didn't work (apparently a hard reboot, according to the internet, would've solved it, but I opted to go back to the store). I went back and they swopped it out for me for a NEW unit. No "Wait 2 weeks we'll try and fiddle with it and fix it for you"... NEW.

I've always done that and never had a problem with my cellphone-communications provider. (MTN btw)

Because. I don't buy cellphones at someone who is specialized in providing me with voice (or data) communications. (The same reason why I won't buy hosting facilities for someone who specializes in providing me with internet connectivity. Same reason why I won't host my mail with them either)

And the steakhouse does not control the steak and fish supply. You should really go check out and shop around a bit more hey ;)
 
Thanks for the replies so far. Anyone got an email address for a paper where I can send this story to?
 
Was this your first HTC handset?
When it got stuck in "boot screen" did you try resetting it?

BTW go to Leaf, they in Fourways, worth a drive... Theres alot of manufacturers support that needs to be ironed out.
 
Try 702 website. They have implemented some sort of consumer complaints line - not sure how it all works though.
 
Lorato Moroeng
Customer Service Executive at Vodacom
Johannesburg Area, South Africa Telecommunications

call this bird
 
Is there a follow up on this from the OP?

Seems that the fault lies with Leaf re handset but service is definitely at fault with Vodacom as the handset was sent much later than what was expected.
 
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