What will be your Springbok team if you were SA Rugby coach?

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15 Franz Steyn
14 Lwazi Mvovo
13 Jaques Fourie
12 Wynand Olivier
11 Lionel Mapoe
10 Ruan Pienaar
9 Sarel Pretorius
8 Ryan Kankowski
7 Jean Deysel
6 Heinrich Brussouw
5 Bakkies Botha
4 Flip van der Merwe
3 Jannie du Plessis
2 Bismarck du Plessis
1 Tendai Mutawarira

Is this an exciting team or not? Nice running backline and a physical pack of forwards. Hope Pieter Div reads this 1
 
15 Steyn
14 Van den Heever
13 Fourie
12 De Villiers
11 Habana
10 Steyn
9 Du Preez (when he's back)
8 Spies
7 Smith
6 Heinrich Brussouw (when he's back)
5 Matfield
4 Botha
3 du Plessis
2 Smit
1 Mutawarira

Sharks front row, matfield/both combo, brussouw as the fetcher.
Du preez/Steyn combo, De Villiers/Fourie combo
 
smit as captain btw..
@sharks fan, who's your captain in that team?
 
15 Francois Steyn
14 JP Pieterson
13 Jaques Fourie
12 Jean de Villiers
11 Bryan Habana
10 Morne Steyn
9 Francois Hougaard
8 Pierre Spies
7 Ryan Kankowski
6 Schalk Burger
5 Victor Matfield
4 Flip van der Merwe
3 Jannie du Plessis
2 John Smit (C)
1 Guthro Steenkamp
 
15 - Steyn (Physical presence, plus rocket launcher for a boot)
14 - Aplon (Better form than Pieterson, and quite exciting when on attack)
13 - Fourie (Still the best outside in the country at the moment)
12 - de Villiers (Tough spot this one. Had to go with the incumbent, as he is at least solid there)
11 - Lwazi Mvovo (Habana so out of form it's scary! Mvovo at least knows how to hold onto the ball)
10 - Steyn (At the moment, our best option, from a security point of view. Patrick Lambie more exciting, but needs more time at top level first)
9 - Fourie/Pienaar/Hougaard (All 3 bring something special to the game.)
8 - Kankowski (Vermeulen is in top form, but I think Kankowski pip's him when it comes to the top level)
7 - Burger (Not a fetcher, but still highly influential in loose play.)
6 - Francois Louw / Heinrich Brussouw (Two special players. Keegan Daniel of the Sharks also having a top season)
5 - Victor Matfield (A bit out of touch, but still classy enough that on a bad day as good as the rest)
4 - Flip van der Merwe (Earned his place ahead of anyone else. Been a simple hard worker)
3 - BJ Botha (Solid, and reliable)
2 - Smit. (Still highly influential as a captain, and a really good hooker, if left to hook)
1 - Beast (Same a BJ)

Before people start baying about the lack of Cheetahs/Lions/Pumas etc players, ask yourself, do they really have what it takes. None have really stood up at the Currie Cup level, what makes you think they'll do so at Springbok level
 
I would love to see Bismark Du plessies as hooker, but smit is a good captain, so I'll stick with him at no2.
 
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15. F.Steyn (good defense, not the best attacking fullback, but you have to love the 60m kicks)
14.G.van der Heever (no one in SA can catch him, good defense)
13.J.Fourie (again, gr8 defense, strong runner)
12.J.de Jong (and yet again, gr8 defense, good offense)
11.JP.Pietersen (strong runner, good under the high ball, good defense)
10.M.Steyn (he stays the best flyhalf in SA)
9.F.du Preez (need i say anything?)
8.P.Spies (when he is on form, he is unstoppable, but i would also like to see Burger get a chance on nr 8)
7.S.Burger (he make tackles all over the field, he stays a class act, his contribution is tremendous)
6.H.Brussouw (best ball scavenger in SA, maybe even the world
5.V.Matfield (i think his best is behind him, but i will select him for as my captain, 3 Super 14 cups, currie cups, no captain in SA matches that, ever noticed smith always stands next to matfield)
4.B.Botha (he stays the enforcer, say what you want, we missed his physical presence)
3.C.van der Linde
2.B.Du Plessis (powerful, ball scavenger, strong runner, a simple must)
1.G.Steenkamp (he always gives his all, he plays like Scalk Burger, if he had the same long blond hair, people would notice him as well, a absolute must for the team)

Bench
16.J.Smit
17.B.Botha
18.A.Bekker
19.D.Roussouw
20.F.Hougaard
21.D.Hougaard
22.Z.Kritchner
 
Under current circumstance, Players in round brackets are if fully fit, Square Brackets are reserves

1) Steenkamp [Mtawarira]
2) Smit [Du Plessis]
3) Bj Botha
4) Russouw [Van der Merwe]
5) Matfield
6) Louw(Brussow)
7) Juan Smith [Burger]
8) Spies [Vermulean]

9)Hougaard(Du Preez)
10) Steyn [Pienaar/Grant]
11) Habana [Pieterson]
12) De Villiers [De Jongh]
13) Fourie [De Jongh]
14) Aplon
15) Steyn [Aplon]

That is in a squad of around 27 players.
 
15. Francios Steyn {Aplon}
14. Gerhard vd Heever
13. Jaques Fourie
12. Jean De Villiers
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Mornè Steyn
09. Rory Kockott [Fourie du Preez] {Ruan Pienaar}
08. Piere Spies {Ryan Kankowski}
07. Schalk Burger {Dewald Potgieter}
06. Francois Louw [Heinrich Brussouw]
05. Victor Matfield -Captain
04. Bakkies Botha {Flip van der Merwe}
03. CJ vd Linde
02. Bismark Du Plessis {John Smit}
01. Beast {Guthro Steenkamp}

Best all round team with current fit players Not fit indicated by [ ] but would be first choice when fit.
Replacements indicated with { }

Forwards you replace at the start of the second 1/2 which would be:
Guthro on for the Beast *
Dewald on for Burger
John on for Bismark *

*These replacements are specialist replacements, if one gets injured the previous player can return.

Then with 20 minutes to go throw the whole bench on the field Aplon on either Wing or Fullback depending on who is doing the worst Ruan on for whoever plays worst between M. Steyn, Kockott. Kankowski on for Spies and Flip on for Bakkies if he wasn't needed earlier in the game.

This is what I would have done. My team, my replacements and when.
 
We had a similar talk in the pub a few weeks ago: Thinking past 2011 WC, what new talent is emerging / has emerged for a young bok team?

Lambie, vd Heever, Aplon, Brussow are among my picks. Captain? Think after Smith - my choice would be Morné Steyn while a friend suggested Jaques Fourie - either are acceptable.

I also like both Kockott and Hougard at 9 and would be happy with either but I do think that Kockott should get a run at the end of the year.
 
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11 - Lwazi Mvovo (Habana so out of form it's scary! Mvovo at least knows how to hold onto the ball)
9 - Fourie/Pienaar/Hougaard (All 3 bring something special to the game.)
8 - Kankowski (Vermeulen is in top form, but I think Kankowski pips him when it comes to the top level)
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11: Agreed - Habana is no longer on the form he once enjoyed. He should stick to outsurance adverts. Why is he suddenly sucking so bad? I also think that the top teams can read him very easily and as a result, play him into a useless little corner.

9: Pienaar brings nothing. Sorry - he just fails to impress me.

8: This is a problem like 11 just worse. Spies on form is phenomenal. Off form, he remains at least as good as Ryan. I would be tempted to go with Kankowski only if he can bring something new but I doubt that.
 
GreGorGy said:
11: Agreed - Habana is no longer on the form he once enjoyed. He should stick to outsurance adverts. Why is he suddenly sucking so bad? I also think that the top teams can read him very easily and as a result, play him into a useless little corner.

9: Pienaar brings nothing. Sorry - he just fails to impress me.

8: This is a problem like 11 just worse. Spies on form is phenomenal. Off form, he remains at least as good as Ryan. I would be tempted to go with Kankowski only if he can bring something new but I doubt that.
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I have never liked Habana, the way he breaks the defensive line to run for the intercept try has cost his teams more tries than those he scored. Yes, there is the odd 1 or 2 games where he plays brilliantly but 90% of the time he sucks donkey balls. However, he can be a match winner that 10% of the time ;)

Pienaar is a great utility back ot have on the bench, nothing more nothing less. He is in no way a great flyhalf or a scrumhalf. But he is good at both.

Spies will always be better than Kankowski, but I would rather have both in my team than have to choose one or the other
 
Pitbull said:
I have never liked Habana, the way he breaks the defensive line to run for the intercept try has cost his teams more tries than those he scored. Yes, there is the odd 1 or 2 games where he plays brilliantly but 90% of the time he sucks donkey balls. However, he can be a match winner that 10% of the time ;)

Pienaar is a great utility back ot have on the bench, nothing more nothing less. He is in no way a great flyhalf or a scrumhalf. But he is good at both.

Spies will always be better than Kankowski, but I would rather have both in my team than have to choose one or the other
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agreed, Habana sucks, he should be dropped and maybe it will scare him and then he wil get his old form back

Pienaar is an okay player, but nothing brilliant, I’d pick him above Januarie, but as far as utility backs are concerned, I’d pick Francious Hpugaard, he covers Scrumhalf, centre and wing and with Lambie that can cover fullback and flyhalf, we can easily made a 5 - 2 bench, imagine having a bench like this :

16.J.Smith (hooker and both prop positions)
17.D.Kuun (hooker and flank)
18.BJ.Botha
19.D.Roussouw (lock, flank and nr8)
20.F.van der Merwe (lock and flank)
21.F.Hougaard (Scrumhalf, Wing and centre)
22.P.Lambie (Fullback, Flyhalf)

and even if 3 of the back line players gets hurt, you can move Spies to wing

we have got allot of young talent is SA, i cant see us having any problems in the future
 
To be honest i dont think the back line is the problem, although they can be one or to changes for the better. Habana is out of form.
The forwards just seem so tired.
I am a big fan of all the senior players, Smit, Matfield, Burger. But really they not doing there job.

So bring in some fresh legs, young energy.
Keep those senior players, but lets breed in some new blood.
 
Pitbull said:
.......... Pienaar is a great utility back ot have on the bench, nothing more nothing less. He is in no way a great flyhalf or a scrumhalf. But he is good at both.
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Agreed, unless you are a Sir.
 
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