Whites 'advantaged' blacks

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Whites 'advantaged' blacks

Sep 27 2005 05:44:03:160PM

Pretoria - Black South Africans were better off for the arrival of whites in the country, white farmers' union TAU SA said on Tuesday.

"South Africa's blacks were advantaged because of the presence of whites, not disadvantaged," it said in a statement lamenting the impact of transformation on the commercial farming sector.

"They (blacks) can live decent lives thanks to the people whom their government wishes to destroy through affirmative action, farm harassment and heavy taxation."

Reiterating calls for "immediate interaction" with the government, the group cited numerous examples of African failures under black rule.

The imposition of Western "civilisation" on the continent allowed it to flourish, with cities built mostly by Western colonialists, it claimed.

"After the wave of 'independence' which swept through the continent in the sixties, seventies and even the eighties, black Africa declined, spectacularly so. In many areas it has regressed to what it was before whites came."

The union claims a country-wide membership of 6 000 white commercial farmers.

South Africa, it claimed, was the only country in sub-Saharan Africa to flourish.

"And everybody knows this is because of the presence of four-million-odd whites. This is a fact."

According to the statement, farmers were at the end of their tether.

It cited a memorandum presented at a recent Pretoria conference of the TAU by a group of farmers - mooting a struggle similar to that waged by the African National Congress if their fears were not addressed.

"This thinly-veiled reference to the tactics employed by the ANC to gain power in South Africa gives some insight into the level of frustration and anger building up within the white farming community," the statement said.

[MikeNoble]

OMG, are they being serious? White people (the colonialists) raped africa, full stop. And yes I am white.

[Drusky]

Looks like it was give and take to me "give and rape" to you. A civilization still in the Iron-age was given a kickstart wrt technology ie medicine, mechanization, the wheel. The technolgically advanced guys walked off with a whack of mineral wealth BUT hey they were organized enough to mine it.

Question is would the Original inhabitants of the land (probably actually the San or Khoi-San) prefer to still be living in the stone/iron-age not having technology to mine the minerals taken by those damn colonialist rapists. Or let's put it this way.

In my city, the local mayor stated that he would like to remove the ugly monuments put up by past colonialists (among them i think a statue of queen vic holding the globe) as they remind him of the wretched past. Sure they do but then why stop there. He should get rid of the fancy western car he drives and shun that armani suit and tie he's wearing. Rip out the evil colonialist infrastructure like roads and indoor plumbing. One could go on...

[AcidRaZor]

MikeNoble, I tend to agree with this statement.

(also remember, I'm not talking about ONLY black people, but the "indeginous" (sp?) people)

Its a known fact that black people did not farm the land, they did not mine. They did have some sort of an economy, but mostly did things (and if they could choose, would still do things) like their ancestors did.

They would still be nomadic (even though the "standlopers" weren't as much)

The only thing that kept their populations in check (which we don't have nowadays) is huge wars. The zulu people pride themselves on their body and image and believed that they should conquer all "weaker" tribes and keep the beautiful women for them etc.

I may be a bit off here because this is what I was taught and what I've seen on tv a long time ago.

Colonists (the english) might be mocked for their "correct way" of doing things (gentlemans way etc etc even their wars are boring! ) but you can't argue the fact that they instantiated a culture of "gentleman like" things and put South Africa on the map where it is now.

As far as I know, the black people never had the inclination to explore the world, or go on a ship to a foreign country to collect spices. they're the ultimate "chill" culture (and the poor cape tonians get the flack! sheesh!)

Then again, you can learn alot from the way they do things

It is a couple of hundred years AFTER the fact. This whole thing is not about rasicm or apartheid anymore, its getting to the point where they are driving the "white man" out of this country.

Hell, this is the only country I know, the only country I've been brought up in, the only country (for as long as my family stretches) we've known. We ARE thusfore the indeginous people.

One word to sum up government, greed. period.

[AcidRaZor]

In fact, I think the reason why their people never explored much or went from the iron age (as someone put it) is because they feared their g0ds or something. like the tokolosh

[pupa]

OMG, are they being serious? White people (the colonialists) raped africa, full stop. And yes I am white.

If it was rape now it is Gang Raping LOL ..............
I'am also white and respect Mandella

The point is that the countries declined AFTER the rule were handed over. I pray it would not happen here. Africa is not a good example. But then again some of us is everlasting optimists

[AcidRaZor]

I prefer not to pass judgement based entirely on text on the net that doesn't even have an author's name attached - especially with issues concerning race etc - it is all too easy for statements to be taken out of context and moulded into something totally different, but I will say that the tone of the quoted statements
[e.g. use of words that highlight & create division "They" and "blacks" instead of say 'black people' - we are all people regardless of skin colour]
does leave me with the impression that TAU SA has not come to terms with the new SA, I do however think it must be very difficult to run a farm these days, but maybe TAU SA should reflect on how old SA their statements sound [assuming they were not misquoted]...

If I wanted to write for a newspaper, or be politically correct, I'll go do that when I have the time to write something in the correct way.

I'd even use the proper grammar and spelling and look up my words.

I am NOT a word smith and I don't care

If I sounded racist, it's because I am, but I'm against white people too. there's a thing I call respect. Respect for others and their individual property. If you show me disrespect, I'll call you a <censored /> regardless of your skin colour.

Period dot com forward slash, that is how it is and will always be

[bb_matt]

The questions ?

What does mining do to the environment ?
What does our modern civilisation do to the environment ?
Who were enslaved to build much of the African infrastructure designed and planned by white colonialists ?

It's foolhardy to paint these complex issues with such a large brush and so few colours.

The reality is far more complex.

For instance, the white colonialists really did rip Africa into shreds, creating borders, enslaving black people, teaching them the wicked ways of the west and then they buggered off, leaving Africa in a shambles.

We'll never know what much of sub-saharan africa was like before the white man arrived as the history isn't well documented and many of the people lived a nomadic existance. Slave trade also blighted africa long before the whites arrived, the persians for instance.

It's a big picture and a big dark continent with many secrets.

These farmers are being very silly with these bold statements.

[MikeNoble]

Dont get me wrong, most of the stuff the government is doing now is really short sighted, i just wish they could understand more of what they were doing, but they dont seem to be. Yes there were some (small) positives among all the "taking" from the arrival of the white man, but no one can claim these were the intentions of the colonial powers, I just cant believe what the WHITE farmers group is claiming, it really is silly and sad that they actually believe that.

[MikeNoble]

Who were enslaved to build much of the African infrastructure designed and planned by white colonialists ?

Good point, who are the majority STILL "enslaved", surely not those white farmers, as bb_matt said it really is a complex issue!

[kingmonty]

comfortably waits for tibby's comments....

[AcidRaZor]

i like jello

[antowan]

OMG, are they being serious? White people (the colonialists) raped africa, full stop. And yes I am white.

Not the ones who settled. You have to distinguish between settlers and colonists.

The one came to live the other to advantage the motherland.

[Ekhaatvensters]

What they say is unfortuanetly rather true, but it is obvious that they take a rather racist stance on the whole issue.

However I disagree with the way that they put down an "African" way of life (I am also white), but saying that blacks can now live decent lives thanks to the work of whites, as if Africans cant live decently and that is a priviledge reserved for whites. This is going to cause upset among many people, especially as this is a white farmers organization, pretty tipical racist, Boer stereotype that they will just be pushing more and more with African people.

[MikeNoble]

Not the ones who settled. You have to distinguish between settlers and colonists.

The one came to live the other to advantage the motherland.

I duno, pure opinion on my side, i would have assumed the settlers would have come here to make a better life for THEMSELVES, so to me it's still take take take. As i say just my opinion, imagine how cool it would be if the former colonial powers finally acknowledged their mistake and sorted out africa (i know easier said than done), but wouldnt that be nice. We can all dream.