E-toll to cost R200 on average: SANRAL

Current govt is bankrupt.. They are going to use the cash to prop up the reserve bank
 
Mine's going to cost 0, so I guess some other chump is going to be paying R400
 
You people in Joburg are lucky! You can just ignore them. In Cape Town they're going to blockade the road ...
 
That's R200 too much

And R200 more than we are currently paying. Why are we paying income tax, vehicle license fees and fuel tax? To pay for the roads. Why do we need to pay again?
 
Anyone remember the story of the farmers who barricaded the toll roads at Mooi River, years ago when that first came up? Same scene will repeat itself, minimal for 1st year escalating wildly out of control once public has gotten used to it. Those tolls should have never been allowed to be erected - ever since Guvamunt has gotten bolder & greedier!
 
no wonder. you people in gauteng voted in anc and thats what you get. hopefully you grow some brains before next years elections.
 
You people in Joburg are lucky! You can just ignore them. In Cape Town they're going to blockade the road ...

Hey get your priorities straight man....you have to first oust the DA so you can buy your alcohol after 6pm....don't stress about all this "life" stuff.
 
While I do not agree to current tolling methods, governments are trying to figure out ways to get funding for roads as the existing methods do not take into account the increasing risk factors to raise the capital to do road maintanance. My opinion with regard to funding any sort of government projects is that it should come from the fiscus and normal income tax.

The user pay principle is flawed when it comes to services that the government should provide through current taxation such as education, health, police, defence, and an adequate transport network, public transport, etc. If they really want to implement the user pays philosophy, they should do this across all government spending and not selectively. I do not have kids so I want my tax that goes to education refunded, I have private medical aid so refund me the portion that goes to public health, I have armed response and hardly make use of the SAPS so I should be able to get some of what's going towards SAPS refunded, etc.

A fuel levy will not work as more cars are becoming more fuel efficient. I have also seen a few courier company vehicles that use LPG and normal fuel. How are they going to recover money from electric cars as these are becoming more affordable. This goes for the RAF as well that gets its funding through a fuel levy. An adequate road network is a responsibility of government to provide and funding for new roads should come through raising capital on the bond market by issuing government bonds and the maintenance of existing roads and RAF funding should come from the existing income tax as the fuel levy will reduce as alternative energy sources are found to power vehicles.

Another option would be to use the vehicle licencing system when renewing your licence. I have seen on my licence renewal form a space for the odometer reading but never filled this in. A formula could be worked out that it would cost Rx/km based on the classification of the vehicle. This would be open to abuse as people can change the odometer on their car.
 
If they factor in us upstanding citizens without etags who will pay R0,then I can believe the average will come down from the R550 cap to about R200 for the sellouts.
 
If they factor in us upstanding citizens without etags who will pay R0,then I can believe the average will come down from the R550 cap to about R200 for the sellouts.

i was thinking the same thing. if you do the math, about 900000 people will pay R550/m and 1.6million will pay R0.
 
Please stop publishing Sanral's propaganda.
This is a lie. The stats have been fiddled with, guaranteed.

+1

At the very least get the opposing side of the story. MyBB could have approached OUTA/Cosatu/DA or practically anyone.

This is all part of their Big Brother strategy; try and force this crap onto us.

This was today's lie; yesterday's was that 600,000 e-tags (corruption tokens) have been sold. This is nonsense; everytime I saw the e-tag booth anywhere these was not a single customer in it.

SANRAL’s claim that there have been 600,000 tags signed up is misleading, as we know they have given most of these to the fleet management and government fleet organisations. We estimate that less than 60,000 of Gauteng’s 3,5 million motorists have purchased an eTag.

Source:OUTA


Why should anyone believe a word that SANRAL says they had documents redacted and the full scope of the deal with an Austrian company is still shrouded in secrecy. This is like the arms deal. The looting continues.


OUTA NOT FAZED BY SANRAL’s eTOLL LAUNCH ANNOUNCEMENT
Posted on April 12, 2013

OUTA is not surprised or fazed by SANRAL’s announcement to launch their Gauteng Freeway eToll plans. “We’ve heard it all before,” says Wayne Duvenage, Chairperson of OUTA. It has been seven months since the Constitutional Court set aside the initial interdict to allow Sanral to start tolling, something they claimed they could and would do within two weeks of a ruling in their favour, citing the urgent need to generate revenue and the negative impact the delay was having on their credit ratings. OUTA maintains that Sanral have never been ready to launch eTolling to this day, which is actually some two years after the initial launch date announcement for April 2011. “We wonder what the real reasons are that is taking them so long.”



Society should also not be fooled by Sanral’s claims of 78% of the average motorists paying below R100 per month. Averages can be very deceiving. The daily commuter travelling between Tshwane and Johannesburg, or East and West Rand will be paying well over R300 per month. We also expect SANRAL to announce lower eToll tariffs and reduced maximum monthly limits, along with other initiatives to entice Gauteng road users to get tagged and buy into their plan to tax motorists for the use of freeways. The issue here is the exorbitant and unnecessary collection cost, which is anything between R1,5bn and R1,7bn per annum, following the ETC contract awarded at R8,4bn for the first 5 years to operate the collection system. The public also knows that the tariffs of today are not necessarily the tariffs of tomorrow.



It is also very wrong for Sanral to state that OUTA’s legal challenge to halt eTolling is of no consequence. The Constitutional Court ruling in September 2012 was related only to the temporary interdict and was outside the result of the review, which will now be heard in the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bloemfontein during the latter part of the year. When one contemplates the gross neglect of the public engagement process required by our constitution, combined with the irrationality and inefficiency of their plan, we remain adamant that our case remains strong and very defendable in court. Should Sanral forge ahead regardless, the legal sword hangs over their plans and this should most certainly be of serious concern to them.



SANRAL’s claim that there have been 600,000 tags signed up is misleading, as we know they have given most of these to the fleet management and government fleet organisations. We estimate that less than 60,000 of Gauteng’s 3,5 million motorists have purchased an eTag. The public engagement sessions held in November last year also sent a clear message of rejection to the authorities on their eToll plans. Our enquiries about tag sales at some of their customer sales centres, has revealed dismal sales of less than a handful of tags a week.



Michael Tatalias of the Southern Africa Tourism Services Association (SATSA) expresses that “It is society’s lack of trust and their outright rejection of the eToll plan that is Sanral’s biggest hurdle, due to the lack of transparency, the high costs and the sheer irrationality of the plan which has clearly not been implemented in the best interest of society. Successful tolling systems around the world are those which have low administration costs (below 10% of the revenue) and which have an extremely high level of support and backing by the public. Coupled with societies rejection of eTolls are problems and challenges related to the enforcement mechanism through the criminal procedures act (CPA), which will have immense ramifications for the courts and judicial process when people simply do not subscribe to the system”.
 
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So at least R500 million a month in revenue?

WTF are they going to use it for?

That's a lot of money to take away from people and business.

Enatis shows 3,78m active vehicles in Gauteng, so it's in fact three quartes of a billion a month. Which equates to 1.33% of the entire Gauteng GDP each and every month, being wiped off for the sake of paying back for a money collection system. That's just one single project. Remember that at least 60% of the project cost goes to financing the collection system and not the road upgrades...
 
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/respectful snip

MBUF is a pretty optimal recovery mechanism. How does one fairly generate tax revenue across the board? It's far easier to maintain an MBUF system in the long run, from an operational perspective and more efficient. However the current implementation of e-tolling is a complete cock-up, from absolutely every possible point...
 
In order to prevent economic recession in Gauteng due to e-tolls, and assuming 100% productivity and 3,78m contributors of which only 70% use the e-toll roads, every employed road user in Gauteng has to work on average an additional 29 minutes and 31 seconds every day from now on, in order to pay for e-tolling, in the absolute best case scenario, in a perfect economy where time=money (which is doesn't necessarily). This excludes any potential growth in the province as well - a province that contributes more than a third of the entire country's GDP. Assuming that time does not equal money for 50% of the applicable group, we can calculate that in all likelihood, this number is closer to an hour each and every day.

So, all Gauteng road users will have to work at least an additional 59 minutes and 1 second every day to ensure that Gauteng doesn't slip into a recession. All because of e-tolling! Or put another way, every business in the entire province has to become 12.3% more efficient/profitable (read: 12.3% increase - hello inflation!), and no business can close down in the province for the foreseeable future, in order to finance e-tolling.

Well done SANRAL, and well done government, for completely fscking over the country yet again...
 
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