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SA Rugby defends the team selection
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The_Techie
Resident Techie
Maybe if Francois Steyn had just kept his eyes on the ball for the last few minutes... 
Butch was off due to an injury... Injury cause by fatigue and constant play? I mean our guys played hard rugby the entire S14 and now all of a sudden 9 injuries? Surely this is an indication just how worn they are?
killadoob
Honorary Master
Maybe if Francois Steyn had just kept his eyes on the ball for the last few minutes...
funny last week he was hero this week he is zero lol shame poor kid, he made a few mistake's but the mistake was putting him in the position he was put
Dont blame him at all, mad at him like hell, but cannot blame him. I do blame the selectors....Willemse!! Two matches in a row, willemse has almost fumbled every ball going he's way, and yet he stays in the team. One of the tries of the NZ team, started because willemse fumbled the ball and could not keep it, dropped it, they picked it up and scored
maverick
Well-Known Member
You sure it was Willemse? The rocokoko try? I think it was Pietersen that failed to gather the chargedown. Willemse has not been playing to badly his defense is not bad very capable under the high ball (needed with percy as our fullback) except on one occasion when he knocked on from an up and under.
Arrgghhh sorry man, I meant Pietersen, my bad *kicks myself*
I have a question about this for anyone who knows the rules (MeilieSpoor?)
When this happened it was from a kick and the ball traveled about 10m and hit Wilemse/Pieterson who knocked it on (The ref indicated a knock on so it was not a charge down at all). A NZ player in the right place at the right time picked the ball up straight away.
My question is he did not retreat 10m (as he was in front of the kicker) and immediately played the ball. Is that not offsides? When does a player need to retreat 10m and when is it that a player can touch a ball and put his opposition team back on-sides?
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Considering that the ball was deemed to be 'knocked on' does this not then signal general play and all previous offside lines are reset.
Had the Bok not played it then the Kiwi would have to fall back and / or wait to be played 'onside' by the kicker or someone else that was behind the kicker, I fink
The Aussies and to a lesser extent, the Kiwis are moaning about a watered down side now, what will be their response when next year , if the SARU demons have their way, there are 10 forced quota players in the starting 15
Had the Bok not played it then the Kiwi would have to fall back and / or wait to be played 'onside' by the kicker or someone else that was behind the kicker, I fink
The Aussies and to a lesser extent, the Kiwis are moaning about a watered down side now, what will be their response when next year , if the SARU demons have their way, there are 10 forced quota players in the starting 15
MielieSpoor
Expert Member
This was indeed a charge down and not a knock on.
The offside law in this case can be quite confusing! The All Black player was not off-side when he played the ball and thus the referee ordered play to continue.
An off-side player can only be put onside under the following conditions:
- By the actions of a team mate
- By himself (retreating to behind an on-side team mate) if within the 10 metre radius MUST attemt to move back!
- By the opposition
As soon as the All Black player kicked the ball, all his teammates infront of him was off-side untill of of the following happened:
- He was being put onside by a team mate that was onside at the kick
- He fell back to behind a player that was onside and if within the 10 metre radius - toward his own goalline.
- An action by the opposition
If it is an action by the opposition, a few things can happen to put off-side players of the kickers team onside again:
- Opposition runs 5 meters with the ball
- Opposition passes or kicks the ball
- Opposition player receiving the ball touches the ball with intent to play(eg knock-on, knock back...)
The last point means that if I receive the ball and I drop it, then I elected to play and play continues - All off-side player of kickers team are now on-side.
If a team kicks the ball, the 10 metre law comes into play. Under the 10 metre law a player can only be put on-side by and act of his own (moving back to behind his offside line and out of the 10 metre area - he MUST make an effort to retreat, he doesn't need to actually retreat!) or by an action from a team mate. A player off-side under the 10 metre law cannot be put on-side by an action from the opposition.
Back to the original situation. The All Blacks kicked the ball ahead. There were a AB player infront of the kicker and within the 10 metre radius so he can only be put onside buy his team mates or by self retreating to behind an onside team mate.
However, in this case, the ball was charged down by the opposition. When a kick get charged down, all off-side lines fall away and any player can play the ball from any direction - hence the term general play. This can be confusing as the opposition didn't elect to play the ball but rather prevent a kick.
This is the reason why a flyhalf stand well in his goal area when kicking the ball. If it gets charged down, a try get scored most of the times.
Its long but hope you understand
I was curious about this and actually emailed a friend who pointed me to the sareferee.co.za website where this incident was disected. In fact I had the players wrong but in my understanding I was also correct (to a point
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ShaunSA
Derailment Squad
I would like to think the same decision would have been made to rest them. White did suggest this even before the clash.