What to do with my - IECNS & IECS License

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I have a iecs&iecs (ICASA Telecom) license but due to changes in my business i DONT need this license.
Willing to sell the license.
email me your imput on what i should do with this license.
mike2call at gmail dot com
 
Roman4604 said:
Can't you sell the comany/legal entity that the license was issued to?
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I believe that you can do that but you might still need to pay ICASA fees to 'update their records' or some such nonsense.

But yes - you can't transfer licenses. You can only sell the entire business with a license.
 
As far as I understand, the new licenses include a clause about major shareholder changes. Basically a license is not a sell able item.

I advise you read the fine print of the license you have, and speek to a lawyer who knows about the licenses such a Ellipsis!
 
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you can sell the licences, either by themselves or as part of the sale of a business which holds them

there is a specific application to be made to ICASA and the deal cannot be completed until ICASA has approved it. unbelievably ICASA require R50k per licence for the pleasure of applying the maximum degree of inefficiency to processing the application
 
Dont sell it just yet

Dont sell it just yet, i am trying to establish some way of trying to get ZAIN to enter the mobile sector. If it works you could end up with a small shareholding in ZAIN sa


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I went in personaly today to ICASA to see what is the status of these licenses. (i just relised the value of my license - ANY OFFERS over R1m :)

This is 3 things that i was told.
1. NO NEW licenses - that means if you dont already have IECNS OR IECS you will not be able to get one unless you purchase from a "current " holder or buy out a company that holds the license

2. Transfer of license is - R100000

3. Vodacom, MTN, CELLC, Telkom etc has the same license & is valued at 100 million Rand
 
As far as I'm aware the reasons are as follows:

1) The IECNS/IECS licenses are incredibly expensive, as infogeek indicated, they are in the region of millions of rands.

2) These were awarded to all existing VANS due to the recent legal battle by Alcatel and co. whereby it was determined that VANS were able to self provide and therefore should have the larger licenses that allow it vs. the smaller ones that do not.

3) This does NOT apply to any NEW ISP's coming onto the market however, they can *only* receive the smaller in scope licenses, meaning they cannot self provide.

4) The larger licenses can ONLY be obtained should the company in question be "invited" (by the DoC minister if memory serves) to apply for one.

5) Here comes the kicker. These larger licenses are very expensive to renew, therefore many old VANS holders (especially smaller players) who now have these larger licenses are likely to not be able to afford the renewal cost, or will just not see sense in renewing more expensive licenses they couldn't use anyway, and will therefore downgrade, moving to the smaller, and more affordable, license. At this point they will lose the ability to self provide.

6) For many providers this doesn't change things for them, these smaller licenses do not prevent them from being able to roll out their own networks, but rather limits them from being able to provide their OWN self-laid infrastructure, such as fiber, copper or wireless (instead requiring they purchase this infrastructure from a license holder) - for many of those providers this was WAY beyond their budget anyway.
 
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infogeek said:
I went in personaly today to ICASA to see what is the status of these licenses. (i just relised the value of my license - ANY OFFERS over R1m :)

This is 3 things that i was told.
1. NO NEW licenses - that means if you dont already have IECNS OR IECS you will not be able to get one unless you purchase from a "current " holder or buy out a company that holds the license

2. Transfer of license is - R100000

3. Vodacom, MTN, CELLC, Telkom etc has the same license & is valued at 100 million Rand
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re 2. - it is R50 000 per licence

re 3. - Neotel were required to pay R100 million for their licence but as far as i know - given the fact that these licences are no longer scarce - they will not be required to pay this full amount
 
warichard said:
As far as I'm aware the reasons are as follows:

1) The IECNS/IECS licenses are incredibly expensive, as infogeek indicated, they are in the region of millions of rands.

2) These were awarded to all existing VANS due to the recent legal battle by Alcatel and co. whereby it was determined that VANS were able to self provide and therefore should have the larger licenses that allow it vs. the smaller ones that do not.

3) This does NOT apply to any NEW ISP's coming onto the market however, they can *only* receive the smaller in scope licenses, meaning they cannot self provide.

4) The larger licenses can ONLY be obtained should the company in question be "invited" (by the DoC minister if memory serves) to apply for one.

5) Here comes the kicker. These larger licenses are very expensive to renew, therefore many old VANS holders (especially smaller players) who now have these larger licenses are likely to not be able to afford the renewal cost, or will just not see sense in renewing more expensive licenses they couldn't use anyway, and will therefore downgrade, moving to the smaller, and more affordable, license. At this point they will lose the ability to self provide.

6) For many providers this doesn't change things for them, these smaller licenses do not prevent them from being able to roll out their own networks, but rather limits them from being able to provide their OWN self-laid infrastructure, such as fiber, copper or wireless (instead requiring they purchase this infrastructure from a license holder) - for many of those providers this was WAY beyond their budget anyway.
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re 1) - nobody has a clear idea of the value at this time...there have been sales from R200k upwards

re 3) - the "smaller" class ECNS licences do allow the holder to self-provide but over a smaller geographic area
Individual ECNS = you can operate a national or provincial network
Class ECNS = you can operate a network of district municipality scope

re 4) - correct. there needs to be a policy direction from the Minister before more IECNS and IECS licences can be applied for. this is highly unlikely

re 5) - as per above it is not really about the ability to self-provide

part of the difficulty of putting a value to these is that 543 IECNS and IECS licences were issued - nobody knows how many of the IECNS licences are actually being used at this time or how many are on the market

where it gets interesting is that each of those IECNS licences requires the holder to commence providing services authorised by the licence within 12 months of the licence being granted, failing which ICASA can require the licence to be surrendered. ICASA has indicated they will be pursuing this towards the beginning of next year and at this stage i would imagine that the number of licences for sale will increase dramatically and therefore the value will come down
 
warwickw said:
You can't sell it, new licenses are not transferable.
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1) According to which court ruling, anything anybody says can be challenged in court.

2) Lee-ways are controlled by council , if you bring council a piece of paper that Icasa says isn't valid but council says is valid - then what? If council still allows you to cut roads, setup infrastructure because as far as they are concerned you had some "license thingy" sometime somewhere ........ then for all intents and purposes you have a license.
 
oooo and wifybabycakes wades in with his opinion....

oh and btw, our resident REAL legal expert has correct the selling issue...

Oh and the municipality may let you cut up the roads to put in infrastructure, but its still illegal to operate the network you build unless you have a license from ICASA.. welcome to the real world wifybabycakes...
 
Do I need a license

Plz tell me will i need a license to do voip ?

this is what im doing...
Im a reseller of a company from overseas (basically i purchase minutes & they give me a billing where i can create acct numbers / pins)
i purchased JHB Access "virtual" numbers that are also setup on the billing.
> so this is how it works... a caller calls the access number and then he is asked to enter a pin/acct number, then asked to enter the number he is calling (basically this is how the calls are connected)
Now what i have done is - generated many pins and printed these pins on cards. these cards are sold at stores.
>>> basically i dont have any netwrok or anything like that, im just a reseller of an overseas company.... DO I need a license to sell

I was told that anybody doing any type of communication has to ahve a license unless they are reselling for a LICENSED south African company

I am also selling normal VOIP accts

Do i need a license ?
 
INFOGEEK

Do you still have the licenses and are you still willing to sell?
 
Is the license really that much worth? What about the thing on January 19 2009...? Apparently if you haven't used your IECNS license the why it should be used it'll be withdrawn...That is what concurns me...:erm:
 
morneokennedy said:
Is the license really that much worth? What about the thing on January 19 2009...? Apparently if you haven't used your IECNS license the why it should be used it'll be withdrawn...That is what concurns me...:erm:
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We were using the license but as you see it the lead thread - Nature of business has changed so now we dont need to opperate with these licenses.
so there is NO question of "it will be withdrawn"

Regarding the value of the license - there has already been sales of licenses from R400 000 upwards & the more people understand the value of this license the more valuble it will be come
 
I just bought a license for R10k. I-ECS and I-ECNS. Where do you guys come up with this ridiculous amounts?

Icasa will ask for applications for licenses again soon, but the terms may include more than 75% black ownership.

I believe licenses were sold for this ridiculous amounts before the conversion process that shed 400+ licenses in the market.
Just scout around, it will take you less than 2 weeks to get a liquidated company or someone that does not need a license.
 
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4OOK FOR LICENSE IS CRAZY,DREAM ON.
YOU GET PENALIZED IF YOUR NOT BEE COME TIME FOR RENEWAL,I WOULD RATHER PARTNER WITH SOMEBODY AND GIVE THEM RIGHTS ON LICENSE .
 
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