Policeman thrown off Mango - How humiliating!

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Travellers thrown off Mango flight

August 27, 2007

Wendy Knowler

It's not pleasant to have to share cramped aircraft space with disorderly, foul-mouthed passengers, and for the safety and sanity of the rest of us, they ought to evicted before take-off.

But who decides whether someone is behaving atrociously enough to warrant calling in the police to escort them off the plane? The captain.

But as he's cocooned up front in the cockpit, it's the cabin crew who tell him who needs ejecting.

On August 19 on Mango Airlines' Joburg to Durban Flight JE 283, one cabin attendant saw to it that two men were escorted from the plane, both of whom spent a very uncomfortable night at OR Tambo airport before flying home the next morning.

I'll call her by her initials for now - AN - as Mango has not confirmed her identity to me.

So what was their "crime"?

It apparently began with Durban software developer Sean Pearce saying "crapairline.com" loudly as he sat in aisle seat 19D.

Pearce says the remark was prompted by the fact that the Mango flight he'd taken to Joburg two nights earlier had been delayed and items were stolen from his luggage. Flight JE 283 was also delayed.

"She (AN) was furious. She accused me of being abusive and told me she was going to get me thrown off the plane," he said.

"Then she shoved my elbow on the armrest - I shoved back - and started trying to barge her way up the aisle."

The man who had a boarding pass for seat 18C, the aisle seat diagonally across from Pearce, was Imraan Franks.

He was among those standing in the aisle at the time to allow a couple to take the window and middle seats next to his.

"Suddenly, from behind, someone grabbed my right shoulder and pushed me, hard," he said.

"It was the stewardess, saying something like: 'Move, I need to get past!' She was very rude and aggressive.

"I said: 'Hold on, I'm just waiting for these people to take their seats,' and then she threatened to get me thrown off the plane."

According to both Pearce and Franks - who had not met before, and who told me their stories separately last week - AN soon returned from the front of the plane with the cabin controller.

"He told me he would not tolerate anyone swearing at his crew, at which point I admitted I had used the word 'crap' and apologised," Pearce said.

Franks said he accused him of being rude to AN. "I very calmly tried to tell him what had really happened, but he was in no mood to listen."

Shortly afterwards both men were asked to surrender their boarding passes and then two police constables entered the plane and asked them to accompany them off it.

"I was led out of there like a common criminal - it was totally humiliating," said Franks.

The aircraft took off with the men's luggage and they spent the night in the airport terminal, Pearce trying to sleep on the Mango Airlines countertop - an image unlikely to feature in a Mango ad - and Franks wandering aimlessly about.

No charges were pressed.

The men found themselves sitting next to each other on Mango Airlines' 5am flight back to Durban the next morning.

"Can you believe it, AN was on the flight," Franks said.

"I avoided eye contact. There was no way I was going to risk being thrown off again."

Both men have made affidavits and complained directly to Mango, but at the time of writing, they hadn't had a response.

When they collected their luggage, both found that their bags had been "rifled" through, although nothing was missing.

What nobody on the plane knew at the time is that Franks is a police inspector with the detective branch at SAPS Chatsworth in Durban.

"I don't think it would have made any difference," he said.

"They had made their minds up and I didn't want (anyone) to think I was an arrogant policeman."

Pearce admits to having had three beers in an airport pub during his long wait to board the plane, but strongly denies being out of control or disorderly.

Franks says he doesn't drink alcohol at all.

What witnesses saw on Flight JE 283

Given Mango's complete denial of any wrongdoing on the part of AN and the cabin controller on Flight JE 283, ConsumerWatch went in search of more witnesses …

# Eric and Adrienne Barrett of Umhlanga were seated right next to Franks.

"He was standing up to let us get to our seats when that woman tried to push past him," said Adrienne Barrett.

"She was really rough and abrasive. So Mr Franks said: 'Hang on a minute', at which she took offence and stormed up the aisle."

Barrett said the cabin controller, who then appeared on the scene, was aggressive and refused to listen to Franks, who was calmly trying to explain what had happened.

By this time, both AN and the controller had removed their badges and refused to reveal their names, she said.

"I told them their behaviour was outrageous, and that he (Franks) had done nothing wrong, but I was threatened with eviction as well.

"At no point did the controller ask for the passengers' side of the story, or attempt to resolve the situation."

As for Mango's claim that fellow passengers had welcomed the removal of the men, Barrett said she found that hard to believe.

"I only heard people protesting at their treatment - it was totally uncalled for.

"Yes, the other guy (Pearce) may have been a bit stroppy at first, but he quickly apologised for what he'd said. It should have ended there."

# Ruben Masondo, a Joburg businessman, was seated in 18D - across the aisle from Franks and directly in front of Pearce.

"I was also standing up, blocking the aisle, when she (AN) came pushing through," he said.

"The person who was rude was her, not him (Franks)."

He also spoke of the controller's refusal to listen to Franks' side of the story, and, like Barrett, he believes that fellow passengers were anything but happy to see the men ejected.

"When the pilot came over the PA to apologise for the delay and blame it on the 'disruptive' passengers, some passengers shouted: 'No, it wasn't them, it was your staff!' "

# Wayne Cammidge was in seat 19E, right next to Pearce.

He recalls Pearce saying "www.crap-air.com" and says AN said she would not tolerate that type of language on her plane.

Franks had "not stepped out of line in the slightest", he said. "He was completely rational, respectful, correct and tolerant."

He said the controller's handling of the situation was "atrocious".

"He was too aggressive, without compassion for any of the customers."

Passengers in the area were "very angry" at the treatment dished out, especially towards Franks, he said.

# Gregory Buchler was seated in 17A, the row in front of Franks. He wrote: "Flight JE 283 from Joburg to Durban was a disgrace.

"The plane was already delayed and a further delay was caused through the action of AN bumping into the passengers."

He said the crew members involved had "no skills in human relations".

"Disciplinary action should be taken against all relevant parties. That was my last flight with Mango."

Crew called police as final resort, says airline

I e-mailed the airline's PRO a summary of Pearce and Franks' account of the events, along with the e-mails of two passengers who were seated close to the two men.

Both witnesses had independently volunteered their statements, expressing their horror at the treatment meted out to the two men.

In response, I received a statement saying: "The fact that as a final resort the crew had to call the police to remove the disruptive persons from the aircraft indicates the level to which the negative behaviour had escalated.

"While the first step is always to resolve any eventuality through dialogue with individuals, Mango will not hesitate to call on the SAPS should such behaviour continue unabated."

Mango claims to have received statements from other passengers from that flight, praising the cabin crew for their "speedy, efficient resolution of an unpleasant incident on board, due to the behaviour of the two individuals".

No details about the "disruptive behaviour" or "unpleasant incident" were provided.

From the accounts of the evicted passengers and the four witnesses in the immediate area, it would appear that Mango's "guests" were swiftly reclassified as "disruptive persons" through a perceived slight to a cabin controller and evicted solely on her version of events.

If this is true, the crew members in question have much to gain from a customer-service refresher course.

But that doesn't seem likely, given that the airline's official response doesn't even suggest further investigation.

http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4002997
 
Where does it say it was a policeman thrown off the plane? It seems to me that if was some software developer?
 
and a policeman.

"Shortly afterwards both men were asked to surrender their boarding passes"

Sounds bad though...
 
Pathetic indeed. I'll look out for this "AN" when I fly Mango next time. Maybe I'll even take a tape recorder with me, just in case
 
One of the reasons I've never flown with Mango - and never will. You get what you pay for.
 
"Then she shoved my elbow on the armrest - I shoved back - and started trying to barge her way up the aisle."

"Suddenly, from behind, someone grabbed my right shoulder and pushed me, hard," he said.
"It was the stewardess, saying something like: 'Move, I need to get past!' She was very rude and aggressive.

Shortly afterwards both men were asked to surrender their boarding passes and then two police constables entered the plane and asked them to accompany them off it.

Freedom of speech issues aside, seems like they could both made a case of assault right there? This was clearly not an airline safety issue, so surely the police constables would've had to arrest AN too, given all the witnesses?
 
I've never flown mango for precisely this type of reasn, and like Gunny says you can actually fly cheaper on SAA fairly often if you're a lil bit flexible in your schedule and do your homework.
 
stewardess's and steward's they think they are telkom above the law
 
I have to wonder if Mango has "AN" and her controller on 'employees of the month' posters already - considering the disdain Mango appears to have for its passengers.

LOL:D
 
ic : afaik you are correct, that they are simply a rebranded SAA. But I've sometimes found SAA to be R50 cheaper than any of the "budget" airlines. Don't know how to explain it but hey I'm not complaining. Vaguely decent service and sometimes acceptable food on a flight is kinda nice :D
 
:confused: I was under the impression that the Mango-pip airline is simply a re-branded offshoot of SAA with allegedly less creature comforts - although hard to imagine a scaled-down version of SAA's economy class...:sick:

I have to wonder if Mango has "AN" and her controller on 'employees of the month' posters already - considering the disdain Mango appears to have for its passengers.

Like every other SA company then.
 
If you do your homework you can fly SAA for almost the same price as the "cheap" airlines sometimes even cheaper.

Not that it would make any difference, would it? Mango = cheap-ass SAA, isn't it? SAA's crew is just as rude and unprofessional.

My experience with SAA:

Every single domestic flight I've been on has been delayed, with no reason given and passengers kept in the dark. No apologies either. On some occasions I found out afterward that "technical reasons" were to blame, but not always.

On every flight with SAA, my luggage got damaged. Two incidents stand out. One was a brand new suitcase, that had an *aluminium* frame. After just one flight, the frame had snapped in one place. No idea how they managed that - I'm surprised nothing in my suitcase was broken. The other was an extremely sturdy wooden instrument case that has, on a previous occasion, survived, with no structural damage and only slight cosmetic damage, being in my car's boot when a guy in a Nissan Hardbody rear-ended me hard enough to write off my car completely. This case didn't survive an SAA flight, despite the "fragile" stickers and my hand-checking it at the gate.

On every flight the crew was unprofessional, impolite, and had no clue how to handle difficult passengers (i.e. didn't care, ignored). I was on a flight to Europe, behind me were three very drunk guys, who wouldn't shut up and kept bumping our seatbacks. The crew did nothing, despite our repeated complaints.

BTW, at the time of the above flight I was 18 years old. On both this flight and the return flight, the crew treated us like children who had no right to be on an airplane and how dare we ask for another drink?

Compared to a trip to Europe four years earlier on Austrian Airlines, where an extremely professional and pleasant crew treated us (we were 30 or so schoolboys) like any other paying customer. Stark contrast.

SAA/Mango could take a page out of JetBlue's book. They had an incident in January/February where a plane was stuck in a blizzard on a runway - the passengers were stranded in the plane for nine hours. After this JetBlue sent out a letter, not just to those passengers, but to their *entire* client base, admitting that their handling of the situation was pathetic, apologised profusely, and explained what they plan to do about it. I have flown with them. They were really professional. And as a bonus their economy class had more legroom and wider (leather) seats than any other economy class I've been in. If it wasn't for $99 that I paid for a 4 hour flight (which Continental and American Airlines charged around $400 for) I wouldn't have known they're a low cost airline.
 
Speaking of JetBlue

I still had the mail! I received this about a week after the incident I described above. I wasn't a passenger in that week, but only just - missed it with about two weeks. Here's the letter

Dear JetBlue Customers,

We are sorry and embarrassed. But most of all, we are deeply sorry.

Last week was the worst operational week in JetBlue's seven year history. Following the severe winter ice storm in the Northeast, we subjected our customers to unacceptable delays, flight cancellations, lost baggage, and other major inconveniences. The storm disrupted the movement of aircraft, and, more importantly, disrupted the movement of JetBlue's pilot and inflight crewmembers who were depending on those planes to get them to the airports where they were scheduled to serve you. With the busy President's Day weekend upon us, rebooking opportunities were scarce and hold times at 1-800-JETBLUE were unacceptably long or not even available, further hindering our recovery efforts.

Words cannot express how truly sorry we are for the anxiety, frustration and inconvenience that we caused. This is especially saddening because JetBlue was founded on the promise of bringing humanity back to air travel and making the experience of flying happier and easier for everyone who chooses to fly with us. We know we failed to deliver on this promise last week.

We are committed to you, our valued customers, and are taking immediate corrective steps to regain your confidence in us. We have begun putting a comprehensive plan in place to provide better and more timely information to you, more tools and resources for our crewmembers and improved procedures for handling operational difficulties in the future. We are confident, as a result of these actions, that JetBlue will emerge as a more reliable and even more customer responsive airline than ever before.

Most importantly, we have published the JetBlue Airways Customer Bill of Rights — our official commitment to you of how we will handle operational interruptions going forward—including details of compensation. I have a video message[link no longer valid] to share with you about this industry leading action.

You deserved better—a lot better—from us last week. Nothing is more important than regaining your trust and all of us here hope you will give us the opportunity to welcome you onboard again soon and provide you the positive JetBlue Experience you have come to expect from us.

Sincerely,

David Neeleman
Founder and CEO
JetBlue Airways

This was followed by rather large compensation payouts to the passengers, and from what I hear, improvements to their already excellent service.

SAA/Mango - that's how it's done!
 
I'll avoid Mango

After flying from Joburg to Cape Town and back with Mango and 1Time, I vowed I would rather pay a R100 more and fly with 1Time airline (see comparison of 1Time and Mango).

As far as the full service airlines go, SAA may sometimes have relatively cheaper seats but BA provides better service.
 
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