Cellphone masts: health debate continues

Gnome said:
Ask yourself: Would you want to live next to a transmission tower?

To me, the answer is no. I'm sure many others feel the same.

So in that regard I sympathise with these people and hope they set a legal precedent.

Radiation exposure is very subtle since the effects can only be measured over a period of 10s of years. I certainly wouldn't want to be the guinea pig.
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Terrific argument. You don't want to do something just because. Therefore the stupid cow is right and you support her. And then make a blatantly false statement to top it all off.

And you get to apply the same kind of logic to your vote...
 
jannievanzyl said:
There is a huge difference between the 40's and today.

It's this little thing called the 'Internet' and the unlimited power it gives people to distribute information without repercussion. If governments and agencies like the NSA cannot keep secrets anymore, do you really think something like this can be suppressed for more than 20 years? With thousands of studies going on around the globe?
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Yes there are big differences but corporate greed is even more pervasive than before. Not saying that there are something to hide but your argument that just because we are in 2013 things are more transparent carries no weight.

Companies have become even more adapt at hiding things and or swinging the media their way. A good example is the oil leak fiasco with BP. It took years before the true facts were known as they were suppressed and or skewed. There are still facts coming to the surface even today, years later.

So internet or no internet, if you want to hide something you can still do so.

In regards to the NSA not being able to hide their activities, they have managed quite well for the pass 14 odd years before it now became public knowledge.
 
DJ... said:
That must go down as one of the worst possible supporting citations I've ever seen. NaturalNews? Really? The same bunch of HIV denialists, meditation cures cancer ponces, Microsoft develops influenza morons etc? Please read up about Mike Adams before quoting Natural News as a source of anything other than hilarity...
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Age old problem we see on this forum. People do a quick Google and post the first few links that comes up WITHOUT actually reading them. :) in this case Beri posted two links that actually reference the same underlying article and claims. And did not bother to do a b of fact checking.

But the author of the article does recommend you use a shielded Ethernet cable on your WiFi router to reduce the amount of WiFi radiation so I guess he's an expert.

And, as with most of these articles, he makes wild claims on the illnesses caused by cell phones (he lists quite a few) but then forget to give his references. Likely because they do not exist.
 
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high five on the dihydrogen monoxide . I had my whole group of friends and family up in arms / tears when I reveled in facebook that I have been exposed quoting one of these great sites which list the dangers of this gas . < Keep in mind I do work at a chemical plant > Lolol

Well I live in direct line of site from a Cell C tower and the health dangers from it the past three weeks was amazing . There have been cables theft in the village so they connected up a generator , even after the power to the village was restored the gennie is still running . Health effect : serious annoyance at night , krrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr goes the diesel . I guess the people contracted on the gennie just shuts up and make bucks , common Cell C wake up . Yes I did call them , the person on the tower helpdesk was of no use
 
MKFrost said:
Yes there are big differences but corporate greed is even more pervasive than before. Not saying that there are something to hide but your argument that just because we are in 2013 things are more transparent carries no weight.

Companies have become even more adapt at hiding things and or swinging the media their way. A good example is the oil leak fiasco with BP. It took years before the true facts were known as they were suppressed and or skewed. There are still facts coming to the surface even today, years later.

So internet or no internet, if you want to hide something you can still do so.

In regards to the NSA not being able to hide their activities, they have managed quite well for the pass 14 odd years before it now became public knowledge.
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And how long have we had cell phones and cell phone research?

How many different institutions in how many different countries are doing research?
 
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DJ... said:
That must go down as one of the worst possible supporting citations I've ever seen. NaturalNews? Really? The same bunch of HIV denialists, meditation cures cancer ponces, Microsoft develops influenza morons etc? Please read up about Mike Adams before quoting Natural News as a source of anything other than hilarity...
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I do not see you comming up with anything better. Time te get your head out of the sand. Your opinion is not the only one that counts
 
jannievanzyl said:
Age old problem we see on this forum. People do a quick Google and post the first few links that comes up WITHOUT actually reading them. :) in this case Beri posted two links that actually reference the same underlying article and claims. And did not bother to do a b of fact checking.

But the author of the article does recommend you use a shielded Ethernet cable on your WiFi router to reduce the amount of WiFi radiation so I guess he's an expert.

And, as with most of these articles, he makes wild claims on the illnesses caused by cell phones (he lists quite a few) but then forget to give his references. Likely because they do not exist.
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Yes the old problem with you is that you think you are the only one that can read. You are the only person that knows everything. Yes we get it. Master yoda
 
Beri said:
Yes the old problem with you is that you think you are the only one that can read. You are the only person that knows everything. Yes we get it. Master yoda
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Did I hit a nerve there, pointing out you did not actually read the links you posted?

Or, if you did read them, that you did not spend a minute actually analyzing what was written and just blindly accepted what you read on the Internet?
 
Beri said:
Yes the old problem with you is that you think you are the only one that can read. You are the only person that knows everything. Yes we get it. Master yoda
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I'm curious, how many research papers have you read?

Can you also explain how the curl of an electric field is related to a magnetic field?
 
Beri said:
I do not see you comming up with anything better. Time te get your head out of the sand. Your opinion is not the only one that counts
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This is a scientific subject and you should not be swayed by 'opinions', however easy it is to just accept that because someone wrote an article on the Internet, making some outlandish claims, that it must be true.

The studies are all published. Why don't you read them rather? That way no-one can BS you.
 
Beri said:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cellphones

Jannie here is another one i did not read. Because there is no pictures. Maybe you could read it for us.
Lots of experts in it......;)
But as you can see nobody really knows.
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Funny you should say so. From your own link:
Although there have been some concerns that radiofrequency energy from cell phones held closely to the head may affect the brain and other tissues, to date there is no evidence from studies of cells, animals, or humans that radiofrequency energy can cause cancer.
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Can I suggest you read Section 4 in your own link?
 
2012 said:
I'm curious, how many research papers have you read?

Can you also explain how the curl of an electric field is related to a magnetic field?
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In fact i have read many. We have had the argument before. Do you really think that we have all the answers. Just go and read the link i just posted. The experts cannot agree on the point. Years of studies with no proof either way.
You say were is the proof that it cause cancer. And i say were is the proof that it does not.
But jannie will argue that nobody can read.
 
Beri said:
In fact i have read many. We have had the argument before. Do you really think that we have all the answers. Just go and read the link i just posted. The experts cannot agree on the point. Years of studies with no proof either way.
You say were is the proof that it cause cancer. And i say were is the proof that it does not.
But jannie will argue that nobody can read.
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Still waiting for that explaination of curl and magnetic fields.
 
Beri said:
Mmm good for you. Now go read the rest. Maybe go looks to the bottom of the page.....hint
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I did read the whole article. Did you?

The bottom of the page carries the references. As any proper article should. You should read them. ;)
 
Beri said:
Go read the article first.
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Section 4:
It is generally accepted that damage to DNA is necessary for cancer to develop. However, radiofrequency energy, unlike ionizing radiation, does not cause DNA damage in cells, and it has not been found to cause cancer in animals
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The results of these studies have generally not provided clear evidence of a relationship between cell phone use and cancer

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The analyses found no association between cell phone use and the incidence of glioma, meningioma, or acoustic neuroma, even among people who had been cell phone subscribers for 13 or more years


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tudies of workers exposed to radiofrequency energy have shown no evidence of increased risk of brain tumors among U.S. Navy electronics technicians, aviation technicians, or fire control technicians, those working in an electromagnetic pulse test program, plastic-ware workers, cellular phone manufacturing workers, or Navy personnel with a high probability of exposure to radar
 
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