Discovery Vitality 2020

[JV_011_]

Why the 5th one? I was told the the extra that you get for achieving all three goals will only be from next week?

1 extra for achieving all three goals this week, thats 4 plus 1 for points conversion.

 

[beefymoocow]

The new numbers for Vitality rewards are massively reduced, there are a lot of people suggesting that the rewards are somewhat similar given that the new system now gives you a 100 discovery miles as a bonus when you earn the reward on top of game spin and that there is now potentially and extra play for players who score all 3 circles in a week. But the following needs to be taken into consideration when calculations for equivalency, when all is taken into consideration the new reward system is really reduced to a fraction of the previous benefit.

First mis-representation of values occurs in the value associated with previous benefits due to the new cost of the cheapest reward, on the old system purchasing the coffee or the popcorn cost 25 reward points, the new cost of this same reward is now 150 miles, this is misleading many users to think that 25 reward points equals 150 miles (or 1 vitality reward point = 6 miles.) When looking at the broader picture and all the other reward tiers equate to 1 vitality point in fact equals 10 miles. So you lost about 40% of your value in the conversion.

Or more simply put (coffee's aside) 1 vitality point used to be worth approximately R1 which is now the value associated with 10 miles.

So now looking at what this translated to earnings on the game board.

Best case scenario works for those earning all 3 rings as they get the extra play the numbers are even worse for those who don't have access to all three.

Assuming you got all three rings then you would get a bonus 300 miles (R30)
Game board values are between 50 and 100 miles (R5-R10) on (4 plays the maximum possible is 100 + 90 + 85 + 80 = 365 or R36.50) (minimum reward is 50 + 50 + 50 + 55 = 205 or R20.50

Therefore your earning on the game system will be somewhere between: R50.50 and R66.50 per week.

On the old system with only 3 plays you used to get a minimum of R75 and a maximum of R250.

If you only ever spend your points on coffees then you would your would be earning slightly better on the low end your new point value would be worth R84.16 and your maximum would be worth R110.83 comparatively.

And none of this takes into account the value of diamonds which have also gone away and where potentially worth an awful lot more.

Like I said in my previous post. Vitality only members will get screwed the most. If you have multiple products with discovery it becomes less but you will probably benefit from extras benefits from their other products.

They are reducing the benefit in vitality and spreading it across to their other products. Soon you will get up to 15% boost from your retirement monthly contributions. And 2% per annum on your lump sums. For me I expect to get an extra 750 bucks per month.

Yes my vitality active reward benefit has decreased. But on a net basis I’m still better off than I was 6 months ago.

 

[CranialBlaze]

The new numbers for Vitality rewards are massively reduced, there are a lot of people suggesting that the rewards are somewhat similar given that the new system now gives you a 100 discovery miles as a bonus when you earn the reward on top of game spin and that there is now potentially and extra play for players who score all 3 circles in a week. But the following needs to be taken into consideration when calculations for equivalency, when all is taken into consideration the new reward system is really reduced to a fraction of the previous benefit.

First mis-representation of values occurs in the value associated with previous benefits due to the new cost of the cheapest reward, on the old system purchasing the coffee or the popcorn cost 25 reward points, the new cost of this same reward is now 150 miles, this is misleading many users to think that 25 reward points equals 150 miles (or 1 vitality reward point = 6 miles.) When looking at the broader picture and all the other reward tiers equate to 1 vitality point in fact equals 10 miles. So you lost about 40% of your value in the conversion.

Or more simply put (coffee's aside) 1 vitality point used to be worth approximately R1 which is now the value associated with 10 miles.

So now looking at what this translated to earnings on the game board.

Best case scenario works for those earning all 3 rings as they get the extra play the numbers are even worse for those who don't have access to all three.

Assuming you got all three rings then you would get a bonus 300 miles (R30)
Game board values are between 50 and 100 miles (R5-R10) on (4 plays the maximum possible is 100 + 90 + 85 + 80 = 365 or R36.50) (minimum reward is 50 + 50 + 50 + 55 = 205 or R20.50

Therefore your earning on the game system will be somewhere between: R50.50 and R66.50 per week.

On the old system with only 3 plays you used to get a minimum of R75 and a maximum of R250.

If you only ever spend your points on coffees then you would your would be earning slightly better on the low end your new point value would be worth R84.16 and your maximum would be worth R110.83 comparatively.

And none of this takes into account the value of diamonds which have also gone away and where potentially worth an awful lot more.

Mistake in your math, the largest reward on the board is 300, not 100, there is also a 200 and a 250,not sure if anything in between.

Your still correct value has greatly reduced and based on screenshot I have seen 100 is more commonly the max, but it's not the true max.

 

[Jacada]

I had one spin and got 85 DM. The so-called 100 DM's for getting the goal is MIA. Where am I supposed to see that?

 

[ros_b]

I had one spin and got 85 DM. The so-called 100 DM's for getting the goal is MIA. Where am I supposed to see that?

Yeah, I got 2 plays - one for reaching my health goal and I guess the second for converting more than 100 old points to DMs. But definitely no extra 100 for reaching my health goal.

 

[binloud]

Mistake in your math, the largest reward on the board is 200, not 100, there is also a 200 and a 250,not sure if anything in between.

Your still correct value has greatly reduced and based on screenshot I have seen 100 is more commonly the max, but it's not the true max.

Yeah I posted earlier I got 300, 75 and 70 this morning, so guessing 300 is the true max.

 

[SaiyanZ]

Yeah I posted earlier I got 300, 75 and 70 this morning, so guessing 300 is the true max.

Based on the boards I've seen here, the range looks related to how many Discovery products you have from Health, Bank and Drive. I assume you have all?

 

[binloud]

Based on the boards I've seen here, the range looks related to how many Discovery products you have from Health, Bank and Drive. I assume you have all?

Yeah I have all 3, attached are my plays.

 

[StephenLydall]

Mistake in your math, the largest reward on the board is 200, not 100, there is also a 200 and a 250,not sure if anything in between.

Your still correct value has greatly reduced and based on screenshot I have seen 100 is more commonly the max, but it's not the true max.

I guess we will have to wait and see how it plays out on a week to week system, based on the screen shot above it would seem that the 100 point tile was substituted with a 300 point one, why that is the case on that board only repeat plays will help to figure out.

Even with that said, it doesn't really move the brackets all that much, assuming 300 points is then the max, but only 1 tile can be over 100? would be very different to any tile potentially being over 100. So if for example there was a chance to get 300 + 200 + 250 + 100, then the mechanism for an extra play would be meaningful. The question will remain, how likely are you to get a tile on your board above 100 points and how many could there be. Having a 1 in 10 chance of there being a 300 point tile on the board diminishes the average value of the tile significantly. You have to both have the tile present on your board as well as having at best a 4 in 20 chance of selecting it on the day at best. Considering that the overall value of a tile being an extra R20 it's not very inspiring.

Now if there was an outside chance of the tile being 1000 points well then that's another story...

I suppose we will have to see what happens. While I understand that this is being spun in a way to benefit the synergized package, it's a bit disingenuous of Discovery to say it's a big positive fro the average client.

 

[Jchan11hk]

I only have medical and vitality, but my board have a max of 300DM, I only got 100DM thou

 

[Nom Chompsky]

Mistake in your math, the largest reward on the board is 300, not 100, there is also a 200 and a 250,not sure if anything in between.

Your still correct value has greatly reduced and based on screenshot I have seen 100 is more commonly the max, but it's not the true max.

My max was 100 - only have 1 Discovery product (Vitality, with medical aid). No banking or insure.

 

[VBot]

Yeah, I got 2 plays - one for reaching my health goal and I guess the second for converting more than 100 old points to DMs. But definitely no extra 100 for reaching my health goal.

Nope, it definitely depends on the number of Discovery products you have. I only have Health/Vitality and my maximum was 175.

 

[Gtx Gaming]

My max was 300, I have all 3 products.

 

[StephenLydall]

Nope, it definitely depends on the number of Discovery products you have. I only have Health/Vitality and my maximum was 175.

I am somewhat skeptical about that hypothesis. Definitely is a very strong claim to make at this point unless you have some kind of access to data/information that most people don't?

 

[VBot]

I am somewhat skeptical about that hypothesis. Definitely is a very strong claim to make at this point unless you have some kind of access to data/information that most people don't?

Boohoo, sure definitely was the wrong adverb to use, but very few people would jump onto someone's back on a forum and then scream for proof/data/information just to prove a point.

Early evidence suggests the board you play depends on the number of Discovery products you have...happy? ffs

 

[StephenLydall]

Boohoo, sure definitely was the wrong adverb to use, but very few people would jump onto someone's back on a forum and then scream for proof/data/information just to prove a point.

Early evidence suggests the board you play depends on the number of Discovery products you have...happy? ffs

Not trying to be particular specifically but using the word definitely implies an authority in what is being said so really just trying to clarify if you genuinely have some knowledge that supports it, so not trying to call you out, sorry you took it that way. Being articulate simply removes ambiguity and does not need to be conflated with aggression or shouting.

Honestly tho there has been no data I've read here that suggests that the max is based on the number of products, merely data that doesn't disprove that hypothesis, although a response a few posts up, if accurate, would rule out the hypothesis altogether.

 

[Tinuva]

I have health+vitality+lifeinsurance and my maximum was 100? I doubt the # of products is the reason.
What I DO suspect, is that I have been very inactive the last 6 months, so much so, that my health target is 300 points a week, so I bet that has something to do with me only have an up to 100 on the board.

 

[Nom Chompsky]

My mom only has Vitality...had 300 on her board so there is no pattern

 

[StephenLydall]

I have health+vitality+lifeinsurance and my maximum was 100? I doubt the # of products is the reason.
What I DO suspect, is that I have been very inactive the last 6 months, so much so, that my health target is 300 points a week, so I bet that has something to do with me only have an up to 100 on the board.

Interesting Hypothesis.

I have health+vitality+home&car insurance. My maximum was 100. I get both my fitness and drive goals basically every single week, excepting this last week where I didn't drive 100km because work week was unusually quiet and I live 4km from work. So only had 1 play... dunno if that's got anything to do with it.

Personally I am working on the theory of a wild card tile, (or potentially multiple tiles) that could by chance have a higher value. Meaning that getting the higher value tile is simply a case of chance. The data set is currently so small it's really hard to see any real patterns yet.

I really am interested to figure out how this works seeing that last year between my wife and I, we earned over R10 000 in vitality rewards between us means it was a significant benefit. This year though it will likely be a lot closer to R3 500 if we are lucky...

 

[fruitbat]

You forgetting 100 miles for obtaining the goal. So it's still equivalent as the old system for coffee.

Not understanding? I got 50miles from a single spin. Where is this “bonus” 100miles that you speak of coming from?