Are you satisfied with your Crystal Web account?


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Currently getting 80Kb/sec.

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Actually it's an issue we acknowledged for some customers (in particular you and I spoke directly about this) and tomorrow I am pushing more changes for this. It's only an issue for a few customers and we'll be resolving it, but that resolution will not see full speed downloads in peak periods, as discussed. Unfortunately your requirements are that downloads run at blazing speeds at all times of day which will prove to be an issue with your usage patterns, as you need access to full speed or close to it at, whenever you need it.

I don't understand the reference to the other ISP though (if it's as you accused us last time, because we shape downloads in peak, then I'm afraid that's simply the nature of consumer uncapped accounts for all ISPs, and there are more suitable alternatives if you require full line speed or close to it on download protocols in peak periods).
 
Seems to me that you're having the same issues I am. Downloads and regular browsing aren't running at full speed or even bursting for me and streaming from Youtube has been pretty sucky most times of the day that I try watch anything. The only thing that does run at full line speed are torrents and Netflix and that's not exactly what I need during work hours.

Downloads, no. Browsing - never, ever touched by any shaping. Streaming is equally not touched by shaping. If you see browsing and streaming issues on your connection then something else is afoot here.
 
The above test of 25Kb/sec was done at 2015-02-19_21-59-13

21:59 which is hardly peak period....????
 
Downloads, no. Browsing - never, ever touched by any shaping. Streaming is equally not touched by shaping. If you see browsing and streaming issues on your connection then something else is afoot here.

It would be great if it was my line, but it isn't. A test account that support gave to me had no issues with anything I had on hand to test and I had zero buffering issues with Youtube during the day, which is a constant annoyance right now on the account that I pay for. Trust me, I'm not imagining this.

Today a 50Mb Steam client update crawled at 48Kb/s average. I watched the flags I set up in Performance Monitor just now show me that download speeds from Windows Update ranged between 600Kb/s to 2.6Mb/s - never staying at the high speed for more than 5 seconds and never averaging out either.

Router power cycling, resets, DNS flushes, DNS changes, firewall changes, OS and browser changes, router swaps - nothing I do changes the experience. Only switching to that capped account that I got from support gives me the kind of internet I had before 10 Feb. This is why I'm patiently waiting for the promised fixes that may alleviate my issues.
 
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Wow!
This uncapped account is going to win the Disappointment of the Year award 2015, for me.
Average download speed from 01:00 - 05:00 was about 600kbps. 05:10 - 06:30 was basically line speed - 4Mbps and from there back to 600kbps.
Usenet files came down at 64KB/s.

I had to format my pc the other day and I had to revert to a Telkom uncapped account to download drivers and updates. I got full line speed downloads using Http downloads.
 
Are the capped accounts all being automatically cancelled at the end of this month?
 
Its now about 8:30 and we should be beginning the peak time when shaping begins. Just to illustrate that my account is definitely affected by something that is not line or exchange-related:

My paid-for CW account testing this video:

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After enabling and disabling the account in the router, some performance returns, but it peaks pretty quickly and drops from there back to sub-1Mb/s speeds.

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Playing the same video on the unaffected CW account after rebooting my PC and PPPoE into the account (to avoid any caching):

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And Web Africa testing for good measure (Afrihost account is capped out):

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Browsing internationally is also affected, though gaming is unaffected by any of these issues.
 
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Thanks for the data there Cataclysm. I've pushed some changes this morning that should see performance increase for the few customers who had some issues.

We're also going to revisit a few things with regards to the way the traffic is handled for these accounts over the next few days. For the sake of transparency, which we have always provided: The primary issue we've identified is that there are a few customers who simply leave torrents and nntp (and other large downloads) running all day and night, each day. So every time we increase capacity and make config changes, these customers simply fill the pipes back up again and don't allow contentions to drop at all. (Average contention in Western Cape by the way is less than 10:1) Oddly enough, 85% of these customers are in the Western Cape which is where customers are being affected by slower download speeds. So ultimately it may be necessary for us to implement some measures to curb this sort of usage behaviour but how this is implemented we're still deciding on. We've never been a fan of punitive measures and star ratings, so we have a few ideas to consider to avoid implementing these. So far our method of encouraging customers to schedule these downloads has proved a little fruitless. If by and large everyone scheduled large downloads (with only the odd day-time download here and there) we could solve the problem today together with the help of customers (we have set a precedent for open communication in this respect to really encourage everyone to help us, help you, essentially).

To give you an example, some customers currently have 90% full line utilisation this month. A further example is that we increased CPT capacity by more than 25% recently - had zero impact at all. We did so again this morning. It's not really feasible to continue increasing capacity each time at the substantial cost of raw IPC and internet breakout. One has to balance the "wants" of customers with the sustainability of the network and business. We also don't consider customers with these requirements as abusers in any way - in our minds you're simply on the wrong account for your needs (those needs being day-time peak speeds on download protocols). The other thing to consider is that for many years peak was considered 8am to 5pm due to business hours - since the introduction of Netflix and similar services, this peak has been extended considerable and even increased until around 22:00 at night and occasionally longer. Business hours no longer define peak periods on a network.

One of the considerations here is we're contemplating an altogether new model of peak and off peak times. While others see midnight onwards as off-peak, we may redefine this on our network a little to extend this period out, to encourage more usage therein (to avoid being punitive at all). We may also rather than punitive throttling measures, introduce a download priority rating instead - if you're downloading the earth in peak periods, your downloads only may take lower priority than others to ensure that the capacity is shared properly, while avoiding shaping on all other protocols and the horrible throttling which we're not a fan of. The other introduction coming is the option to burst your speeds for a set time for important files that need to be downloaded in peak periods. And there are a few other cool options available to avoid being completely punitive here.

The website is also taking on a complete revamp with the introduction of all of our new products. Capped for example is available now if you talk to support, starting at 40 Gigs, and we're giving away free night-time data as well with these. We've also split this capacity separately, so uncapped and capped no longer "theoretically" share the same bandwidth. New uncapped products are also being released, with the introduction of an entry-level account to minimise the barriers to entry on the network (but will be subjected to a star rating type system) and a premium unshaped uncapped service as well. Ensuring that we have the right product range for all needs will also go a long way in ensuring that the capacity is utilised 100% without having to be too punitive as well.

It would be good to hear some constructive feedback on this from you guys as we've always encouraged this prior to making changes. And I should note that since the introduction of the new network, we've had a 78% reduction in support tickets and chats, so by and large everyone is very happy with the current setup and how the network is operating. We also find that most customers are more than happy that downloads in peak are shaped (we've allocated separate capacity for these downloads as well now, to give them better speeds in times of contention on the network) but we also need to ensure that in off peak these download 100%, which I know in the Cape isn't where it should be right now and our new changes will hopefully rectify this to a large degree.

Hope this helps somewhat to explain transparently from our side a little, and to assist in some informed debate on the topic if need be. If you look at where we were just a few weeks back, with streaming, downloading, VPN and gaming (and even browsing on the odd occasion) all having troubles to where we are now with the network performing optimally on gaming, streaming, downloads etc. (bar a few issues here and there on downloads), we're very chuffed - now it's simply a case of ensuring that expectations match reality and the network maintains performance, as well as increasing the value to you guys along the way with better performance overall as the network continues to grow.
 
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The primary issue we've identified is that there are a few customers who simply leave torrents and nntp (and other large downloads) running all day and night, each day.

Maybe when I was a kid I had time to watch all the crap I downloaded but these days I don't, so why download stuff you're never going to watch? It amazes me the hoarding mentality some people have...
 
Thanks for the explanation of the plans on the table regarding shaping. I'm envious of those people who have full line speed 90% of the time.

The other introduction coming is the option to burst your speeds for a set time for important files that need to be downloaded in peak periods. And there are a few other cool options available to avoid being completely punitive here.

Does this mean that your promise of uncapped, unshaped internet as standard no longer applies? How long will the bursting period last? Is this something I'd have to pay for?
 
Does this mean that your promise of uncapped, unshaped internet as standard no longer applies? How long will the bursting period last? Is this something I'd have to pay for?

When we migrated from the Cybersmart network to Internet Solutions we revisited the unshaped allocation. Offering unshaped as standard, meant that when shaping applied thereafter (remember, any time of day) it was heavy to the point of it being unreasonable (in our eyes). Because of this, and due to the issues we experienced with performance, we in fact didn't activate the shaping for 3 months. It essentially meant http downloads would obtain between 1% and 10% of line speed, with nntp and p2p blocked except between midnight and 7am, and we couldn't change this shaping very easily whatsoever.

Moving to IS we took direct control over the network policies, and introduced dynamic shaping instead, making the overall experience far more pleasant no matter what your usage is. How this works is that latency sensitive protocols receive top priority on the network, with http downloads, second priority, and p2p and nntp 3rd priority. So when the network contends in peak, p2p and nntp are shaped, then if contention increases, http downloads feels the pinch. There are a few other mechanisms in place to secure capacity however for certain download traffic though. Technically this means that you should be able to download at all times of day and burst to line speed when needed. However in CPT we have an issue with a handful of high speed customers who see this as an opportunity to leave massive download queues running permanently, resulting in whatever spare capacity being constantly consumed no matter what you throw at it. While technically this is possible, it does result in the performance degrading on download protocols for everyone. Now we have thrown more capacity there (at a cost of a few thousand rand per Mbps) but it's just consumed immediately thereafter and speeds only increase somewhat across the board. Hence my post above highlighting why it's important that we keep a handle on this, and that subscribers do the same on their end. Until the input costs of provisioning bandwidth come down a fair whack, we're always left with the question of "who compromises?" The ISP or the end user? Ultimately if you want a sustainable business you need to creatively find solutions to help minimise the compromise an end user has to make, and that's what we're testing at the moment.
 
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I can understand that this is currently the pain in the neck you're dealing with, but it doesn't answer my question on how long the bursting may be set to and whether I'd have to pay for having downloads of less than 100Mb (pitiful for a 4Mb line) come in at full line speed.
 
I can understand that this is currently the pain in the neck you're dealing with, but it doesn't answer my question on how long the bursting may be set to and whether I'd have to pay for having downloads of less than 100Mb (pitiful for a 4Mb line) come in at full line speed.

Apologies about that. We're still testing the time-frames there, and no you won't pay for that, but naturally that means we will need to limit it over the course of a month.
 
Hmmmm.... I did warn you about the handful of users that could hurt you. Some of them belong to download clubs who then sell the DL'd data on a weekly basis. Most of them consume 1TB+ per month and seldom watch or use anything that they download.
 
Hmmmm.... I did warn you about the handful of users that could hurt you. Some of them belong to download clubs who then sell the DL'd data on a weekly basis. Most of them consume 1TB+ per month and seldom watch or use anything that they download.

indeed, what you didn't warn us is that they were all Cape based ...
and some seemingly odd abilities of some customers to avoid bottlenecks in the network infrastructure

What I just don't understand is the market to sell on downloaded data in the current market
 
Hmmmm.... I did warn you about the handful of users that could hurt you. Some of them belong to download clubs who then sell the DL'd data on a weekly basis. Most of them consume 1TB+ per month and seldom watch or use anything that they download.

I recall. We did however need to address the network issues of old as quickly as possible, so we deployed the core network policies as quickly as we could. We're still amazed at how well they work and really proud of all involved.

We do however need to ensure that the handful are not impacting on the majority as is currently the case (and as is the age old problem with dynamic shaping). By and large it's actually not that big of an impact, other than for the few customers routing over our Cape nodes who need download bandwidth in peak. All other traffic is largely unaffected no matter the time of day, but we also have a goal to get these speeds up as much as is financially feasible to do so.
 
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indeed, what you didn't warn us is that they were all Cape based ...
and some seemingly odd abilities of some customers to avoid bottlenecks in the network infrastructure

What I just don't understand is the market to sell on downloaded data in the current market

Will explain later. Currently exploring the 'Hague!
 
Is the portal completely blank in the tabs except for the opening text, for anyone else?
 
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