The Fiat Panda Thread

Fiat Panda (2017) Launch Review

Postman Pat's hatchback of choice has returned, replete with a brace of capable off-roader derivatives with heaps of go-anywhere attitude. Can the Panda's diversified line-up allow Fiat to increase its foothold at the budget end of the market?

What's new?

The Panda, 4x4 and Cross follow a similar formula as before. You get a vibrant city car that's fun to drive, but then, with the 4x4 versions, a sense of adventure and off-road capability for much less price than an actual off-roader. The newcomer's exterior styling suggests the Panda's a car that doesn't take itself too seriously (there are few aesthetic individualisation options available) and Fiat's quest to reduce emissions (a move in line with efforts by the global motor industry) sees a 2-cylinder 875 cc turbopetrol engine under the bonnet.

Can a 2-cylinder do the job?

Yes, it can. You either get a 63 kW/120 Nm engine or, in the top spec Cross, 66 kW/120 Nm. Those outputs are on par with the 3-cylinder engines it competes with in cars like the Renault Sandero and the Volkswagen Up!. The engine sounds quite rorty (in an entertaining way) and apart from peppy performance it delivers round town, there's reasonable power available out on the open road too; the early torque delivery courtesy of the petrol motor gives the Fiat reasonable overtaking capabilities.

The engine is mated with either a 5-speed manual (in the regular Panda) or a six-speed manual in the 4x4 and Cross models. Fuel efficiency is claimed to be the 2-cylinder's strong point with a claimed figure of between 4.1 and 4.9 L/100 km. Our trip of 200 km, which included some off-roading and steep climbing in the hills of Pietermaritzburg yielded a less-than-stellar 8.9 L/100 km, however. I ran a previous generation Panda for a couple years and averaged out at 5.9 L/100 km, so if you end up with more than that, you may feel hard done by.

The inside

Fiat has ensured that the Panda's cheeky exterior design cues are echoed inside the cabin. The finished product is full of squircles ("square circles"), oblong air vents and cubed surfaces. The door trim is made from a durable plastic, which, upon closer inspection, was found to sport countless P, A, N, D and A letters on its surface. The cabin isn't what you would call premium, but at least the panels are not scratchy or gaudy-looking. The lack of reach adjustment on the steering wheel makes the perfect driving position very difficult to find, though.

The passenger space, meanwhile, is cosy (as you'd expect from a city car), but it accommodated 4 adults with reasonable ease. What's more, the luggage bay is one of the biggest in its class (at 225 litres) and the rear seats can easily be folded down to provide no less than 870 litres of utility space.

In all but the entry-level Easy-spec Panda, a USB port and a smartphone cradle (at the top of the dash) are fitted. For those who choose to use their 'phones as in-car touchscreens, Fiat avails an app available that allows applications such as navigation, a fuel efficiency monitor and media playback.

Safety

It's a rarity in this segment to find a car with stability control, but the Panda comes standard with it as well as ABS and EBD. A compliment of at least 4 airbags can also be found in the cabin. A tyre pressure monitor is also standard across the range and all (but the Easy) have front and rear parking sensors. As with most Fiats, hill-hold is also standard on the Panda.

Pricing and warranty

Pricing is quite competitive (the range starts at R184 900) although the standard Panda may find it difficult going against stalwarts like the Toyota Aygo, plus the aforementioned Sandero and Up! The Panda does trump the competition with its 3-year/100 000 km warranty and 3-year/100 000 service plan, however.

Summary

Like with its predecessors, fun, nimble handling is still inherent to the Panda's platform. It's an eager city car; in fact, it's almost as if that deep exhaust note wills the driver to point and squirt the Fiat round town. The ride is surprisingly good for a short wheelbase car and it handled the pothole ridden roads around the sugar cane fields of KZN with aplomb.

A quick spin around an off-road course in the area proved that short wheelbase cars are the king of climbing. The 4x4 Panda has an automatic all-wheel drive system that sends power to the rear wheels when it deems necessary. The Cross model has selectable off-road modes and a hill descent control mode.

The centre diff can be locked and the rear diff is electronically controlled to provide traction where needed. The Panda popped up and over all in its path, maybe not with the grace of a Land Rover Discovery, but with relative ease. If you regard yourself an outdoor enthusiast who likes to traverse the bundu from time to time, the Fiat will probably exceed your expectations...

http://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/fiat-panda-2017-launch-review/43810/
 
DRIVEN: FIAT PANDA 0,9 TWINAIR LOUNGE

Downsizing is a contentious term in the motoring arena. Developing smaller engines and utilising forced-induction to extract more power has been at the forefront of manufacturers’ attempts to reduce carbon emissions.

However, recent reports coming out of Europe suggest that there may be a reversal of the trend as the current real-world fuel consumption figures of these smaller mills is somewhat higher than those achievable with larger engines.

Yet, there I was traversing KZN’s motorways always near the speed limit in a car that boasted just two cylinders fed by a little turbo, and displacing under 1,0-litre. Not once did the revised Fiat Panda fail to keep up with the flow of traffic, not even at the national speed limit; all the while emitting a novel soundtrack from its engine bay.

Refreshed and facelifted

Fiat South Africa has been launching new models with regularity this past year (along with the Giulia from sister brand Alfa Romeo), including the Fullback bakkie and Tipo. And, when you factor in the Panda, introduced this week, there is now a Fiat model for just about every buyer.

The revised Panda has the same compact proportions as before, with short overhangs front and rear making it ideal for crowded cities. Quirkiness abounds throughout the exterior and inside as well.

Range extension

On the occasion of the revised model’s launch, Fiat SA took the opportunity to expand the Panda range to four offerings. The A-segment contender essentially comes in two flavours: front-wheel drive and new four-wheel drive options.

There are two trim levels with each drivetrain variant. Easy and Lounge are the two options for two-wheel-drive models, with the all-wheel-drive derivatives labelled 4×4 and Cross (look out for a driving impression of the latter in the October issue of CAR magazine). All-wheel-drive versions boast different bumpers and roof rails along with extra cladding and decals along the flanks to help set them apart.

Funky interior

The cabin features a “rounded square” graphic for many of the trim items, such as the audio controls and gear shifter. Thankfully the “square” steering wheel has been replaced by a more traditional circular item with a flattened bottom.

Other changes to the interior include a new design and fabric type for the seats. The majority of plastics feel hard and are obviously made to a budget. The door cards have a textured surface on the upper edge and when you look really closely you’ll notice tiny P-A-N-D-A letters scattered in a geometric pattern.

Get connected

Fiat hasn’t bothered fitting a full-colour, large screen infotainment system; instead, the firm has developed an app, called Panda UConnect, that is available (for Android and iOS) on all except the entry-level Easy derivative.

UConnect features Bluetooth audio streaming, a dash-mounted USB charging point as well as voice recognition. Highlights of the app include a “find my car” feature as well as offering the ability to remotely check your fuel range or find the nearest Fiat dealer.

On the move

As mentioned above, all models are powered by the firm’s award-winning turbocharged parallel twin in two power levels. Front-wheel-drive variants boast five-speed manual transmissions and the all-wheel-drives are six-speeders.

The latter option offers a shorter first gear to make it more capable off-road. All bar the Cross boast 63 kW of peak power, with the range-topping variant gaining an additional 3 kW. Maximum torque is rated at 145 N.m from a lowly 1 900 r/min.

These figures may not seem like much, but they are more than adequate in a car that is suited to and, will in all likelihood, spend the majority of its life in the urban jungle.

Comfy enough

On the open road, the Panda displays decent ride quality, despite a relatively short wheelbase. Those plump tyres no doubt help create a ride quality that is more than acceptable for a car that runs on a torsion beam rear suspension set-up.

Not even rutted dirt tracks or pockmarked tar could upset the Panda’s composure. All in all, I’d rate the ride quality good for a city car. The slightly raised ride height was welcome on the dirt roads we used.

Summary

Fiat is constantly fighting an uphill battle when it comes to new car sales. Not only is the market as a whole taking strain, but the Italian automaker is trying to overcome issues relating to poor after-sales and poor resale values.

To help alleviate some of the burden of escalating new car prices, Fiat SA offers something it calls The Big Deal. This is an incentive plan to remove old vehicles from use and get buyers into new Fiat products. Customers will be offered up to a maximum of R40 000 by the dealership on receipt of a scrapping certificate for their old vehicle.

When you take into account the new Panda pricing, it means you can get into a brand new car for just about R150 000, and there are some pretty questionable rivals at that price point that the Panda easily trumps.

FAST FACTS

Model: Fiat Panda 0,9 TwinAir Lounge
Price: R199 900
Engine: 0,9-litre, twin, turbopetrol
Power: 63 kW @ 5 500 r/min
Torque: 145 N.m @ 1 900 r/min
0-100 km/h: 11,2 sec
Top Speed: 177 km/h
Fuel Consumption: 4,2 L/100 km
CO2: 99 g/km
Transmission: five-speed manual
Maintenance Plan: 3-year/100 000 km

http://www.carmag.co.za/driving_impression/driven-fiat-panda-09-twinair-lounge/

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Driven: Fiat's new Panda on a mission in SA

Everybody knows and loves the Panda bear, it may be large but it’s always remained cute and cuddly. Like the Asian bear, it's hard not to like Fiat's similarly named city car.

From the first generation launched in 1980, Fiat has sold more than 4.6-million units globally. The third generation was launched in 2013 but sadly, at least in South Africa, they seem to be as rare as their mammalian namesakes.

Fiat South Africa has decided to take steps to remedy the situation by updating the range, replacing the 1.2-litre 4-cylinder engine with Fiat’s 2011 World Engine of the Year, the little 900cc 2-cylinder twin-air turbo engine. With figures of 63kW/145Nm the little car can be hustled along quite easily. This engine has proven itself locally via the 500 city car range.

A 4x4 Panda!

Fiat SA has also expanded the range by adding two top-of-the-range variants both fitted with all-wheel drive. Yes, an A-segment hatchback that actually has 4x4 technology and capability. The off-road model has the distinction of being the cheapest new 4x4 listed on the SA market.

Before discussing the various features of the four derivatives in the range, Fiat Chrysler SA disclosed that by adopting the smaller unit, there is no import duty payable on vehicles with engines less than 1.0-litre. This has obviously resulted in very aggressive pricing of the range - starting from R189 900.

Across the range all models offer features such as Bluetooth UConnect radio with audio streaming, voice recognition, MP3 player, two USB ports and an Auxiliary port. In terms of space, the Panda offers 225 litres of boot space, expanding to 810 litres with the rear seat folded down.

On the Easy and Lounge versions 15" steel wheels are fitted as standard along with a 5-speed manual transmission. This proved very responsive on the open road run at the launch with the little turbo providing plenty of power up hills and a very smooth and easy shift.

Next up in the range are the two versions fitted with Fiat’s 4x4 system. The 4x4 offers the same engine but is mated to a 6-speed manual transmission. The Panda 4x4 rides on 15" alloy wheels with a ground clearance of 150mm and is fitted with specific bumpers with integrated skid plates, flared wheel arches and protective side mouldings to enable offroad adventures.

The all-wheel drive Panda 4x4 also has an Electronic Locking Differential (ELD) to maximise traction. Two new colours are offered on the Panda 4x4 and these include Sicilian Orange and Tuscany Green.

Inside, the Panda 4x4 is fitted with exclusive features to suit its character and these include a green fascia that frames the instruments and storage pockets, upholstery design in either green, beige or pumpkin with eco-leather details and front and rear door panels with eco-leather inserts. A high console over the central tunnel provides additional storage.

Panda Cross

At the top of the range comes the seriously funky but amazingly capable Panda Cross. The range-topper can be had with an optional Cross Plus Pack which gives the Panda a rugged look with skid plates and door protection panels in a silver ultrashine colour as well as alloy rims and red tow hooks.

The Panda Cross also has new light clusters, fog lamps and LED daytime running lights. From the side, flared wheel arches, side mouldings with a 'Cross' badge and roof rails add to the rugged appeal. 15" steel wheels with unique wheel covers are standard.

At the rear, a new bumper with underbody protection and a chrome tail pipe rounds off the look. The Cross has a ground clearance of 161mm.

A total of four airbags are fitted as standard along with ABS with EBD, ESP, Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC), Hill Holder, tyre pressure monitoring and ISOFIX child seat mounts.

On the launch, my partner and I grabbed a Cross version for the first section and whilst performance is similar to the Lounge model, you have to be careful with the closely-spaced gearbox until you are familiar with it. This is probably the only complaint I can level at this little car as it impressed by tackling the Killarney 4x4 course later that day.

With the Cross version also adding a 4x4 selector that allows the driver to pre-set either 4x4 mode, central diff-lock or even a hill-descent control feature simply at the twirl of a knob next to the gear lever. Using these modes I easily conquered the course which included river crossings, loose sand, mud, steep climbs and descents.

Overall, I am pretty sure that few of owners of these cars will ever venture off-road but I can doff my hat to Fiat's engineers for the peace of mind any buyer will have in the 4x4's ability to take on the outdoors.

The Panda Bear may still be on the brink of extinction but here’s hoping that the little Fiat can very soon be removed from any endangered list in SA, at very least.

Prices

Easy 0.9 5-speed 63kW - R184 990
LOUNGE 0.9 5-speed 63kW - R199 900
4X4 0.9 5-speed 63kW - R229 900
CROSS 4X4 0.9 6-speed 66kW - R249 900

http://www.wheels24.co.za/NewModels/driven-fiats-new-panda-on-a-mission-in-sa-20170825
 
up to a maximum of R40 000

And here we have a problem, reminds of Telkom's up to xxx Mb/s adsl, can't they commit to the exact figure?

When you take into account the new Panda pricing, it means you can get into a brand new car for just about R150 000, and there are some pretty questionable rivals at that price point that the Panda easily trumps.

This ^^ then becomes very questionable, even more than the questionable rivals.
 
Tested: Fiat Panda Cross has novelty value

Took long enough, but Fiat has finally ousted the old 1.2 petrol from the Panda range, and introduced the 2-cylinder TwinAir turbo engine that first became available overseas in 2011, and locally in the 500 last year.
The new motor accompanies a very mild facelift (this third generation Panda was first launched here in 2013), and while they were at it, Fiat SA used the opportunity to introduce this 4x4 Panda Cross for the first time in our market.

Like the previous generation Panda Climbing, this is a tiny Tonkatoy of a 4x4 with a relatively tiny price tag to match. At R249 900 the Cross is the third cheapest four-wheel drive in SA, only undercut by Mahindra’s Jeep-cloned Thar (R219 995) and the standard Panda 4x4 hatch (R229 900).

Don’t go looking for leather seats, fancy colour touchscreens or soft-touch anything at this price point. This is the very definition of cheap and cheerful motoring, and as with the three other Pandas in the range, the Cross is full of scratchy plastics, chintzy switchgear and easy to spot cost-cutting measures.

But, in typical Fiat fashion there’s a certain cuteness factor to counter the abundance of el-cheapo materials, and its able to pull off an acceptable level of quality even with its obvious shortcomings

There isn’t a single hard edge inside the cabin, with all buttons, vents, latches and surfaces rounded like child-safe Fisher-Price toys.

The cheeky vibe carries on outside too, where proud black mouldings, integrated spotlights and prominent skidplates combine in a rugged-looking but cartoon-like way. The Panda Cross’s pronounced stance may be comparable with other puffed-up hatches like VW’s Cross Up and Renault’s Sandero Stepway but it’s more functional here.

Ground clearance sits at 161mm (11 more than the regular hatch), and those Cross-specific bumpers allow steeper approach and departure angles - at 24 and 34 degrees respectively. Just like the offroad renowned Suzuki Jimny, its narrow wheelbase and track also mean it can scamper up and over obstacles a bigger SUV might get hung up on, and though I didn’t test it for obvious reasons, Fiat says it’ll cruise a sideways slope at 55 degrees without toppling. Even the front air intakes are positioned higher in the Cross so it can wade through deeper water.

A fairly capable little offroader it may be, but most Crosses will likely spend most time tootling around suburbia. And I do mean tootling. This turbo 875cc engine is a novel thing, and there are times it’s hard to believe the driving force under the snub-nosed bonnet is smaller than what’s in your average adventure bike.

I wouldn’t call it underpowered, but accessing its 66kW and 145Nm takes some skilfull work of the six-speed manual gearbox. Torque is actually quite plentiful so long as you keep revs right in their sweet spot, much like a small capacity turbodiesel. Just don’t go off searching for more power north of around 3500rpm because those two combustion chambers aren’t at all happy reciprocating at high velocity. There’s an uncomfortable rattle and shake when asked for more than just regular commuting pace

Sadly, there’s no good news on the fuel consumption front, and that’s a shame considering a reduction in drinkage is the whole point of such a dinky motor. After a week of, well tootling, our test car’s trip computer showed a disappointing 8.2 litres per 100km.

This could probably be improved, a little, with some serious effort and more use of Eco mode, but Fiat’s 4.9l/100km claim is impossible without downhills and tailwinds on every journey.

Eco mode, engaged by a button near the gear lever, numbs the throttle response to such an extent, I doubt if any owners would ever use it. It almost feels like a direct on/off switch for the turbocharger, and if you’re hunting for every cent’s worth of petrol, you’ll need the patience of a Tibetan monk to get anywhere.

On the plus side, the Panda Cross has a relatively grown up ride quality. Sure, it pitches and rolls around sharp bends, but its suspension is squishier than what you’d expect in such a light vehicle and it rolls over rough surfaces quite comfortably.

Some of this probably comes down to Fiat’s tyre choice, which is specific to the Cross in particular. The 185/65R15 Goodyear 4Seasons in use here, are often used as snow tyres in the northern hemisphere, but their beefy tread patterns should also work well on the rocky, sandy trails of South African game reserves.

VERDICT

It’s hard not to see the Panda as a novelty item. Its cutesy styling and cheeky character struggle to offset its low-rent cabin quality and unacceptably thirsty TwinAir engine. But remember, the Cross punches well above its weight in offroad ability and if terrain taming on a budget is your gig, the third cheapest 4x4 in our market will be hard to beat for the money.

FACTS

Fiat Panda 0.9 TwinAir 4x4 Cross

Engine: 875cc, 2-cylinder turbopetrol
Gearbox: 6-speed manual
Power: 66kW @ 5500rpm
Torque: 145Nm @ 1900rpm
0-100km/h (Claimed): 12.0 seconds
Top speed (Claimed): 167km/h
Ground clearance 161mm
Boot space 225 litres
Price: R379 900
Warranty: 3-year/100 000km
Service/Maintenance plan: 3-year/100 000km

https://www.iol.co.za/motoring/road-tests/tested-fiat-panda-cross-has-novelty-value-11316399

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Somehow I reckon, if I was in the market for this type of car, that I'd take the Fiat over the Ignis. Not sure if they even compete tbh.
 
Fiat Panda 0.9 TwinAir Lounge (2017) Quick Review

Facts & Figures

Price: R199 900 (December 2017)
Engine: 0.9-litre turbo petrol two-cylinder
Power/Torque: 63 kW / 145 Nm
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Fuel consumption: 4.2 L/100 km (claimed)
0-100 kph: 11.2 secs
Top speed: 177 kph
Boot capacity: 225-870 litres

Price and warranty

The Fiat Panda range starts from R184 900, with this Lounge model featuring more standard features, coming in at R199 900. Fiat's new Panda range comes with a 3-year/100 000 km warranty and 3-year/100 000 service plan.

Verdict

The Fiat Panda has always been a heart-over-head purchasing proposition and this latest incarnation of the Italian city-car proves no exception. It's brilliant in the confines of a city, where it scampers through traffic and is a joy to park. However, the engine's disappointing fuel economy and top-end coarseness and the cheap-and-cheerful interior are drawbacks. Overall it is a charming little car brimming with personality. There are some fun touches, like the door panels which are covered with tiny letters, all spelling out the word: "Panda". .

However, it's difficult to recommend the (admittedly well-specced) Panda over the cheaper and cleverly packaged Suzuki Ignis, or the spacious Renault Sandero Stepway. Those who do take the plunge will be rewarded with an easy-to-use city slicker that's backed up by a strong warranty and service plan. Sadly, it might be too little, too late for Fiat's plucky hatchback.

https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/fiat-panda-09-twinair-lounge-2017-quick-review/44374/

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5 Slowest-Accelerating Vehicles CAR Tested In 2017

At CAR magazine, we take every new vehicle we feature to our test strip to gather data for our in-depth road tests. Sometimes, we see some pretty underwhelming results. Below we have listed the worst 0-100 km/h times we’ve collected over the past 12 months. Yes, these are the slowest-accelerating cars from the pool of 99 vehicles we tested in 2017…

5. Nissan NP200 1,5 dCi ICE: 14,44 seconds (claimed n/a)

The Nissan NP200 has been around for a relative age, so we didn’t expect it to achieve record-breaking times. With its 1,5-litre four-cylinder turbodiesel engine, the NP200 ICE churns out an honest 63 kW and 200 N.m.

4. Renault Sandero Stepway 66 kW Turbo Dynamique: 14,68 seconds (claimed 11,1 seconds)

For a car that Renault boasts uses an engine with “F1 technology”, the Sandero Stepway disappoints in the sprinting stakes. Its 898 cc turbo-triple engine provides it with 66 kW, but takes almost 15 seconds to hit 100 km/h … and that makes it slower than its naturally aspirated forebear.

3. Volkswagen Cross Up! 1,0: 14,86 seconds (claimed 13,5 seconds)

The Cross Up! is a promising budget offering with a surprisingly dynamic chassis. But don’t expect to get big results out of that 55 kW 1,0-litre three-cylinder engine…

2. Fiat Panda 0,9 TwinAir Cross 4×4: 15,1 seconds (claimed 11,2 seconds)

The 875 cc two-cylinder configuration found under the Panda’s bonnet has its strong points, but it looks like speed isn’t one of them. With 63 kW on tap, the little crossover is able to hit 100 km/h in just over 15 seconds.

1. Mahindra TUV300 1,5 CRDE T8: 16,89 seconds (claimed – n/a)

The Indian manufacturer’s tank-inspired SUV truly is an honest offering … and that 1,5-litre turbodiesel three-cylinder sending 74 kW to the rear struggles to get it up to speed. Its blocky shape probably doesn’t help its cause either.

http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/5-slowest-accelerating-vehicles-car-tested-in-2017/
 
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