Telkom - High prices used to susidise certain services in poor areas!

Doges

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In yesterdays Burger (June 3) (Financial section, not the Funnies), in an article about the ADSL price cuts the reporter mentioned that some Hellkom prices for international data lines are 3x more expensive than prices in the second most expensive country, and 400% higher than the average price (Old news, I know :D ). But here is the interesting part, in answer to this, a Telscum drone said that certain services are used to subsidise services in poorer areas! What utter CR@P! If that was truly the reason, local calls would have been dirt cheap, and profits would have been much much lower! Do they realy think that we are that stupid? These higher prices are only used to line the pockets of the "new elite", not one cent goes to the so called "people"! What a joke........
 
Doges said:
In yesterdays Burger (June 3) (Financial section, not the Funnies), in an article about the ADSL price cuts the reporter mentioned that some Hellkom prices for international data lines are 3x more expensive than prices in the second most expensive country, and 400% higher than the average price (Old news, I know :D ). But here is the interesting part, in answer to this, a Telscum drone said that certain services are used to subsidise services in poorer areas! What utter CR@P! If that was truly the reason, local calls would have been dirt cheap, and profits would have been much much lower! Do they realy think that we are that stupid? These higher prices are only used to line the pockets of the "new elite", not one cent goes to the so called "people"! What a joke........
PLease can you scan this and email it to me - info(at)realmccoy(dot)co(dot)za so that I can prepare a letter of complaint to ICASA and a letter to Telkom asking for verification of this. i want to see quantifiable proof. FFS
 
Telkom was given clear rollout targets in its license when it was issued in 1997. In the five years of the exclusivity period, Telkom was obliged to:

* Install 2,69-million new lines;
* of which 1,68-million were to be in disadvantaged areas.

2,85-million lines were installed as part of Telkom’s rollout obligations, but currently only 600 000 of them are still in use. More than 2-million new lines in disadvantaged areas have been disconnected.
Source


The Telkom Drone failed to mention this!!!!!!!!!
 
Bttb...

My point exactly!!!

If they really used their inflated dataline prices to subsidise local calls/cost of ownership to disadvantaged people, this figure would be totally different!
 
My reaction
For the urgent Attention of the Press Ombudsman

I refer you to the attached article from Die Burger (June 3 Financial section) which refers to Telkom prices for international data lines as 3x more expensive than prices in the second most expensive country, and 400% higher than the average world price . In answer to this, a Telkom spokesperson said that certain services are used to subsidise services in poorer areas.

Telkom was given clear rollout targets in its license when it was issued in 1997. In the five years of the exclusivity period, Telkom was obliged to:

* Install 2,69-million new lines;
* of which 1,68-million were to be in disadvantaged areas.

2,85-million lines were installed as part of Telkom’s rollout obligations, but currently only 600 000 of them are still in use. More than 2-million new lines in disadvantaged areas have been disconnected. Please see this link for verification of these facts http://www.solidariteit.co.za/home/mailPreview.asp?ID=184

Furthermore, there is absolutely no quantifiable proof that Telkom subsidise anyone in disadvantaged areas, in fact in the US Securities and Exchange Commission filings they refer:
"We intend to continue to reduce our fixed-line headcount over the next few years. Our ability to implement optimal employee reductions is limited by South African labor laws. In addition, legal requirements make such reductions costly. We also face pressure from labor unions in South Africa who oppose employee reductions and may encounter resistance from the Government of the Republic of South Africa if the reductions conflict with the Government's social objectives at the time. If we are unable to reduce the number of our fixed-line employees and employee expenses or if significant labor unrest results from implementation of our fixed-line employee reduction program, our ability to compete may be harmed and our net profit could decline." which is evidentiary of their unofficial policy to reduce services in unappealing areas, and
"In line with Telkom's strategy of delivering excellent service to customers at competitive prices, Telkom limited its overall tariff increases for its regulated basket to 2.2% in 2004, below Government's target inflation range of between 3% and 6%. In 2005 Telkom will increase its overall tariffs by 0.2% with international calls on average decreasing by 28% and long-distance calls by 10%. There is still a need to rebalance certain tariffs to eliminate any cross subsidisation and allow for effective competition in all areas going forward. Local peak calls will increase by 5.5% and monthly subscriptions will increase by 6.3%. Telkom is focused on offering value-for-money and we are increasingly launching bundled minute packages and calling plans such as XtraTime and Surf Anytime." which is further proof of their milking of their monopolistic hold on the public.

It is a fact that less than 10% of the population of this country can AFFORD BASIC TELEPHONY. Please see the graphs at www.hellkom.co.za for evidence of this. Furthermore, the web consumer forum www.MyADSL.co.za point out that South Africa is the only country on the planet where the trend is to reduce fixed line services. In fact, MyADSL point out that the vast majority of the population of South Africa cannot afford a fixed line service. South Africa now has less telephone lines in operation than it did five years ago. MyADSL also state that certain fixed line call charges are more expensive than any other country in the world and three times more expensive than the country that came in second place. No wonder our incumbent’s published after tax profit for 2004 was R4, 592 billion (which equates to R12, 58 million in profit per day or R145 a SECOND in net profit).

I DEMAND that Telkom verify, quantifiably, the subsidisation they refer to in this press article.

Your sincerely
 
Well that drone knows not what the hell he/she is talking about - Telkom does not offer services in poor areas/areas they think they cannot make a profit with their insane prices.

What they DO do however is disconnect the lines of the poor, and push up the price to overcharge the people who DO have lines to make up for the loss of cutting off the other people.
 
This is also reinforced by the fact that a bunch of USAL Licences have been granted to companies due to Telkomonopoly Under-Servicing-Areas [read not servicing poorer areas at all].
 
Telkom subsidize big business connections. Not the poor. They do this via Rate Stability programs and subsidized local leads onto their Frame and MPLS networks...

To clarify - if you subscribe to Telkoms Frame service, you dont pay the normal price for the local circuit into the frame cloud. You pay a heavily reduced fee. If you use, say, IS's frame service, you still have to pay the same fee as per normal leased circuit. Thats why 3rd party frame and MPLS services are battling to take off - they cannot compete at the local lead level - they are nearly twice as expensive.
Just my 2c worth...

(oh, and before anybody shouts that I am talking cr@p - I have invoices on my desk to prove it :D )
 
ScrnScrm said:
Telkom subsidize big business connections. Not the poor. They do this via Rate Stability programs and subsidized local leads onto their Frame and MPLS networks...

To clarify - if you subscribe to Telkoms Frame service, you dont pay the normal price for the local circuit into the frame cloud. You pay a heavily reduced fee. If you use, say, IS's frame service, you still have to pay the same fee as per normal leased circuit. Thats why 3rd party frame and MPLS services are battling to take off - they cannot compete at the local lead level - they are nearly twice as expensive.
Just my 2c worth...

(oh, and before anybody shouts that I am talking cr@p - I have invoices on my desk to prove it :D )

I need information like this for the address I am putting together for the Presidents Council
I intend to make representation on every single item raised in the Telkom 1997 Charter (and amendments) that has been manipulated, overlooked, forgotten, raped, pillaged and otherwise desecrated.
please ScrnScrm, keep the docos for me....
 
peapod - unfortunately i cant give you our documentation. i would get fired for that. however, telkom pricing is not hard to come by. alot of the stuff is on their webpage...
wrt the Rate stability program, i have posted elsewhere on this forum info about how it works...
pm me if you need specific info...
 
ScrnScrm said:
peapod - unfortunately i cant give you our documentation. i would get fired for that. however, telkom pricing is not hard to come by. alot of the stuff is on their webpage...
wrt the Rate stability program, i have posted elsewhere on this forum info about how it works...
pm me if you need specific info...
ta. wouldnt want to get you into trouble!
 
Doges said:
My point exactly!!!

If they really used their inflated dataline prices to subsidise local calls/cost of ownership to disadvantaged people, this figure would be totally different!

You are aware that Telkom is a Founding Sponsor of Proudly SA.
 
ScrnScrm said:
peapod - unfortunately i cant give you our documentation. i would get fired for that. however, telkom pricing is not hard to come by. alot of the stuff is on their webpage...
wrt the Rate stability program, i have posted elsewhere on this forum info about how it works...
pm me if you need specific info...
The ever powerful Google: +site:mybroadband.co.za +ScrnScrm +"Rate Stability"
 
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