Informant bust 'drug cops'

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http://www.news24.com/Content/South...779/26-10-2009-03-39/Informant_bust_drug_cops
"He no longer works with police... he said he wants nothing to do with the [SA] Police Services because it is corrupt," said Sibeko.

He was testifying in a case against three senior West Rand officers accused of seizing drugs trafficked into the country and selling them to drug lords.
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But did no one tell the Informant that corruption is the african way and we can do nothing about it just accept it:confused::rolleyes:
 
Is Europe and the USA suffering really badly compared to Africa due to the corruption?

You are correct but it is a different type over on the african continent, corruption is one thing if you are at least running a decent country and things are going well but go look at the corrupt greedy African leaders and ask yourself how are their countries doing?

NOT WELL.
 
killadoob said:
Is Europe and the USA suffering really badly compared to Africa due to the corruption?

You are correct but it is a different type over on the african continent, corruption is one thing if you are at least running a decent country and things are going well but go look at the corrupt greedy African leaders and ask yourself how are their countries doing?

NOT WELL.
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I think people in the USA and Europe would disagree that corruption is somehow OK. And if you think things are going well in USA you've had your head in the sand. The corruption there is on a scale never even heard of in africa. Africans are amateurs when it comes to the corruption game, which is why it's totally incorrect, not to mention irritating, when people say it's the african way.
 
joelus said:
I think people in the USA and Europe would disagree that corruption is somehow OK. And if you think things are going well in USA you've had your head in the sand. The corruption there is on a scale never even heard of in africa. Africans are amateurs when it comes to the corruption game, which is why it's totally incorrect, not to mention irritating, when people say it's the african way.
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Evidence?
 
joelus said:
I think people in the USA and Europe would disagree that corruption is somehow OK. And if you think things are going well in USA you've had your head in the sand. The corruption there is on a scale never even heard of in africa. Africans are amateurs when it comes to the corruption game, which is why it's totally incorrect, not to mention irritating, when people say it's the african way.
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Proof?

People in AFRICA are suffering a lot more than those in the Europe/USA. You can't even compare them.

Corruption is responsible for A LOT of suffering on this continent. The continent rely on donations and money borrowed from other countries. Instead this continent could have been better of if they used that borrowed money to improve the continent.

Just look at the latest Landbank scandal or ask yourself why so many charities don't want to give charity money directly to African governments. If you are thinking racism, you are wrong.
 
Syndyre said:
Evidence?
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In France, for example, Jacques Chirac has been named in several cases of alleged corruption and abuse, some of which have already led to felony convictions. Chirac, as a president of France, enjoys virtual immunity from prosecution for acts preceding his tenure as president following from a decision of the Constitutional Council on 22 January 1999.

This decision itself was highly controversial: the council was consulted on the treaty establishing the International Criminal Court, not about the status of the president with respect to the national criminal justice system. At the time, the president of the council was Roland Dumas, who later had to retire from his functions because of his implication in the Elf Aquitaine scandal. [1]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_scandals_in_the_Paris_region
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4641372.stm

How about this one:

Thursday, February 12, 2009 -
Halliburton and Kellogg Brown & Root have agreed to pay $579 million in fines related to allegations of foreign bribery, the biggest fines ever paid by U.S. companies in a foreign corruption case, federal authorities and the companies said yesterday.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/11/AR2009021103400.html

A report by the Congressional Research Service undermines Vice President Dick Cheney's denial of a continuing relationship with Halliburton Co., the energy company he once led, Sen. Frank Lautenberg said Thursday.
The report says a public official's unexercised stock options and deferred salary fall within the definition of "retained ties" to his former company."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/politics/main575356.shtml

I could find many more examples if I had the time.
You can look through some of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_sleaze_(UK_politics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangentopoli
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_political_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff_Indian_lobbying_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bid_Rig
etc, etc, etc
 
joelus said:
In France, for example, Jacques Chirac has been named in several cases of alleged corruption and abuse, some of which have already led to felony convictions. Chirac, as a president of France, enjoys virtual immunity from prosecution for acts preceding his tenure as president following from a decision of the Constitutional Council on 22 January 1999.
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I never denied there was corruption in France, the US or anywhere else. Your point was regarding the magnitude of this corruption relative to Africa which you haven't proven yet.
 
DigitalSoldier said:
Proof?

People in AFRICA are suffering a lot more than those in the Europe/USA. You can't even compare them.

Corruption is responsible for A LOT of suffering on this continent. The continent rely on donations and money borrowed from other countries. Instead this continent could have been better of if they used that borrowed money to improve the continent.

Just look at the latest Landbank scandal or ask yourself why so many charities don't want to give charity money directly to African governments. If you are thinking racism, you are wrong.
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My point was that corruption is not an african thing, like no one else in the world is corrupt. When people say corruption is the african way it implies it is unique to africa, which it's not. And while africans may suffer more from corruption than people in canada or 'great 'britain, people in china, india, south america and eastern europe suffer just as much due to corruption. Go google corruption in russia for example. There is nothing 'african' about corruption
 
joelus said:
My point was that corruption is not an african thing, like no one else in the world is corrupt. When people say corruption is the african way it implies it is unique to africa, which it's not. And while africans may suffer more from corruption than people in canada or 'great 'britain, people in china, india, south america and eastern europe suffer just as much due to corruption. Go google corruption in russia for example. There is nothing 'african' about corruption
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No your point was that:

joelus said:
I think people in the USA and Europe would disagree that corruption is somehow OK. And if you think things are going well in USA you've had your head in the sand. The corruption there is on a scale never even heard of in africa. Africans are amateurs when it comes to the corruption game, which is why it's totally incorrect, not to mention irritating, when people say it's the african way.
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Which you still haven't proven or backed up.
 
Syndyre said:
I never denied there was corruption in France, the US or anywhere else. Your point was regarding the magnitude of this corruption relative to Africa which you haven't proven yet.
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You don't think that one single scandal in USA which resulted in Halliburton and Kellogg Brown & Root having to pay $579 million in fines shows magnitude? One scandal. $579 million in fines. that's just the fines!

You think Zuma did well with R4million or whatever it was? Read that last sentence again...
 
Syndyre said:
No your point was that:



Which you still haven't proven or backed up.
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No Syndyre, my original post/point was in response to Mila saying corruption is the african way. It isn't. And just bear in mind that for every african receiving a bribe there is a non-african paying it. Corruption is never a one way street.
 
Perhaps their law enforcement services are that good that they find all that corruption!

If our police services were good, they would also find more!

You obviously never heard of Mobutu Sesiseko, have you?
:rolleyes:
 
DigitalSoldier said:
Proof?

People in AFRICA are suffering a lot more than those in the Europe/USA. You can't even compare them.

Corruption is responsible for A LOT of suffering on this continent. The continent rely on donations and money borrowed from other countries. Instead this continent could have been better of if they used that borrowed money to improve the continent.

Just look at the latest Landbank scandal or ask yourself why so many charities don't want to give charity money directly to African governments. If you are thinking racism, you are wrong.
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On January 3, 2006, Abramoff pled guilty to three felony counts — conspiracy, fraud, and tax evasion — involving charges stemming principally from his lobbying activities in Washington on behalf of Native American tribes. In addition, Abramoff and other defendants must make restitution of at least $25 million that was defrauded from clients, most notably the Native American tribes. Further, Abramoff owes the Internal Revenue Service $1.7 million as a result of his guilty plea to the tax evasion charge
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You don't think the Native American tribes suffered from Abramoff's corruption?
 
joelus said:
You don't think that one single scandal in USA which resulted in Halliburton and Kellogg Brown & Root having to pay $579 million in fines shows magnitude? One scandal. $579 million in fines. that's just the fines!

You think Zuma did well with R4million or whatever it was? Read that last sentence again...
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It definitely does, but corruption's probably more likely to be investigated in the US than in most African countries. Its one of those things that's hard to prove absolutely either way but I don't think anyone would deny its a massive problem in Africa as a whole.

joelus said:
No Syndyre, my original post/point was in response to Mila saying corruption is the african way. It isn't. And just bear in mind that for every african receiving a bribe there is a non-african paying it. Corruption is never a one way street.
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Fair enough. Its not but its arguably worse for those accepting the bribes or rather who they represent than the company paying the bribes, not that it makes it moral or right.
 
iDenTiTy said:
Perhaps their law enforcement services are that good that they find all that corruption!

If our police services were good, they would also find more!

You obviously never heard of Mobutu Sesiseko, have you?
:rolleyes:
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Oh please, that is the tip of the ice berg. And if you look at the example of France: Chirac, as president of France (until 16 May 2007), enjoyed virtual immunity from prosecution for acts preceding his tenure as president, following from decision 98-408 DC[1] of the Constitutional Council on 22 January 1999.[2] This decision itself was highly controversial: the council was consulted on the treaty establishing the International Criminal Court, not about the status of the president with respect to the national criminal justice system. At the time, the president of the council was Roland Dumas, who later had to retire from his functions because of his implication in the Elf Aquitaine scandal.[3]
Can you imagine the outcry here if Zuma suddenly claimed that because he is president he is immune from prosecution?
 
Hello, all you Yankee and Euro corruption nay-sayers:

Have you heard of a place called Iraq?

Wake up and smell the oil!
 
joelus said:
Why do you say corruption is the african way? As far as I can tell it happens all over the world and to a much larger degree in Europe and USA than in Africa:confused:
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Sorry!! When I read this i just remember Isede saying we should deal with it. We can not get rid of corruption it's the african way:o

It was in no way meant as a generalization. I was waiting for the troll to tell us this is the way and we have to deal with it.

Sorry I can not find the posts just after that I put him on my Ignore list. It was in the thread about the DA watching for corruption...I'll go have a look.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=196315

Somewhere in ther he said it and on several other occations.
 
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