Afrihost Uncapped ADSL Feedback (Pt2)

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And Yes, Afrihost has always been as transparent as possible with their clients, so no need to argue that either
 
Zertop said:
Why are we even arguing about this? Come on people...

Shaping: The process of manipulating, managing or controlling (shaping) portions of a network connection to the outside world and determining an allowed bandwidth consumption based on types of activities.

Throttling: The intentional slowing of internet service by an internet service provider to even out the usage of the total bandwidth supplied across all users on the network, with no prioritisation or distinguishing between activities.

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Please quote the source
 
sparke said:
Please quote the source
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Bandwidth throttling is the intentional slowing of internet service by an internet service provider. It is a reactive measure employed in communication networks in an apparent attempt to regulate network traffic and minimize bandwidth congestion. Bandwidth throttling can occur at different locations on the network. On a local area network (LAN), a sysadmin may employ bandwidth throttling to help limit network congestion and server crashes. On a broader level, the internet service provider may use bandwidth throttling to help reduce a user's usage of bandwidth that is supplied to the local network.
Throttling can be used to actively limit a user's upload and download rates on programs such as video streaming, BitTorrent protocols and other file sharing applications, as well as even out the usage of the total bandwidth supplied across all users on the network. Bandwidth throttling is also often used in Internet applications, in order to spread a load over a wider network to reduce local network congestion, or over a number of servers to avoid overloading individual ones, and so reduce their risk of crashing, and gain additional revenue by compelling users on to more expensive pricing schemes where bandwidth is not throttled.
 
sparke said:
Bandwidth throttling is the intentional slowing of internet service by an internet service provider. It is a reactive measure employed in communication networks in an apparent attempt to regulate network traffic and minimize bandwidth congestion. Bandwidth throttling can occur at different locations on the network. On a local area network (LAN), a sysadmin may employ bandwidth throttling to help limit network congestion and server crashes. On a broader level, the internet service provider may use bandwidth throttling to help reduce a user's usage of bandwidth that is supplied to the local network.
Throttling can be used to actively limit a user's upload and download rates on programs such as video streaming, BitTorrent protocols and other file sharing applications, as well as even out the usage of the total bandwidth supplied across all users on the network. Bandwidth throttling is also often used in Internet applications, in order to spread a load over a wider network to reduce local network congestion, or over a number of servers to avoid overloading individual ones, and so reduce their risk of crashing, and gain additional revenue by compelling users on to more expensive pricing schemes where bandwidth is not throttled.
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I forgot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth_throttling
 
CheeseThief said:
This is not strictly relevant to the throttling vs shaping debate, but just to let you know that you can go to an iStore and they'll pop Mavericks onto a USB drive for you. That will save you 5gbs of data at least ;)
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Great tip. I also notice that Windows and Mac users are very different in their habits. Most Windows users will download an update, burn a dvd and then use it on their machines. Mac users will run updates on all their machines.

This is a gross generalisation, but I've seen it a few times and thought it was odd. :(
 
Zertop said:
Why are we even arguing about this? Come on people...

Shaping: The process of manipulating, managing or controlling (shaping) portions of a network connection to the outside world and determining an allowed bandwidth consumption based on types of activities.

Throttling: The intentional slowing of internet service by an internet service provider to even out the usage of the total bandwidth supplied across all users on the network, with no prioritisation or distinguishing between activities.

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Makes sense to me :)
 
AfriMan said:
Great tip. I also notice that Windows and Mac users are very different in their habits. Most Windows users will download an update, burn a dvd and then use it on their machines. Mac users will run updates on all their machines.

This is a gross generalisation, but I've seen it a few times and thought it was odd. :(
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I would say typical but then again it is easier pulling updates from repositories in linux therefore easier on each machine, then again the updates are tiny usually
 
new_in_za2 said:
Because people like you are still getting it wrong, partly in thanks to Afrihost's marketing efforts.
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Like I said, semantics are not really helping anyone here, and this debate is older than our network. If there any practical difference between what we say and what you think we're saying, can we focus on that? :)
 
AfriMan said:
Whether you want to call it shaping, evolution or [insert word here] I do think we've been very clear and transparent about how we do things. I don't think there's anything to be gained from semantics.
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If you really wanted to be clear and transparent about it, you'd call your products "Youtube access" and not "internet access". As it is now, your throttling policy means that you will stop me from getting work done because my neighbour wants to watch a video of a cat on Youtube.
 
Speak to Afrihost directly or start a topic somewhere else. Does not belong in this thread.
 
Sparke, Zertop won't quote any source, because the source for his make-himself-feel-good message was his lower rear.
 
Zertop said:
Yea, my understanding (and yes new_in_za2, before, and I quote "Afrihost's Marketing") that throttling is the general slowdown of a connection, while shaping is the slowdown of certain protocols

If I'm wrong, okay cool, if not, great, but either way, can we leave the topic alone now...
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Well, you asked why we were still discussing this, and then injected your ignorance into the thread as it if were fact. The reason why we're still discussing this is because you, and other people like, feel like doing like you do. Stop doing what you do and this discussion will die down.
 
Zertop said:
Yea, my understanding (and yes new_in_za2, before, and I quote "Afrihost's Marketing") that throttling is the general slowdown of a connection, while shaping is the slowdown of certain protocols

If I'm wrong, okay cool, if not, great, but either way, can we leave the topic alone now...
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Then please relook, throttling can be profile specific as well and has no basis on usage
 
sparke said:
Bandwidth throttling is the intentional slowing of internet service by an internet service provider. It is a reactive measure employed in communication networks in an apparent attempt to regulate network traffic and minimize bandwidth congestion. Bandwidth throttling can occur at different locations on the network. On a local area network (LAN), a sysadmin may employ bandwidth throttling to help limit network congestion and server crashes. On a broader level, the internet service provider may use bandwidth throttling to help reduce a user's usage of bandwidth that is supplied to the local network.
Throttling can be used to actively limit a user's upload and download rates on programs such as video streaming, BitTorrent protocols and other file sharing applications, as well as even out the usage of the total bandwidth supplied across all users on the network. Bandwidth throttling is also often used in Internet applications, in order to spread a load over a wider network to reduce local network congestion, or over a number of servers to avoid overloading individual ones, and so reduce their risk of crashing, and gain additional revenue by compelling users on to more expensive pricing schemes where bandwidth is not throttled.
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Again, I really don't think this is very helpful. This is like the two towns in the Dr Seuss book who fight over whether bread is buttered on the top or the bottom.

We're not disagreeing on the functional or practical aspects of how we manage Uncapped traffic, so what does it really matter whether we use one word or another. I think it's been pretty much established that either is acceptable depending on the context. In the South African context, throttling is throttling your line - on everything. I think it makes sense that we don't want our clients to be confused.

I think it's safe to move on now :(
 
sparke said:
Bandwidth throttling is the intentional slowing of internet service by an internet service provider. It is a reactive measure employed in communication networks in an apparent attempt to regulate network traffic and minimize bandwidth congestion. Bandwidth throttling can occur at different locations on the network. On a local area network (LAN), a sysadmin may employ bandwidth throttling to help limit network congestion and server crashes. On a broader level, the internet service provider may use bandwidth throttling to help reduce a user's usage of bandwidth that is supplied to the local network.
Throttling can be used to actively limit a user's upload and download rates on programs such as video streaming, BitTorrent protocols and other file sharing applications, as well as even out the usage of the total bandwidth supplied across all users on the network. Bandwidth throttling is also often used in Internet applications, in order to spread a load over a wider network to reduce local network congestion, or over a number of servers to avoid overloading individual ones, and so reduce their risk of crashing, and gain additional revenue by compelling users on to more expensive pricing schemes where bandwidth is not throttled.
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Why are you arguing about this? It's not like your quotes, opinions and facts are gonna change the way Afrihost do things on their network. Why don't we just use this thread to do what the title says: Feedback, and not a What-I-think-you're-doing-wrong thread
 
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